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In photos: 'Canada Seal Hunt'
By M&C News Mar 30, 2008, 16:17 GMT
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Boy someone is playing tricks here. First off hardwood clubs are used to club seal not boat hooks, secondly where did these pictures come from, no activists were in the area of the seal hunt this year and I don't believe any seals were killed yet. Something smells funny here
I think this is cruel and in humane practice for fur trade.
Humamity must respect life in any level. Killing the infant animals
made and act like wild animals.
Photo #6 is exactly the same as photo #12.
I just heard three sealers are dead and one missing from a capsized boat. This is carma at its finest. I'll go toe to toe with any of these red-neck Canadians...
I am SO happy that four men have died, I hope their familes are devistated.
I hope the four men had a grusome, painful slow death. These poor helpless animals are not even dead, they suffer for hours.
I am over the moon, that four men have died and that the fleet lost a boat.
And as for 'we be clubbin' who said; Shocking , fantastic photos i particularly like the one where the other seal is watching the other seal get the club to the head and didnt run.
You are one SICK and vile individual. I hope you have tragic accident, or may one of your family members have a tragic car accident. You are SICK...
But hip hip hooray for the four dead men... Fabulous news
It is karmic retribution that four men lost their lives! They should all meet the same fate. It would still not atone for the millions of baby seals they have killed and, in many instances, skinned alive. By the way, these vicious sealers use whatever they have at hand to club the seals -- from a hakapik to a golf club to their own foot. They particularly enjoy kicking the seal in the face first, as it always elicits a round of laughter from their drunken buddies!
Wow, how compassionate, animal lovers. How do dead humans make dead seals better? Over the moon? Hope their families are devastated? BTW, ignorant ones...there is no i in devastated, there's only one m in humanity. Jerks killing seals, jerks judging seal killers, jerks all around.
~Sigh~ Here we go again. As a dedicated Canadian environmentalist and activit, I have to shake my head every time the seal hunt / global cry fest starts up every spring. As long as this harvest is done sustainably and wisely, which it appears to be, this is at worst as bad as any of a dozen animal killing industries we all live with. At best, it's a far more humane, culturally important, and community-based harvest than most farms offer.
The captions are rediculous as well. As IF these professional hunters lost all of those seals as stated. What a lie. I'm surprised the caption for the scavanging seagull didn't say 'seagull sheds a tear for the cruelty of mankind'.
Why doesn't the animal rights industry just hand over a fraction of the money they raise on this issue every year straight to the hunters to not hunt? Oh yeah... because they'd lose all that sweet, sweet cash.
This is a yearly tragedy, it is one of the most graphic displays of animal cruelty that we have. But, this must be said here... the fact that four humans died is not karma, it is sad. To not have sympathy for people who have been conditioned out of not caring is to miss the whole point.
The four people who died were not bad people. They were people who were not raised to give a darn about the ethics involved in killing of seals. Clubbing wild animals in front of their friends is a horrible thing, so horrible in fact that those doing it are lost souls. If you mock their deaths and wish devastation upon their loved ones, you are no better than they.
May the clubbing of seals stop, and also let their be more understanding of our fellow man.
If all these baby seals were allowed to live, they'd devastate the fisheries and then fishermen's families would suffer.
Did you know that in spite of killing 300,000 seals annually, the seal population has STILL increased three-thousandfold?
So who's more important -- baby seals or baby humans?
Do you know how much the human population of the planet has exploded? Human overpopulation is the number one threat to our planet. People are causing global warming, not seals. So far, Canada has gotten away with mass extermination of harp seals. As long as they get away with it, they will continue their savagery.
I left my name anynomus (never underestimate the mad skillz of angry activists, or perhaps misinformed angry activists misdirected)
First, redneck Canadians. What's up with that extrememly racist remark?
I know getting angry like that can make you say things you don't want to say, but still- REDNECK CANADIANS?!?!
For shame, corey, for shame. :(
I will like to see you go toe to toe with an angry mob of canadians after you tell that to their faces.
Second, i'll bet for every single seal that gets clubbed by those guys another THREE are getting eaten by something, or trapped, or drowned, or whatever.
A seal dies, guys. But life goes on. IT GOES ON!!!!!
(ridiculous, i know. but it seriously does.)
