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Feb 18, 2008, 10:05 GMT
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This article suffers very badly from a lack of clarity. Would the author please be good enough to try again?
I agree - what is the point of a 'dire warning' if no effects are mentioned. Should we now shelter under our beds until the situation is clarified ?
The 'dire warning'... as if we had a thing to say about ocean currents...
SP4 always in to make the most idiot remark as usual.Read the article and find what it 's all about instead of spreading your ignorance to the subject.
Last summers ice melt in the Arctic Ocean was the largest ever recorded.
I have just been looking at a satelite image of the Arctic ice and there is a large area of fast ice [an area that stays permanately frozen] and it has broken up.
I have no doubt that this years melt will again break all previous records.
...and it amounts to one study only.
Every time we read one of thee gems, it is written by a person not in the field. He is told what is important, not coming to the conclusions himself. Then, based on this, he writes the story.
It's the worst way to get science. It is how the press mucks up a complicated subject. Other gems from pseudoscience history:
Cranberrys cause cancer - sh-theads who published this in the 60's damn near ruined the cranberry industry.
Alar covered apples - same crap, never proved to be a threat
Breast implant cause cancer - proven wrong right after the zillion dollar settlement
Other cancer causes - must be a thousand of them, subsequently proven false, from meat, to radiowaves.
Global cooling - hey...just wait!
Spotted Owl and old growth timber - turned out to be the striped owl pushing it out of it's habitat
Eugenics
...and a hundred more.
Science, Tonny, is not religion. Each study has to be supported by further work. When I see something like this, it's a snapshot by a photographer with lots of reasons to play with the picture. Go ponder that and get back to us.
Greenland lost 200 cubic km of ice last year.That is confirmed by all studies.What more to say ....SP4 probably will say it is irrelevant anyway.Care to try your imagination on the size of the cube ?If all ther ice melts ,which is bound to happen ,the sealavel will raise with 7 meter.Kiss goodbye to big parts of Florida ,LOndon,Holloand,etc.And that is just the consequences on landmass obly .I wish SP4 would get a decent education.He is no publicity for US education standards.Two degrees did you say ?
Tonny is the libnazi standard. He would rather take a science he agrees with on it's face than question it's shortcomings, thus unraveling his beliefs. This is not science, this is religion. The religious zealots of the Libnazis have three arguments:
You're stupid
You're crazy
You're a radical
The goal here is to reaffirm the libnazi church's beliefs by pillorying the infidels.
Now, Greenland may be losing ice, but that really does not address why it is happening. This is where this pseudoscience really fails.
If c02 content is raising temperatures, worldwide, why are we having one of the coldest winters on record, in many parts of the world? Thermodynamics tells us that, if c02 is the driver, and the c02 has stayed steady or risen, we shouldn't have a colder winter...
unless
Something else is affecting the outcome. Fine, if that is true, then we must accept the possibility that something else is driving global climate change too. This is the flaw in the great hoax:
You either accept c02 as a single driver of warming until it fails to warm, and then you must look for other reasons.
This flies in the face of the propagandists who simply wish to institutionalize their false beliefs on the populations. Numerous scientists are calling all this into question, a legitimate activity for a scientist.
Now, experts are coming out. NOAA, John R. Christy, the Oregon State Meteorologist, who was fired for his beliefs, all are questioning this. The result: they are persecuted or pilloried for their dissent.
Don't get me wrong, I accept climate change because climate on earth is ALWAYS changing! I just do not trust scientists who let others write their conclusions.
other scientific mistakes and hoaxes of the 20th century:
Eugenics
Cancer from Cranberries
XYY chromosomes responsible for criminal behavior
Old growth timber and the spotted owl
treatment of psychological disorders with frontal lobotomies
stress as a cause of stomach ulcers.
Tonny, grow up. Use your intellect.
...one more: Global cooling
but if we wait, they might just be right! hahahahahahahahaha!
This slavish devotion to a single theory prevents and discourages dispassionate scientific research into other possible causes.
It does not matter how cold the winter is it's the ammount of melt and summer heat that causes sea levels to rise.
All Glaciers rely on both the proper temperature AND precipitation to maintain themselves. Any calving glacier is a system that, eventually, requires replenishment. While it may even be true that warming is having an effect, a lack of precipitation will exacerbate the condition.
Thirty glaciers? What about Antarctica, where
snowfall - and glacier growth - has been increasing
since 1850? Antarctic Snowfall Has Doubled Since 1850) The
Antarctic Ice Sheet is almost one-hundred times
bigger than all of the rest of the world's glaciers
put together.
...it's a real anomaly inthe global warming scenario. After all, how is it that the ice sheet can be getting larger if the earth is warming???
Another obvious question is the melting ice in the north. It seems to be only in specific places i.e. it's melting on one side more than the other.
My question is this: if global warming is a reality, why is the effect local or regional?
Is SP4 George Bush ?
..it's easier than addressing the questions I posed above...
