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By Stevie Smith Jul 3, 2007, 13:32 GMT
Google blogger slams Michael Moore’s Sicko
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It took a while to wade trough the eight pages of comments ,most of the attacks against Moore were of course predictable ,no need to spend any time on that .Just a little comment however :somebody ventured that europeans are for 80 precent dissatisfied with their health system .That is just a blatant lie of course ,typical neocon spin .THose people that take interest here in Europe in learning how other systems function would not be satisfied with the american system .Dare I say it,not 1 percent of the people here prefer american healthcare .
My guess is this debate should be over and done with .Register as voters and do your duty,all those of you that think that healthcare is necessary for all ,vote for those that defend a socialised health care and get rid of conservatives and neocons .Oh yeah make those rich guys pay for the poor .That is democracy in real life. Dont waste time arguing with them,egoists are immune to solidarity.
I am tired of the ignorance of so many.
Drug prices.. everyone rails about drug prices and yet no one stops to think what would happen if rich America stopped paying the high drug prices and instead got the discounts that Canada gets..
well' lets see.. maybe a bit less breakthroughs?
less money to run trials for 10 years to satisfy the poorly managed FDA?
oh, no I'm sorry, I forgot all the money goes into a bunch of white guys pockets.. drugs dont neeed to be researched, developed or tested.
silly me.
Silly you indeed,you forgot to mention poor americans also pay high prices for medication,just like everybody else.
I haven't seen the movie yet. However I have wondered since I was young why our health care system focuses almost entirely on symptoms. I finally realized it when a friend was put on blood pressure medication. Of course his blood pressure went down when he started taking the medication. He thought it was better and so he stopped taking the medication and the blood pressure went back to where it was originally. The blood pressure medication was not developed to fix the problem it was developed to be a life time prescription. As many have mentioned 'follow the money'. Which makes more money? a. fixing the problem, or b. lifetime prescriptions?
If cancer, diabetes, and heart disease were cured overnight then a billion dollar industry would be destroyed. Do you think the corporations that own the pharmaceuticals really want that to be bankrupted? This happened when Polio was cured. So now if a cure is found what do you think is going to happen? It will be discredited, ridiculed, branded as ineffective, corporate lobbying with the FDA will get it banned. Still don't believe me? If our medical system is so advanced then where are all the cures? Watching the news a while back I heard that Cancer will be manageable in the next 10-20 years. In other words they will have a drug that has to be taken for the rest of your life. What happened to searching for the cure?
I don't know the solution to the health care costs? However I do know one of the problems. I believe there is a disconnect between the actual cost of the health care. This disconnect has been made possible by the insurance companies. If all Americans had to pay the current health care prices then there be only a few that could do it and the market would be forced to adjust. Did you know that some pills cost more than $1,000 for one pill. My wifes grandfather took pills to fight the cancer prescribed by the Doctor each pill cost of $1,000. Without insurance companies how long would the market support that price? Now I hear that politician's solution to health care costs could be mandatory health insurance for everyone. I bet insurance companies would love this it means even more profit for them. Quite a sweet spot for them to have their service become mandatory. I shudder at the thought because the original thing that enabled the prices to get out of control is the very same thing that the politicians are claiming will fix the problem.
You've been told to think America has the best health care system in the world. Do you still believe it now?
Hey Kill Yourself. You are really a piece of work. The beauty of this is that nobody really gives a rats @#$% what you think or about your little business (wow a half a million) You are so full of crap you believe your own bull #$$%. Maybe it was all those needles you stuck in your arm! I must return to my bubble now and enjoy my luxurious spot in the burbs. You probably employ a bunch of illegals too, don't you. Are you a flag burner too? Wacko!
'Get a Life!' your posting is full of nothing. No logic, No facts, at least attempt something constructive!
news flash .
the only person who doesn't hate bush is bush himself.
well maybe his sickning smileing wife
That's the point Mark! You actually get it. Nobody ever looks at the facts. They just listen to all this garbage people regurgitate after hearing it from the Michael Moore's of the world or some other attention hungry idiot. That's why I wasted my time arguing with one of those idiots (Kill Himself). If more people would actually do their own research (really search out the facts on both sides)this country would be much better off. I get so tired of hearing people just repeat what they hear on CNN, The Today Show, MSNBC or Fox News and fight as though it is the undisputed truth. The bottom line is that people lie and twist the truth for theri own agendas all the time but the facts are attainable and paint the true story. I was just waiting for someone like yourself to speak up. Thanks for helping me make my point.
It's more than obvious to any person having intelligence that Michael Moore is pandering to a purely political line of reasoning. The presidential race is heating up. It's just propaganda. Most people I've talked to don't believe that Michael Moor is a credible source of information about anything, let alone health care. What made him an expert? He's clearly inventing his own reality, selling it, and making money from it.