Sure, it's inhumane to club something that's helpless and defenseless
(check the look on the guys face if that seal had a m16, sucker. :P)
But sharks eat seals messily, i bet thats pretty inhumane.
Killer whales sometimes eat seals, thats pretty inhumane too.
Humans sometimes club seals, ???????????????????????????????
Think about it, these kind of 'inhumane' things go on just about
ALL THE FREAKING TIME without humans doing them.
So go on ahead, tell the sharks to stop eating the seals
tell all the whales to stop eating the seals
for a matter of fact, tell all the seals to try to stop dying in unneccisarily violent ways (such as self-arming with the previously mentioned m16)
and then i will be very glad if you could go down and tell all the canadian 'redneck?' (sorry corey, i'm not quite used to this idiotic and redundant use of unneccesary racism yet, apparently your quite good at it. Though im not sure if thats a good thing or not.) hunters to stop killing the seals by clubbing, as that is quite inhumane.
Seriously, you guys are acting if it's a good thing that people are DEAD.
When that happens, you know there have got to be some issues that need to be fixed.
I reccomend these following medical steps:
1.) Cool it. stop forcing yourself to look at these things and making yourself think that going on a rampage in canada is a good idea. can we say VIOLENT?
2.) Go to your doctor, and ask for the latest medicine for anger control. However, i recommend the Chill Pill, free and always avaliable when needed. Treatment includes relaxing, taking a deep breath, and doing some relaxing spiritual activity preffered to regain a calm balance of mind.
3.)Think about what you said, and see if you could change that or make up for it.
I realize these pictures are horrifying. However, how many of us look at these pictures in disgust, then go and eat beef, chicken, fish, pork, etc. How do you think chickens, cows, fish and pigs die? Peacefully? I would read how horrible their deaths are before commenting. If you want to complain, then stop eating any kind of meat or using any kind if animal product. Period.
Here is a quote taken from the OSPCA website about how they kill cows so we can enjoy our hamburgers and steaks...
'Prior to being hung up by their back legs and bled to death, cattle are supposed to be rendered unconscious. This 'stunning' is usually done by a mechanical blow to the head. The procedure is terribly imprecise, and inadequate stunning is inevitable. The result of poor stunning is conscious animals hanging upside down, kicking and struggling...'
this is for elliott.i hope you die a slow painful death with cancer and you have bed sores the size of youre head.do not eat meat because it came from a slaughter house.ps.you better not come to eastern canada you will be shot or clubed and i will make sure you are dead and will slice you'RE THROAT SO YOU WILL NOT SUFFER......
Ralph you hit the nail on the head . any one that would be happy about a human being diying trying to make a living to support thier family and young children they left behind is a very sick person and should be torcherd by HITTLER THIS IS FROM ANY NORMAL PERSON!!!!!!!! These people probably dont mind wearing a 3000 dollar fur coat or leather jacket that shit dont grow on trees but he is probably just a know it all tree hugger GO SEALERS GET YOUR QOUTA FAST AND SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from a fellow east coaster
I am not happy sealers have died, these are fathers, sons, husbands and families have been devastated. However, all this could have been prevented if these people had not been so stubborn trying to defend a way of life that belongs in the past.
I say this as a Canadian, I hope their children learn from this tragedy and go to school and grow up to be productive members of society, instead of destroyers of the earth and killers of baby animals.
Too much blood lost all around, and all for what?????? FUR??????? WTF?
I value ALL life. These sealers chose to go on the ice to kill. However, the poor seals have no escape from the murderous hands.
Serial Killers kill animals first. I wonder if they have ever done studies to see if people that could be so cruel and indifferent to another sentient being made of flesh and bone is more likely to beat his wife, kids, violent crime, etc. I also wonder about slaughter house workers, animal testing workers, war veterans etc.
I think this is great....the men that got killed....KARMA!!!!! I just hope for more to die....men that is....
I agree thank god the sealers boat turned and they died . best news is ages. i hope when the boat capsized there skulls got smashed in but they didnt die instantly. dickheads. now hopefully the almighty will give other animals some luck , starting with canned hunting . hopefully lions will rip apart hunters.