Antarctic snowfall has doubled since 1850? I think you will find that not much was known about Antarctica in 1850. It was not until airoplanes did surveys from the air that anybody really knew what was there.
Even today information is very sparse and only coveres a small amount of the continent. What is going on in Antarctica has only been possible with the recent use of satelites and the destruction of Larsen A and B, Prinz Gustaf, Wordie, Muller, Jones and now the Wilkes ice shelfs have been observed.
Global warming is liberal nonsense. REAL scientists dispute this entire theory. Have a look out your window at the snow.
When the ice melts and the seas rise (and die), and when disease and famine are out of control - then SP4 and the the other 2 or three idiots out there will stand in denial as possibly the last surviving people on earth. Ignore them, they cannot be educated; they seem to think they know it all already. Arguing with SP4 does NOT stimulate intelligent conversation.
What if you are wrong and we are heading towards rapid cooling as history shows follows warming, oh yeah we only warmed for a few decades and no warming since 1998?...If CO2 has increased since 98 how can this be. Too bad summer is coming because we will have to listen to all the bogus warming news thats actually just typical weather.
Why isn’t CNN mentioning that Antarctic ice is running 1.5 MILLION km^2 above last year's record pace?
Think they'll ignore the all-but-certain new record this September?
Cooling temps nearly wipe out 100 Years of Global Warming. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
At Latitude 53.8 North, all this Global cooling is doing wonders for the grape vines growing in my garden.
SP4 may be convinced that the Earth is getting cooler but the grapes know that things are warming up. It's a matter of life or death for them you know.
it's the only solution ot global warming - many billions less people
Thanks for the WIMB report on grapes, The last 2 posts show how desperate this global warming scam has gotten.
THE AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURES FOR THE LAST WEEK OF MARCH
AT SEATTLE AND OLYMPIA WERE THE COLDEST ON RECORD.
AT SEATTLE TACOMA AIRPORT THE AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR
THE LAST SEVEN DAYS WAS 46.0 DEGREES. THE PREVIOUS RECORD
FOR THE COLDEST VERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURES FOR THE LAST WEEK
OF MARCH WAS 47.1 DEGREES SET IN 1967. THE RECORDS AT
SEATTLE TACOMA AIRPORT BEGAN IN 1945.
INCLUDING THE RECORDS FROM THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN
SEATTLE...WHICH GO BACK TO 1891...THIS IS THE THIRD COLDEST
LAST WEEK OF MARCH FOR THE AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURE. THE TWO
COLDER YEARS WERE 1936 WITH AN AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURE OF
43.6 AND 1917 WITH AN AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 45.9 DEGREES.
It takes a patient person to educate the brain deficient SP4.Perhaps he can educate himself .So a simple,very simple question to him.How do you relate an eventual increased snowfall in antartica with the impossibility of global warming ?Logically it takes only freezing temperatures to provoke snowfall,be it minus 10 or minus 50 degrees .If,and I say IF the snow coverage of antartica has augmented to me it indicates an argument for global warmin,as the snowfall is provoked by clous,clouds are made through evaporation of water from the oceans,raising temperatures will enhance evaporation,enhanced evaporation will cause more snowfall.My god ,SP4 will you one day understand the most basic principles of science .It is obvious to all that you understand nothing of it.Yet you continue to post your own ignorance .And you say that you have two degrees ?Ha ha...
Andthen there is another mechanism consistent with global warming that could accountfor more snowfall,it is called sublimation.sublimation is the evaporation of solid ice into frozen vapoe through extreme old .Similar to the way instant coffee grains are produced .Risisn temperatures in antartica would mean less sublimation,so more ice and snow coverage .
I would very much like you to refrain from posting on topics you know nothing from.It would help you not to appear as a moron,SP4.
Libnazi theories have nothing to do with that,unles you declare science to be libnazi .That will make myday.Meanwhile you just show yourself to be biased without any knowledge of the subject,as usual.Before you discuss science,study it.
Sea levels are currently lifting at 3,2mm per year. The 200 cubic km that Greenland looses and the demise of mountain glaciers and the expansion of the sea due to it getting warmer does not add up to 3.2mm .
The only other source of this sea level rise is Antarctica. The very place where some people say snowfall is increasing and Antarctica is getting larger.
I doubt very much if Antarctica can get larger because recently large lakes and flowing water has been discovered beneath the Ice. They are there because ice has insulating properties and the base of the ice is heated from the warmth of the Earth and is prone to melting. The more snow that lands on top the more the ice will melt from the underneath.
'My question is this: if global warming is a reality, why is the effect local or regional?'
Think about it: Weather dynamics (modeled by the Navier-Stokes equations) are highly nonlinear in nature. There will be tornadoes and all sorts of events that are local or regional in nature. The global trend is actually very very difficult to measure because it has to be an average type figure and is statistical. And, because almost all people know absolutely nothing about statistics, and even fewer, including very educated people, know how to apply even the simplest of statistical metrics such as standard deviation, it means that most of this issue is shear voodoo to almost everyone.
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