Hey folks. Wake up. Michael Moore is making a profit from this movie. Huh? Or are you that naive?
We lived in London for 3 years and just returned to the U.S. We had two young children and became quite familiar with the NHS system.
The British will in one breath passioantely defend the NHS as the greatest product of British civilazation, and then proceed to complain about the wait lists, out-dated facilities, lack of choice, and the fact that all of the really good doctors are only available to the rich. Health care was a daily topic on nearly every news outlet.
If you are young or have children, it is a great system - no forms to fillout, no insurance companies to argue with, and a consistently dedicated and compasionate staff. You don't even need to show identification.
But if want access to the type of specialists we take for granted in the U.S. (You want to see a pediatric urologist? Sorry, we only have a pediatrician. And you can see him in three weeks. And if you are late for your appointment, you will have to wait another three weeks.)
And if you are over 50, you start to see the hard cold facts of how rationed health care works.
In the U.S. we ration access to the healthcare according to your ability to pay. In the UK, they ration health care with time. That's the trade off - money for time. And the older you are, the longer you wait.
Don't take my word for it - ask the next brit you meet - they will all have a tragic story to tell about an elderly uncle or parent who died while waiting for traatment.
I'll take the U.S. system any day.
Making $500k/yr. blowing AIDS infested meth heads does not constitute a business!!!
'Interestingly, the ratio of people here posting (usually) emotional diatribes about how evil a 'propagandist' Michael Moore is to supporters is about the same ratio as people who still support the current administration to the rest of the country that's awakened to what a raw deal we've been dealt - about 20%. I guess once you drink enough neo-con kool-aid you can't see the light, except to scurry from it like a six-legged pest.'
Try to get a comment in around a michael moore fan club.
Well....this is not an issue that should pitch right-wing fanatics against the left-wing illiterates. We receive good health care in the country. If anyone disagrees, please consider moving to France or Germany. The overall quality of life is very good in the US.
Hmmm.....why is the right wing richer than the left wing as many claim in this webpage? answer: because the left wing illiterates sit in front of a computer cheetos in hand and watching paris hilton videos. Get up, work and have a life. :-)
It's easy to compare health care apples to apples by simply looking around and turning over a few rocks for yourself. Start by asking yourself these questions:
* Why does the US spend 16% of its GDP, yet fails to cover over 50 million of its citizens? Why are millions of others only partially covered and only one accident away from financial disaster?
* How can Canada cover ALL its citizens for 9.7% of its GDP? Switzerland for 10.9%? Germany for 10.7%? France for 9.5% (France is widely recognized as having the BEST health care for its citizens on the entire planet.)
* Why are US citizens PROHIBITED by LAW from buying cheaper, name brand pharmaceuticals for other countries?
Answer: Easy. Our present form of government is 'Corporatism' and only one small step removed for outright Fascism. Corporations easily buy politicians and administrations (of either party) and bend them to their will in the name of more profits. Citizen rights and needs come far behind corporate interests in our country.
They happily provide you with copious propaganda to stay in control. Amazingly, they find plenty of sheep to support them as well.
Take some initiative to check things out for your self. You could start by checking statistics from the National Coalition On Healthcare.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
Shame on Google!! It shouldn't bash unless it has a better idea of how to fix the healthcare problem. At least someone is saying something about it. I don't think google want to googlize the healthcare industry. They would have to be evil to make a buck.
Wheather you agree wiyh Moore or not its painfully obviouse that health care is a joke. Its a all or nothing system,either you can afford full coverage or your eligable for welfare,medicade whatever, the working class is and has been raped by the system.
Who knows whatever happened to the Hippocritic oath? I can assure all those nay sayers that although some cases may seem extreme and may not be neccessary the norm they are all too frequent,must we wait for the bottem to drop? It seems as though the ins cos. and hmos. are just testing the waters to see just how far they can go. I speak from personnel experience.
Dollars? Its about dollars I hear. Well here is one plain fact no one appears to see,.....its far more profitable to treat the symtoms then it is to
delvelope a cure!!! Especially at 300 dollars per script!!
nuf said
I'm tired of you America hating people - if the government and health care and everything else sucks so much - please move out of the country.
While I'm not a huge fan of Moore's because he tends to bend facts to make his case, Turner and Google clearly have a financial interest in defending the medical profession and insurance against Moore's claims.
The truth is: medicine, drugs and insurance are money-making operations that do not have the best interest of the patients at heart. They never will. Modern medicine has more to do with drug pushers and loan sharks than it has to do with caring for the ill.
Al Sullivan
Senior staff writer
Hudson Reporter
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