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German scientists warn of changes in Arctic Ocean circulation

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Feb 18, 2008, 10:05 GMT

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NoharnessFeb 19th, 2008 - 09:12:41

This article suffers very badly from a lack of clarity. Would the author please be good enough to try again?

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JohnFeb 19th, 2008 - 20:57:50

I agree - what is the point of a 'dire warning' if no effects are mentioned. Should we now shelter under our beds until the situation is clarified ?

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SP4: That's the point, right?Feb 20th, 2008 - 18:33:36

The 'dire warning'... as if we had a thing to say about ocean currents...

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tonny from belgiumFeb 21st, 2008 - 11:24:50

SP4 always in to make the most idiot remark as usual.Read the article and find what it 's all about instead of spreading your ignorance to the subject.

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Fool on the hillFeb 24th, 2008 - 10:37:03

Last summers ice melt in the Arctic Ocean was the largest ever recorded.
I have just been looking at a satelite image of the Arctic ice and there is a large area of fast ice [an area that stays permanately frozen] and it has broken up.
I have no doubt that this years melt will again break all previous records.

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SP4: Actually, Tonny, I read it...Feb 25th, 2008 - 20:10:40

...and it amounts to one study only.

Every time we read one of thee gems, it is written by a person not in the field. He is told what is important, not coming to the conclusions himself. Then, based on this, he writes the story.

It's the worst way to get science. It is how the press mucks up a complicated subject. Other gems from pseudoscience history:

Cranberrys cause cancer - sh-theads who published this in the 60's damn near ruined the cranberry industry.

Alar covered apples - same crap, never proved to be a threat

Breast implant cause cancer - proven wrong right after the zillion dollar settlement

Other cancer causes - must be a thousand of them, subsequently proven false, from meat, to radiowaves.

Global cooling - hey...just wait!

Spotted Owl and old growth timber - turned out to be the striped owl pushing it out of it's habitat

Eugenics

...and a hundred more.

Science, Tonny, is not religion. Each study has to be supported by further work. When I see something like this, it's a snapshot by a photographer with lots of reasons to play with the picture. Go ponder that and get back to us.




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tonny from belgiumMar 5th, 2008 - 19:16:28

Greenland lost 200 cubic km of ice last year.That is confirmed by all studies.What more to say ....SP4 probably will say it is irrelevant anyway.Care to try your imagination on the size of the cube ?If all ther ice melts ,which is bound to happen ,the sealavel will raise with 7 meter.Kiss goodbye to big parts of Florida ,LOndon,Holloand,etc.And that is just the consequences on landmass obly .I wish SP4 would get a decent education.He is no publicity for US education standards.Two degrees did you say ?

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SP4: Check it...Mar 7th, 2008 - 15:30:17

Tonny is the libnazi standard. He would rather take a science he agrees with on it's face than question it's shortcomings, thus unraveling his beliefs. This is not science, this is religion. The religious zealots of the Libnazis have three arguments:

You're stupid

You're crazy

You're a radical

The goal here is to reaffirm the libnazi church's beliefs by pillorying the infidels.

Now, Greenland may be losing ice, but that really does not address why it is happening. This is where this pseudoscience really fails.

If c02 content is raising temperatures, worldwide, why are we having one of the coldest winters on record, in many parts of the world? Thermodynamics tells us that, if c02 is the driver, and the c02 has stayed steady or risen, we shouldn't have a colder winter...

unless


Something else is affecting the outcome. Fine, if that is true, then we must accept the possibility that something else is driving global climate change too. This is the flaw in the great hoax:

You either accept c02 as a single driver of warming until it fails to warm, and then you must look for other reasons.

This flies in the face of the propagandists who simply wish to institutionalize their false beliefs on the populations. Numerous scientists are calling all this into question, a legitimate activity for a scientist.

Now, experts are coming out. NOAA, John R. Christy, the Oregon State Meteorologist, who was fired for his beliefs, all are questioning this. The result: they are persecuted or pilloried for their dissent.

Don't get me wrong, I accept climate change because climate on earth is ALWAYS changing! I just do not trust scientists who let others write their conclusions.

other scientific mistakes and hoaxes of the 20th century:

Eugenics

Cancer from Cranberries

XYY chromosomes responsible for criminal behavior

Old growth timber and the spotted owl

treatment of psychological disorders with frontal lobotomies

stress as a cause of stomach ulcers.

Tonny, grow up. Use your intellect.





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SP4: oh yeahMar 7th, 2008 - 15:32:22

...one more: Global cooling

but if we wait, they might just be right! hahahahahahahahaha!

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That is RightMar 7th, 2008 - 20:04:07

This slavish devotion to a single theory prevents and discourages dispassionate scientific research into other possible causes.

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