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By Stevie Smith Jul 3, 2007, 13:32 GMT
Google blogger slams Michael Moore’s Sicko
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I saw the movie Sicko, and I'm really not all that shocked at all. My mother came down with a very bad illness and she was in a coma for about a month. The doctors wanted to pull the plug, because we were uninsured at the time. We did not let that happen. She is with us today but we had to claim bankruptcy and we lost our house. Its good to know that not only does the medical industry not want to spend money on its patients, it also wants to suck their families dry with quarter-of-a-million dollar costs. Fair? You be the judge.
I can speak for 1st hand experience what Moore says happens is true. My Wife a tri athlete, live long non smoker age 40 was hoarse for a month she went to the doc a 'bug”. He when referred her to an Ear nose and throat guy. 2 months for appt. Stomach reflux 1-month treatment 3 months have passed. She goes back to the ENT he orders a cat scan - Lung Ca. They insurance company does not have any oncologists ' on the plan' that were closer that 500 miles. Lots of back and forth bickering with insurance company. They send her finally to one, 6 months have passed. She tells her she is going to die and to 'smell the tulips'. At this point she has a 104 temp and she is 'puzzled'. I say hell with it and infectious disease docs is in the doc park and sit in the office and beg for him to see her and pay in cash. She has an anaerobic infection in her upper lobe. She stays in the hospital 3 days (not approved first) I pay. The 'oncologist' was not board certified (I checked) the Insurance company claimed she was (A lie) and asked the doc and the insurance company to provide proof. She was not certified. She had started training in another country and never even finished more than 6 months into the residency. I went to the state and complained about the insurance company. They provided a real board certified doc that gave her Chemo and she had surgery. But this was almost a year later cancer was all over and she died at month 14. I owed over 600,000 dollars for 'not approved' treatment (PET Scans (experimental) drugs (not approved for Lung Ca) I was left with 3 kids in elementary school and a dead wife and had to refi the house to pay the bill. 6 years later I develop neuro condition and have Seizures, Parkinson symptoms and I go on disability. Same old 'no need for scan ' stuff. Won’t let me see a neurologist only my primary that thinks it maybe be 'depression'. After a year of now on long term disability it is terminated due to it is a Psychological conditions. I had been paying Cobra (I lost my job of course then I could not come back) and both a out of pocket Neurologist (Yes something is wrong, but we need to do tests to find out what (denied as I am depressed) Psychiatrist said I may have some minor depression, but the symptoms did not fit, and I was a neurological case for sure. Now 2 years later, I have had to file bankruptcy last year, I am on SSI disability, I have a Neurological disease called Picks and Parkinson’s and I am not depressed. But I am broke, destroyed and have less than 5 years to live I am told. She exscuse grammar errors, MY brain is not too good these days. By the way, my wife had an MS degree and I have 2 BS degrees as well as an MBA, and we were living the dream making lots of money, and all the toys. Now I go to the food bank, live in a small apt and ride the bus ( I cant drive)
to = Moore is Right
oh my lord you have goan through hell. sorry to hear about your loss and your illness. god works in mysteriouse ways and in your case it sounds like a mistake not a mystery. you will be in my prayers.
Speling is wunderfool
You capatilists kill me. You completley miss the point. would you have to make sacrafice? yes...why again would the health care system go down if we made it public. because you say it would? and anyways WE are the ones curbing new medicines..EG.. stem cells. So we are not going to be on top for too much longer. i would love to pay more taxes to help my fellow country men out and i am by no means rich. When ever there is a will to do something it gets done. just because something is run by the government doesnt mean it is going to be in shambles. eg.. schools in the burbs vs schools in the city. which one has the money and will and which one doesnt. which one works and which one doesnt. This country already has enough money it just has its priority's backwards. If one of your neiborhood buddys was going to have to lose his two front teeth because he couldnt afford to pay 3500 dollars out of his pocket to fix it.. would you help or would you rather watch your bank account grow? i have no use for money in a bank and would rather see a pier have a chance of life. i am no christian either.. go figure.... oh and to the guy with problably the worst life i have ever heard.. my advice... screw waiting 5 years to die. get on a small airplane fly as high as you can and jump with no shute...man that would be fun.