How can you people be glad that the sealers died? What is more important the life of a seal or the life of a human? If you think they are equal in value you are crazy. Do you use any thing that comes from some thing that was once alive? Yes you do. If the life of a seal and the life of a human are equal what about other animals, plants, or any life form at all? Do you use antibacterial soaps? You are killing the poor bacteria, how dare you! You people are nuts. You all live comfortable lives with no real worry about survival so you start to make up worries. That is what is wrong with you people, you are all too comfortable in your lives.
as a seal hunter i would like to say sorry to hear about those sealers that lost their lives the other day, as for the idiots posting those comments praising their deaths,how could you say something like that? how would you like someone saying that about your family or friends, just goes too show that most of the protesters that the IFAW are conjuring up are far worst than any seal hunter by a long shot!
Defending the Sealers way of life is akin to defending the Ivory Poachers way of life, which nearly wiped all the elephants of the earth. Just because thats the life they chose doesnt mean it should be preserved. That way of life is bad and should be elliminated. There are many professions out there wher eyou can feed you children. I am sure all those ivory poachers also found an alternate way of life
And these Canadian called themselves Western civilization!!
so what is the barbarian then ? , These are the most stupid and and ignorent people that i have heard of and people who buy these products .
Seeing the graphic video of that goes with these images really tells the whole horrible picture. The video is at www.friction.tv on the IFAW channel.
Alright, I think everyone needs to just step back and calm down a little bit.
Sure, it's horrible.
Yeah, no one wants to see it.
Mhm, there's gotta be a better way to do this than clubbing (if it has to be done, work with me).
But saying it isn't going to make it so. If you REALLY want to see change, get out there and do it yourselves, otherwise I don't think anyone has the right to complain. (Please don't point out the hypocrisy of that statement, I am fully aware of it)
Furthermore, I think it is absolutely disgusting that so many people have commented saying that they're glad that four people have died. That doesn't make any sense to me. You attach human attributes to other species, yet you completely ignore the pain of your own. Maybe those clubbers WERE bad people, maybe they weren't. Does it really matter? It's still sad that they died.
ALSO Being a Canadian, I really don't appreciate the generalizing that seems so popular in these comments. I don't club seals. I don't condone the clubbing of seals. Not all Canadians club seals. Stop blaming 'Canada' as a whole for seal clubbing. I'm pretty sure most of us don't even know it's happening (which isn't necessarily better, but the majority of the population DOES NOT club seals).
'Redneck Canadian'?! There's too many things wrong with that, I don't even know where to begin.
To the individual who made a comment about paying them to to stop clubbing. Last year a businesswoman did offer the government more htan $16 million, which is roughly what they make off this brutality, but was turned down. They cited tradition. So which is it? If you call them on their brutality, they claim they need the money. If you offer them money, they turn it down citing 'tradition'. One can only conclude that the bloodfest satisfies some primordial urge like drunken bacchanalian revelry. Unfortunately it's babies that suffer. And humans consider themselves superior? Time for humanity to take a good long look in the mirror, especially the idiots who wear fur thinking they look sexy. Do they realize they're equally guilty as the guy with the hook in his hands or the callous person in a fur farm skinning an animal alive?
this is sick, i hope these men die, no human that has feelings could do this to a poor helpless animal, they are cowards and evil and deserve to die a painful death!
wtf makes you humans and seal hunters think you are better than animals, they have feelings, they just cant talk ,yes we can generilise animals to humans, they were here long before humans and will be after so shut t f u with all your defensive crap and tbh dont give a crap about those men, cant really complain, they new the danger, and still took the job, it was their choice,
I am a student doing research on this topic and i stumble upon this website to find.. people who are for it and against it.. really i am against the whole thing!! This horrible hunt that happens in canada is awful! i read the comment about the cow, pig, and whichever animals they posted and the thing with that is we eat, and use the entire animal.. nothing is thrown away!!! the fact that the seal is smacked over the head ans stunned, stripped of its fur while some are still alive is the most horrific thing a creature can go through!!! does anyone eat the meat???? i have heard the chinese eat the penis of the seal (gross!!) but what wont they eat??? If this hunt is going to happen at least do it humanely (put to sleep)! If i ever come into large amounts of money, i will stop the hunt!! and yes it is sad to say im glad that god punished the sealers for doing this awful deed!!!!!
What goes around, comes around. It's called Karma. I was very elated to hear about the boating accident with fatalities. I shall pray more will follow. I pray the earth will open up and swallow these seal hunters. Seal hunters are cruel idiots-so should their fate be by the act of Providence.
