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Feb 18, 2008, 10:05 GMT
German scientists warn of changes in Arctic Ocean circulation
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This article suffers very badly from a lack of clarity. Would the author please be good enough to try again?
I agree - what is the point of a 'dire warning' if no effects are mentioned. Should we now shelter under our beds until the situation is clarified ?
The 'dire warning'... as if we had a thing to say about ocean currents...
SP4 always in to make the most idiot remark as usual.Read the article and find what it 's all about instead of spreading your ignorance to the subject.
Last summers ice melt in the Arctic Ocean was the largest ever recorded.
I have just been looking at a satelite image of the Arctic ice and there is a large area of fast ice [an area that stays permanately frozen] and it has broken up.
I have no doubt that this years melt will again break all previous records.
...and it amounts to one study only.
Every time we read one of thee gems, it is written by a person not in the field. He is told what is important, not coming to the conclusions himself. Then, based on this, he writes the story.
It's the worst way to get science. It is how the press mucks up a complicated subject. Other gems from pseudoscience history:
Cranberrys cause cancer - sh-theads who published this in the 60's damn near ruined the cranberry industry.
Alar covered apples - same crap, never proved to be a threat
Breast implant cause cancer - proven wrong right after the zillion dollar settlement
Other cancer causes - must be a thousand of them, subsequently proven false, from meat, to radiowaves.
Global cooling - hey...just wait!
Spotted Owl and old growth timber - turned out to be the striped owl pushing it out of it's habitat
Eugenics
...and a hundred more.
Science, Tonny, is not religion. Each study has to be supported by further work. When I see something like this, it's a snapshot by a photographer with lots of reasons to play with the picture. Go ponder that and get back to us.
Greenland lost 200 cubic km of ice last year.That is confirmed by all studies.What more to say ....SP4 probably will say it is irrelevant anyway.Care to try your imagination on the size of the cube ?If all ther ice melts ,which is bound to happen ,the sealavel will raise with 7 meter.Kiss goodbye to big parts of Florida ,LOndon,Holloand,etc.And that is just the consequences on landmass obly .I wish SP4 would get a decent education.He is no publicity for US education standards.Two degrees did you say ?
Tonny is the libnazi standard. He would rather take a science he agrees with on it's face than question it's shortcomings, thus unraveling his beliefs. This is not science, this is religion. The religious zealots of the Libnazis have three arguments:
You're stupid
You're crazy
You're a radical
The goal here is to reaffirm the libnazi church's beliefs by pillorying the infidels.
Now, Greenland may be losing ice, but that really does not address why it is happening. This is where this pseudoscience really fails.
If c02 content is raising temperatures, worldwide, why are we having one of the coldest winters on record, in many parts of the world? Thermodynamics tells us that, if c02 is the driver, and the c02 has stayed steady or risen, we shouldn't have a colder winter...
unless
Something else is affecting the outcome. Fine, if that is true, then we must accept the possibility that something else is driving global climate change too. This is the flaw in the great hoax:
You either accept c02 as a single driver of warming until it fails to warm, and then you must look for other reasons.
This flies in the face of the propagandists who simply wish to institutionalize their false beliefs on the populations. Numerous scientists are calling all this into question, a legitimate activity for a scientist.
Now, experts are coming out. NOAA, John R. Christy, the Oregon State Meteorologist, who was fired for his beliefs, all are questioning this. The result: they are persecuted or pilloried for their dissent.
Don't get me wrong, I accept climate change because climate on earth is ALWAYS changing! I just do not trust scientists who let others write their conclusions.
other scientific mistakes and hoaxes of the 20th century:
Eugenics
Cancer from Cranberries
XYY chromosomes responsible for criminal behavior
Old growth timber and the spotted owl
treatment of psychological disorders with frontal lobotomies
stress as a cause of stomach ulcers.
Tonny, grow up. Use your intellect.
...one more: Global cooling
but if we wait, they might just be right! hahahahahahahahaha!
This slavish devotion to a single theory prevents and discourages dispassionate scientific research into other possible causes.
It does not matter how cold the winter is it's the ammount of melt and summer heat that causes sea levels to rise.
All Glaciers rely on both the proper temperature AND precipitation to maintain themselves. Any calving glacier is a system that, eventually, requires replenishment. While it may even be true that warming is having an effect, a lack of precipitation will exacerbate the condition.
Thirty glaciers? What about Antarctica, where
snowfall - and glacier growth - has been increasing
since 1850? Antarctic Snowfall Has Doubled Since 1850) The
Antarctic Ice Sheet is almost one-hundred times
bigger than all of the rest of the world's glaciers
put together.
...it's a real anomaly inthe global warming scenario. After all, how is it that the ice sheet can be getting larger if the earth is warming???
Another obvious question is the melting ice in the north. It seems to be only in specific places i.e. it's melting on one side more than the other.
My question is this: if global warming is a reality, why is the effect local or regional?
Is SP4 George Bush ?
..it's easier than addressing the questions I posed above...
Antarctic snowfall has doubled since 1850? I think you will find that not much was known about Antarctica in 1850. It was not until airoplanes did surveys from the air that anybody really knew what was there.
Even today information is very sparse and only coveres a small amount of the continent. What is going on in Antarctica has only been possible with the recent use of satelites and the destruction of Larsen A and B, Prinz Gustaf, Wordie, Muller, Jones and now the Wilkes ice shelfs have been observed.
Global warming is liberal nonsense. REAL scientists dispute this entire theory. Have a look out your window at the snow.
When the ice melts and the seas rise (and die), and when disease and famine are out of control - then SP4 and the the other 2 or three idiots out there will stand in denial as possibly the last surviving people on earth. Ignore them, they cannot be educated; they seem to think they know it all already. Arguing with SP4 does NOT stimulate intelligent conversation.
What if you are wrong and we are heading towards rapid cooling as history shows follows warming, oh yeah we only warmed for a few decades and no warming since 1998?...If CO2 has increased since 98 how can this be. Too bad summer is coming because we will have to listen to all the bogus warming news thats actually just typical weather.
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