Bwhahhaha Google can do w/e they want haha I love it
Pity 'kill yourself' has obviously had such a bad life that he/she is so bitter and hateful towards fellow humans. To state it as simply as possible: when it costs pennies or less to produce a single pill, package it, then pay the workers for their time, why is that pill being sold to the public for $4.00 each? When a doctor gets $300.00 for 15 minutes of his/her time, or a nurse gets $150.00 for drawing a vial of your blood, why are they saying they're not making enough money? And when a child is getting ready to die because his abscessed tooth is spreading the infection into his brain (happened just recently-the child is now dead), why are so many bitter people unwilling to let the government cap these outrageous costs? I'm not saying that the government needs to be in control of our healthcare, on the contrary, but they DO need to stop this inhuman price gouging and greed that's leaving poor/laid off from work/elderly/etc in fear for their lives.
Bad grammar.
It's amazing to read all of the whining about who didn't do this for you or who didn't pay to have this or that done for you. You wonder how our predecesors ever survived without all of handouts of the current 'it's all about me' world we live in. I went to school, studied hard, went to college (worked during the day, school at night - it took 10 years but I paid for it myself) received my degree, got a job, worked hard, got promoted, kept working hard etc... You get the picture. I'm just an average God fearing middle class individual with a wife, daughter and a dog. I don't look for any handouts in life and I sure as $%@&! don't expect the govenment to provide for me. I save 30 cents of every dollar I make and don't live beyond my means. Left or Right, most are self centered politicians with a false since of worth. Having been forced to work with lobbyists, senators and congressman on occasion, it really opened my eyes to the 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' world they live in up there. It's pure politics, nothing more, nothing less. Whatever it takes to keep their jobs. So, with that in mind, quit whining! Get a job; work hard; treat others with respect; DON'T live above your means; save for your own retirement; quit depending on others to solve your problems. (They are more than likely problems you created yourself anyway) The generation living in the 'old days', as they are called, did have a few good things going for them. They made their own money, had their own babies, raised their own kids, saved for their own retirement and certainly didn't whine like today's generation. Move to Mexico, Poland, Canada or wherever you think it's better. Please!
After reading this 'blog' I am wondering where this girl has been keeping her head lately. Of course, from the tone and syntax of this piece, it is evident that it was written by a high school student (or junior college drop-out). It has all the earmarks of a 'parrot piece', as if she is reflecting something her (Moore-hating) parents told her, or something she researched through an industry propaganda site. So, on one hand, I'd like to just pat her on the head and say 'nice try, little girl': but on the other, I think that It is an adult's responsibility to tutor youth and guide them toward the acquisition of knowledge and experience. This girl is apparently young and she probably has had little experience dealing with the health industry from the point of view of a consumer.
With reguard to Michael Moore's piece (Sicko), the relevant issue is not at all as she supposes. Whether one approves of Moore's work or opinions is not the matter in question. One issue he has brought forth is that our nation has allowed profit and the interests of the health industry to be put ahead of the health and well-being of its citizens.
Anyone who has had to deal with insurers who refuse to issue authorizations or to cover services the insured need and are entitled to, or anyone who has had a doctor who changes patient prescriptions according to which drug manufacturer's rep took him out to lunch this week, knows where the true focus lies. Those 'stories' are not the singular occurrences you've been misled to believe, honey. They're happening every day to people all over this country. Don't you see the irony in the fact everyone in the 'health industry' seems to be raking in profits hand over fist, yet our coverage (for those of us lucky enough to have it), is constantly under the threat of downward revision? Yet, 21 year old people with NO MEDICAL DEGREE, make 6-figure incomes as Pharmaceutical Reps; hawking these drugs to doctors and offering them incentives to prescribe them. That doesn't sound like the patient's well-being comes first to me! New = more expensive, but not necessairily more effective. At the risk of being trite, i'm saying that we should put the 'care' back in Healthcare! Without it., healthcare is just another scam
And Lauren, it was a good effort. Next time, you might try to identify the facts about a situation before you spout off other people's ideas or opinions in your 'blog'.