In response to the last comment: observers were allowed on the ice floes this year (2008). The permits were not issued until the last minute, but were issued. Just read the articles on the Coast Guard colliding with an observation boat.
In response to the person asking why the seal didn't run away when it saw the other seal clubbed: the baby seals being killed are only two weeks old and cannot run away or move around yet. They are defenseless and rely on their mothers to come to them to nurse and protect them.
And yes they do use boat hooks to stun or kill the baby seals. Watch some of the footage at the HSUS website and you will see the different ways they kill the seals.
Lets just hope this ends before anymore humans or innocent seals die.
From a strict 17 year vegan who does not wear fur!
What a joke... that ain't no pup! No whitecoat!
How was this picture obtained? Considering only 5% are clubbed nowadays and the activists are having a hard time keeping up with the sealers, I doubt this picture was taken this year. Activists keep using pictures from the 60's to promote their twisted agendas, so that wouldn't surprise me. Seal pups have been off-limits to sealers since the 1980's so please stop saying pups are being killed.
To those of you saying these animals are treated/killed cruelly, well, I'll put it this way for you, they're free-range, sealers are now forced to ensure the animal is dead before skinning and the method of killing should not be mistaken for cruel (they club or shoot, the first kills instantly in 99% of cases, the second one was done to please activists and is more cruel than the first as some seals get shot, slide under the ice and die for nothing). Also, the entire animal is used for meat, oil and pelt.
I also would like to point out that cows, chickens, pigs, etc are killed every day and I don't hear your bleeding hearts for them... not cute enough for you? Hypocrites!
Corey, Elliot, Anne S. and Rebecca.... you 4 are the absolute WORST human beings I've ever heard of. Actually being HAPPY 4 men died? You are vile, sick, twisted individuals who only deserve to have your thoughts heard in a Newfoundland bar at 1:00am... then you would know what it's like to go 'toe to toe', as Corey put it, with a bunch of angry sealers!
Anne S., I've never heard anyone so misinformed about the seal hunt! Where do you get your statistics? the 1960's? PETA? Ever heard of population growth statistics? Sealers aren't 'ravaging stocks', they can't even kill enough every year for the population to remain stable, it's balooning to the point where more and more seals are spotted dying of starvation on the shores of Atlantic Canada. And you Activists are just making a bad situation worse. Will you stop eating beef if I show you how it's killed? or Chicken? We don't 'put these animals to sleep', we kill them, usually after stunning them.
Some people in this so-called civilized world seem to forget their meat once lived and breathed... and had to be killed at some point in a way that's usually not so pleasant to watch. Next time you stop by a farm, ask teh farmer to show you how he kills his animals (or castrates them, just as disturbing).
I am a vegetarian, so I am not a hypocrite as you suggest. Approximately half of the baby seals are alive and conscious when they are skinned, according to veterinarians. Even the head of veterinary sciences in Canada confirmed that approximately 42% are skinned alive. Veterinary science condemns the seal slaughter. Religious leaders of all the major faiths around the world also condemn the seal slaughter. At least the four men who died simply drowned, a merciful death compared to what they planned to do to the seals! There is absolutely no excuse for kicking baby seals in the face and skinning them alive! Canadians are vicious cowards, too evil to listen to reason. They have no moral compass and no soul. The world needs to pressure Canada to stop this barbaric carnage once and for all. A number of European countries already ban seal products and the EU will soon vote on a complete ban.
I would like to add that I feel perfectly confident blaming all Canadians for the atrocity of the seal slaughter. I am a United States citizen. My country banned the importation of all Canadian seal products in the 1970s. If you are so high and mighty and actually oppose the seal slaughter, your government would also have banned the seal slaughter back in the 1970s. You are complicit with this evil, so you might as well be swinging the hakapik yourselves.
Ralph, please.
Firstly, would I like to come to Canada? Er, No! Why? Well maybe because I don't want to support a country that believes in this level of cruelty.
Secondly, if I were to go on holiday, I would go somewhere with some, er
class and decadence.
Thirdly, if all people were as hideous and pompus as you... Definatly not!
