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Ah.... The fleecing of Western Capitalist countries continues....
...creating a religion for atheists.
Even as the scientist ,not only of the world community speak out on global warming,in the USA there is the great steersman called Bush who finds it more convenient to soctor the official reports of not only his intelligence agency but even those made by his own scientific agencies .THeir findings on global warming clash with the belief of the Bush administration and are thus irrelevant to the neocon idiots that rule the USA .Only a few very ignorant fringe of the US population remains unaware of the catastrophic consequences of failing to act on time .THe american electorate should now that failing to curb global warming will put their children at risk of hunger and starvation within a time frame of two decades .Any farmer with some knowledge of the earth knows that the food production in the USA is in a frail state .Thanks to fertilizers and pesticides the reapings have been huge in the past .But this intensive agriculture,which has been practiced in Europe and the East too,has consequences for the future,especially in situations of drought or extremes weather phenomena .The soil is already biologically dead ,biomass is absent and without intensive use of chemicals nothing will grow .But the rapid raising price of oil has it's effects also in agriculture,heavily mechanized and relaying on chemicals,also needing oil in it's making and processing .Prices of grain will raize,crops will be severely reduced.For anybody willing to educate himself ,there is enough material available on the internet,Al Gore has done a tremendous job already and is joined by the overwhelming majority of the scientific community .THis challenge provides also good opportunities to dispose of other errors that have been made in the past,like sooth pollution and others .Unfortunately there are still some morons amongst you,their knowledge stops at statements like global warming being a religion for atheists .That is the complete extend of their wisdom.Expect nothing else from them ,they know no more .
Here is Tonni...Where have you been hiding?...Not from Belgium, must work f'The Maldives in the central Indian Ocean consist of some 1,200
individual islands grouped in about 20 larger atolls,' says Mörner.
In-as-much as the islands rise only three to seven feet above sea
level, they have been condemned by the IPCC to flooding in the
near future.
Mörner disagrees with this scenario. 'In our study of the coastal
dynamics and the geomorphology of the shores,' writes Mörner,
'we were unable to detect any traces of a recent sea level rise.
On the contrary, we found quite clear morphological indications
of a recent fall in sea level.'
Mörner’s group found that sea levels stood about 60 cm higher
around A.D. 1150 than today, and more recently, about 30 cm
higher than today.
'From the shape and freshness,' Mörner says, 'one would assume
that the sea level fall took place in the last 50 years, or so.'
In the last 50 years!
I find it difficult to understand how the IPCC could have missed
this information - unless they did it deliberately.
All they had to do was ask the locals.
'Local people report that the dhonis (local fishing boats) could pass
straight across theMaduvvare Falhus thila in the 1970s and 1980s,'
Mörner reports, 'whilst they in the last 15 years have had to make
a detour around the thila, because it is now too shallow. The thila
has not grown, so it must be the sea that has fallen.'
'In the IPCC scenarios,' Mörner concludes, 'the Maldives were
condemned to disappear in the near future.' 'Our documentation
of actual field evidence contradicts this hypothesis.'
or MC to stir things up, cause Tonni never posts for long. Anyway sea levels are falling in the Maldives.
Is US news media showing news of all the protests and demonstrations against america at the Bali meeting - or is censorship still alive and well in the supposed land of the free ?
'Is US news media showing news of all the protests and demonstrations against america at the Bali meeting - or is censorship still alive and well in the supposed land of the free ?'
Oh yeah, they are showing it... We just don't care.
Perhaps if they would use bigger paper mache effigies that might be a compelling argument to change our industrial policies.... LOL...
About the Maldives:I have no clues about the time it will take for the water to eventually flood those pancakes .What one of previous posters seems to describe looks more like sedimentation.Currents move sand,so do rivers.That is wgy some harbors and waterways need to be dredged.Nothing contrary to global warming there .On the other hand arctic ice is melting fast ;the northwest passage has opened during summer months for the first time since very ling .Greenland coastlines are changing and lifting due yo the melting of glaciers ,so do the glaciers in Europe and the rest of the USA .The recent blazes in California are not a coincidence,neither is the long period of drought in the USA .THere are enough signs as it is .Of course there will always be somebody dismissing what is already established .After all there is such a thing as the flat earth society,right ?And for some evangelists the sun revolves around the earth,isn't that plain to see when you look at the sky ?Poor levels of education are common in the USA nowadays .Poor America,religion has turned part of it's population into cretins,and those cretins make life miserable to the rest of the population.One of those fruitcakes is HUckabee.Another fool who thinks governance must be replaced by atonement and prayer .Wake up and get rid of these idiots before you are all covered in ridicule again.Soon you will need a class of people willing to revert to science to solve your problems .Praying an imaginary god is not going to help.