I was unable to decode the first paragraph, since it is entirely one sentence. Get literate.
MMs movie is right-on
Hey get a life...my advice would be to quit fearing the god that isnt there so you can remove yourself from the bubble you live in and move youself into the real world. my city has a 50 percent droppout rate. do you think that is a problem those kids created by themselves, or do you think it is from the lack of motivation and moral value going into it after the 'great white flight' to the outskirts? Would you hire a droppout that couldnt read to blow all of those politicians with you? Maybe if he was toothless huh! im glad you worked hard your entire life. You obviously are stuck on the fact that everybody is as motivated as you. Would have been as easy if you HAD to take care of your mother too because she was selling herself for crack? It would seriosly bother you to know that somebody is getting free health care because they only make 6 dollars an hour, making you capitalists fat with greed. It wouldnt even effect you, and you would still rant about it. You all sound like a bunch of greedy biggots. And i will not move either. this is my country, im not leaving and if and when the time comes i will take great pleasure in taking you fat pigs out.... Oh Yeah i havnt had a bad life either. i was educated by the great catholic regime too. Put myself threw college and the only bitterness i feel is watching my nieborhood crumble as the blind bottle suckers in the burbs talk about how easy life is when the only pain they felt as a wee little tike was not getting the xmas present they wanted.
Health care in this country is definitely bad. Try being in the middle of a heart attack and driving yourself to the hospital because you can't afford to pay for the ambulance, or praying that you will be admitted because you have no insurance to pay for it. Truth is, many people who have routine health problems go to the emergency room because if you go there, they have to treat you. If even a basic minimum of care could be offered through clinics and other such places, people wouldn't be jamming up ERs to get help.
I went in to the welfare office to apply for Medi-Cal when I was living in L.A. and was told I wasn't 'disabled' to warrant it. And yet I had been having angina attacks over and over, and could barely walk from one room to another without gasping for breath and feeling tremendous pain in my chest.
There are many excellent doctors in this country, and a lot of them are also fine human beings who care about their patients and anyone else who needs help. But there are a significant percentage of medical professionals who have gone into medicine to become rich. And there are still others who graduated from medical school at the bottom of the class who you wouldn't want to treat your pet, nevermind yourself. What are the chances that some of those seeking to be rich are from the bottom of the class as well? Even if it's .01%, that still makes a LOT of them out there, trying to make money and making enough mistakes to warrant taking their licenses away from them before they hurt someone really, really bad.
Jiminy Christmas, who decided Michael Moore was still a relevant filmmaker? Or has propoganda officially become a genre?
pay scales for canadian post MDs average less than half of USA MDs...
cma.ca/multimedia/CMA/Content_Images/Inside_cma/Statistics/31-pay_scale s.pdf
US scales..
payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Doctor_of_Medicine_(MD)_Degrees/Sa lary
If you were doctor, where would you work?? In canada and other countries with 'free' medical care (tax rates over 60%, doctors' saleries are government controlled.
'Nuff said
Hi, i dont have insurance cause i dont make enfff to b able to pay rent etc and put in something lke 400$ w 2000$ deductible - i make 9$ an hour selling bread at a well known bakery in sf and my othr job is line cook at 10.5$ (bth prttime - i think that most pple who dont believe 'sicko' are the ones who work at wages like at 25$$ or are in unions. I suppose because i write english so wll i will be seen as someone who could do better - well guess what - i pay on a sliding scale and i do pay. I just went to dentist and paid 90$ cash for a cap to b reglued or whatever its called. I have caps from when a car hit me. I nver go to doctors or anything- unless desparte which means that i dont go even when knee was swollen up - that was the pits - i could not go down the stairs and could not walk - on second day i tighted a band round the knee area and took a painkiller that a friend had from a past injury.