And as for the person who said about Sharks, Whales etc eating Seals, hun, it's called Nature. It's what sharkes do, it's how they survive. This hideous barbaric excuse of 'making ends meat' just goes to show that America / Canada is all about eating (no wonder when 99% of both populations are classed as obese). Sure I'm glad they have died. These men have no feelings whatsoever. Lost souls? Do me a favour!
Now really Ralph, need I go on? I think not.
Now, what's a good airline to Canada to meet my friend Ralph...
Price of a box of bullets $15 ******************************************** **price of a new handle for my hakapic $3*********************************** **price of 3 tanks of fuel $65********************************************** **price on watching the faces on those Greenpeace---PRICELESS!!*************
'Ferryland Sealer'
Oh, our schooner and our sloop in Ferryland they do lie
They are already rigged to be bound for the ice
All you lads of the Southern we will have you to beware
She is going to the ice in the Spring of the year
[Chorus:]
Laddie whack fall the laddie, laddie whack fall the day
Our course be east-north-east for two days and two nights
Our captain he cried out 'Boys, look ahead for the ice!'
He hove her about standing in for the land,
And 'twas in a few hours we were firm in the jam.
Oh our captain he cried out, 'Come on boys and lend a hand!'
Our cook he gets the breakfast and each man takes a dram.
With their hats in their hands it was earlye for to go,
Every man showed his action 'thout the missing of a blow
Some were killing some were scalping, some were hauling on board,
Some more they were firing and a-missing of their loads.
In the dusk of the evening all hands in from the cold,
And we counted nine hundred fine scalps in the hold.
We are now off Cape Spear and in sight of Cape Broyle
We will dance, sing, carouse, my boys, in just a little while.
We will soon enjoy the charms of our sweethearts and friends,
But it will not be long before we're down to the bend.
The EU will ban all Canadian seal products. That will take away at least one-third of your market. The other two-thirds will never make it to market in Norway, China and Russia because it has to go through European ports first, where Canadian seal products will be banned. If you can't ship it, you can't sell it anywhere in the world!
So, seal hunters, I look forward to seeing the look on your collective faces -- PRICELESS!!!
To Chris - the animal rights people HAVE offered to pay off the baby seal killers. But they refuse the money! They think it's 'fun' to bash baby seals and rip their fur off. They're mentally ill people and I for one didn't shed a tear when some of them were stopped for good by the incompetent Coast Guard tipping their boat over.
Yes other forms of animal cruelty abound. Factory farms are hideous. But does that excuse bashing baby seals? Of course not. Factory farms process food out of animals, the baby seal killers don't even use the bodies for food they're all thrown away! Bloody carcasses on the ice, or thrown in the water. It's the most revolting, useless, wasteful slaughter of animals on the planet.
I for one do not have any sympathy at all for those murderers that died! I'm just sorry that more of them haven't met the same fate! Any human being that has the ability to do what they do are mentally insane! I say that because when watching video of this barbaric slaughter, you can see that these guys seem to enjoy what they do. They have absolutely no heart, no pride and certainly no compassion. I've watched the videos where mother seals are watching, helpless to do anything to save her only baby while it's being beaten to death! Mothers watch as their babies lay in a pool of blood gasping for air and dying a slow and unimaginable painful death! This is what is referred to as 'humane'?! This vicious slaughter has to stop and it never should have been allowed to happen to begin with.
for all those comments praising the deaths of those sealers you should be ashamed of yourselves ye are very ignorant low life's. that karma thing ye were talking about 'what goes around comes around' well its your turn soon! and don't worry us seal hunters will have our turn laughing at your misfortunes.oh by the way i will be going to the front this year too!
Did you know that in Norway last year they burned 10,000 baby seal pelts from Canada because they couldn't sell them? This has to be the saddest thing in the world. Ten thousand seal pups were brutally killed by vicious Canadian sealers and their pelts were subsequently destroyed because there was no market for them. Whether you call it karma or divine retribution, there is a force at work in the universe which exacts eternal punishment for pure evil, and that is what sealers are, PURE EVIL!
HEY!!!Anne S.Apr 4th, 2008 - 19:09:43 those 10,000 pelts did not come from Canada, that was Norway's hunt they got those seals of the east coast of Greenland! so get your facts straight before you write! man there are too many ignorant people out there its scary!