Never mind NO one got a Nobel for climate science, because none of the judges wanted to look stupid, or would stake their own professional reputations reviewing it.
Never mind people like John R. Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at the U of Alabama and a co-recipient of the Nobel Prize saying it's hokum, or the Oregon state meteorologist, who lost his job dissenting over it when Governor libnazi eliminated the position....Tonny has a new religion and the infidels need to be persecuted!
Honestly, some of this is so far-fetched it is laughable. Tonny never stops to think about all the offsets, like increased growing areas open due to global climate change, only the fact that some will be made less arible.
Even then, no real reproducible science exists on this subject, it is nothing more than some shakey statistics and computer generated flotsom that this generation of scientists take as...well...
gospel.
Tonni works for this board, never responds, never states any relevant facts just the same stir the pot bullcrap, only pouosts in the beginnings of threads etc. Global warming is not man made, we are in a cycle and as we get colder and colder these fake usa hater, terror deniers will have to get more extreme as no one believes them any more or their energy hog god...Big Occidental Al Gore. Yes Tonni and his religion are a fake. In waterboarding you live, abortion you die.
Record sea ice growth rates after a record low may sound surprising at first, but it is not completely unexpected. The more ice that survives the summer melt, the less open water there is for new ice to grow. When summertime ice extent hits a record low, on the other hand, large areas of open water provide room for the ice to grow once temperatures cool off enough. While summer warming of the upper ocean surface can cause wintertime sea ice regrowth to lag initially, as the fall season progresses and sunlight weakens, the rate of energy loss from the ocean increases. That heat loss coupled with a large area of open water creates ideal conditions for sea ice to form rapidly over large areas.
I suggest you shoot yourself, that ought to do it.
Tonny from Belgium
How can you link the wild fires in California to Global Warming? It's a preventable event if the environmental terrorists didn't forced (brainwashed) government agencies in the naturally dry region of California to ban homeowners from clearing dry, dead undergrowth to create firebreaks. Also some of the fires were started by idiots. By the way, the UN and IPCC in Bali tried to stop a group of scientists who did some research into the UN report on global warming and concluded that there were errors, bad maths and bad statistics used by the UN panel to support their position on global warming... Quote from Tonny 'Bush who finds it more convenient to soctor the official reports of not only his intelligence agency but even those made by his own scientific agencies' I do believe that the person quoted by the Waxman (sp?) report, a Mr. Mayfield, former NOAA Hurricane Center Dir. came out today to refuted the report that he was asked by the Bush Administration not to link hurricanes to global warming. By the way, hurricanes are formed naturally for decades before the idea of global warming came out. While we are at this issue, isn't the rush to create more 'green' energy creating more environmental disasters???? Like farmers in Indonesia, Brazil, and Africa are burning forests to make room for palm trees where the oil from the palm seeds can be converted into bio fuel... and while we are at it, ever sit down and think about how you make bio fuel from palm oil, corn, etc??? That's right, you need energy to convert these raw materials into bio fuels and guess what Boys!!!! you are using fossil fuels to do the conversion... I'm waiting for some one to say this.. hmmm...why not go nuclear power like in France???? And how come nobody is critizing France for having more nuclear power plants than the US??? Guess how clean our environment would be if we had kept researching nuclear tech to make it more efficient and safer.....
Global warming is a problem but it's only one of several problems facing the Earth.
Peak oil is a far more serious problem because without that nice portable source of energy civilisation will grind to a halt.
The population time bomb is another more serious problem because the Earth is struggling to feed itself. Tonny was right when he mentioned the use of artificial fertilisers on the soil [oil based of cource]. One comment said 'plough lands that have beed made more available as the planet warms'. He has obviously never seen how thin soils are in de-glaciated ares.
180 countries depend on imported food to sustain their ever expanding populations and only 5 countries are major exporters of grain. Most of those 5 countries are struggling to produce more crops and grain is no longer cheap.
If 'peak oil' 'peak grain' and an unsustainable World population begin to be a problem don't worry about global warming.
It is good to see SP4 wants to take a robust scientific approach to the problem - perhaps he would be good enough to provide 'real reproducible science .... that is more than some shakey statistics and computer generated flotsom' to prove that global warming is NOT happening.
I write this in view of the oldest Scottish ski resort, which has just gone into liquidation (not a pun) because of lack of snow over the past few years
WIMB REPORT:Most snow ever, Since 1962, the average for the whole month of December is 38.8 inches, said Taylor Davis, the National Weather Service observer for the Town of Crested Butte.
Within the first 10 days of this December, the town had already received 58.5 inches, he said.
PS: Ian,Fool,Pete,Tonni all the same person, Working for this site to stir the pot and get people to use the site...
PSS: The Scottish ski are had other problems and is had a alot of snow this year as the ice age arrives.
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