I am really careful in that i dont spend any money on nonessentials as there is no real future for pple like me to retire - we are not illegals - so we have cannot lie on our irs statements when we get jobs - we cannot put down 7 dependents - i help the guys fill out the forms who dont read or speak english with their papers - (i am hspanic myself) - which means that we (legals) pay a real tax - and dont get benefits for working.
Hey Kill Yourself! I do live in a bubble. The bubble of reality! It's always some elses fault isn't it. It's funny how you hear about the successful people who's parents left them in the cold, were drug addicts etc... but they somehow found a way to make something out of themselves. You bleeding heart liberals always want to play the blame game and then call us capitalists unfair. Boo Hoo. I'm not particuarly motivated, I just know that if I want something in this life, I have to go out and get it myself. I worked three jobs (for less than 6 dollars an hour when I was going to college); anything to just get by. The difference is that I'm not looking for a free ride like you. I didn't put the needle in Mom's arm and force her to sell herself to pay for her addiction. I didn't get the girl pregnant and leave her to be raised by a single mother so the kids could drop out of school. These people made concious decisions to live the way they did. Sure life sucks sometimes for everyone and life's not easy. (At least not for this capitalist, greedy biggot - still working 2 jobs to make sure my daughter has it better life than I did) You just like to call everyone names to make yourself feel better. I'm proud to believe that I'm not a decendent of the ape. Obviously you disagree. That's the beauty of this country. Your neighborhood suffers because people like you sit around and complain about everyone else instead of getting the parents & leaders in your community to start looking at themselves and changing the way they act. As far as Christmas goes, I got one present under the tree and it wasn't and Xbox 360. If you are toothless, I'm sorry. Again, it's not my fault. Have a nice life!
As someone who has had to jump through hoops with their healthcare to get treatment for something as simple as tendonitis, never mind anything having to do with my spondolythesis is always a major endeavor, requiring a ringmaster and an entire circus, our medical/healthcare system is not working. From formularies that prevent you from getting your prescriptions at a reasonable cost, to the difficulty of finding a good doctor that takes your insurance and that you can get in to see, it's obivious it's time for the system to be overhauled.
Think about your experiences with seeing your doctor - has anyone been to an emergency room lately? I have, with my cousin who broke her foot and we waited for EIGHT HOURS to be seen, from midnight until the next morning. While we sat there, a girl was brought in who overdosed and she was set in a wheelchair and waited there as well. I watched her with her family, as a nurse came by and checked her every half hour... it was insane. The place was empty beyond us, no one else came in that night.
You can't deny that the price of medication is outrageous, and it's not from doctors being sued, it's from pharmacuticals making millions of dollars off them.
I love my country, but there are things that need to be fixed, and this is one of them - you can't wear blinders and act like everything's freaking fine when it's not. I haven't even seen the stupid movie yet, and at best, Michael Moore annoys me, but I'll go see this one.
I have not a clue what Maya just said, but I think I understand. You CAN find affordable places to go for healthcare, but you don't get 'decent' care, if you get care at all. Doesn't anybody understand what Michael Moore is trying to say? IT'S OVERPRICED! Even a poor man with down's syndrome, or a poor kid because mommy and daddy couldn't put him through college, (have you seen tuition lately? No way a kid can do it alone anymore)could afford healthcare if it was properly priced. Not everybody can be a well to do college graduate, some just don't have the means, and it's only because of the greed involved in medicine. And as for the jibbering idiot who 'wrote' that stupid piece, I could barely understand the first paragraph! Are you sure she speaks english? What a moronic child she made herself out to be. I hope college admissions doesn't read it, (if her parents have college funds) Because if I were on the admissions board, I'd turn her down--too stupid for my school.
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