My source says they were purchased from Canada. Wherever they came from, and my source says Canada, it shows that these seals were killed gratuitously -- there wasn't even a market for them and yet they were killed in vast numbers and suffered immeasurably, and for what? So they could be ultimately burned up? How cruel these men are who smash in the faces of seal pups and rip their very skin off their bodies while they live and breathe and cry for pity. I am sure there is a special place in Hell for all of you. Then, you will be the ones being dragged by meathooks, scalped and eviscerated.
Dexter,I wonder if anyone seen the Oct 2007 National Geogrphic magazine where they import about a million cows a year tie there four legs and cut ther throats in the middle of the streets with people watching for a ritual slaughter.where's all the animal rights groups to,I guess they know where to to stay away from, I guess theres not enough money to be made on animals thats not considered cute.I thought all animals had feelings but I guess I'm wrong.If it was a seal getting killed squirting blood on the ice it would be a different story.If animal groups can only think about saving cute animals and forget the rest shame on them.I don't want to sound hateful or heartless like some of the comments I've read nor do I wish harm to anyone but maybe the wrong four people died.
IT'S A CRIME....STOP
this is signs for world going to end.we are silent against this tragedy,
one day god punish the all humans.i urge all president of the world.before to late
PLEASE STOP THIS GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!
this is for elliott.first and formost you are not my friend.what do you really want to do.come to canada or not.first you don't then you do in you're letter.let set things right first hand.now i am from eastern canada and i am a fisherman.do i think all seals r clubed right yes about 99%of the time.the other 1%r killed withen a few short seconds.now i am a lobster fisherman.and do i think the stock is in danger not 1 bit.i am not saying kill all the seals that is why there is a quoto.you probley think paying off the sealers is a good idea.well think again.last fishing season.frome seals i hade 20 traps i hade to replace 106 bait bages gone.now add up the cost of traps; bait bages; bait;and no bait no lobsters.that adds up 2 a really good guss 4300$ i lost.if they pay the sealers they r going to have to the rest of the fisherman to.if they stop the hunt the population will get much higher.now youre job take 4300 to 4700 off youre income would you be happy with that.come out with me some time.2 see first hand and take youre camera with you.by times the seals r so thick i have 2 sail around them to get a bunch of traps off....
this is sick.i hope the person who did this gets the same sick treatment he brought to this poor creature.
HARPSEALS.ORG!!!
to think that people would actually cheer for the tragic death of fellow human beings makes me think they would send people to their death for having different beliefs or racial backgrounds. Whether you agree with sealing or not, you have lost touch with reality to cheer about the anguish some families are dealing with right now. Not the sign of a well-balanced rational mind. so much for your enlightened intelligence. you claim to respect all forms of life, yet you say something so stupid. shame on you. I hope you never have to suffer what those families are. maybe if you did it would make you a more caring human being.
i hate hunters and i hate sealers a person has to be heartless to do this kind of stunt
With the disappearance of those four murderers the world is less evil. One small step at a time.
WHY DA HELL WOULD YOU WANNA HURT A FRIKKEN ANIMAL THAT DONE NBOTHIN TO YOU AND YOU DONT HAVE A REASON FOR DOING IT AYE!!!!???
I THINK THAT IOS JST SO WRONG THAT THEY CAN DO THIS!!! seals are the cutest animal in the world!!!
i think it shoul;d be illegal!!!!!!
Anne s you idiot............ china and russia have their own ports fool
I get why they HAVE to do it..Like to feed families and stuff... I mean i you really really have to, breed them and then kill them humanly.. It may cost a lot extra but Im sure people will pay a little more for humanly killed seals then them just being out on the ice being clubbed to death..
I totually agree with the people who say this is inhuman...but how DARE you wish that men supporting their family DIE because of what they do for a living???I am totually agaist the seal killing for cheap fashion but you can NOT wish they died a slow death...we are all to used to our boring lives to really understand what they probably go through...and no i do not do this or anything like this for a living. I work in an office at a desk.
uh j cline who cares? its not that they kill seals - its that they injure them then skin them alive or drag them across the ice still alive.... ur just an insensitive canadian jerk
is there any companies that guide these hunts out? i would like to try it once just to say ive done it.. i know it would probably be a couple grand or so to fly up there and rent a club, but i think it would be money well spent. Please post back
awww, i would fight evryone of the seal hunters out there. i would teach them a lesion on not to attack a poor defencless seal
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