katiebJun 30th, 2005 - 20:22:32

Brian, '
I noticed you did not answer my question. Could it be that you know that vitamins and exercise and whatever other stuff scientology spits at you guys is just a bunch of gibberish?

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flipsideJul 1st, 2005 - 11:12:44

You people are all pathetic and really need something better to do with your lives than sit around and baitch about what Tom said,get the hell over it ,he's allowed to say what he likes and no one can do anything about it .

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katiebJul 5th, 2005 - 22:00:05

To flipside,

You are bitching alsoc ,complaining about people's posts ,you get over it.

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hayleyJul 7th, 2005 - 14:54:55

I really think it is irrisponsible for tom to be saying that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. If not given medicine, people with for example, bipolar, could keep having relapses and could commit suiside. I think he should take a walk in someones shoes who does have a mental illness.

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meganJul 7th, 2005 - 18:26:25

i think tom is uneducated on this subject and shouldn't be making comments about it from his lack of expericience.

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yahleyJul 7th, 2005 - 18:33:55

Leia i agree with you my sister and mother suffer from bipolar and i don't kno where they would be w/out medication. I really hope Katie doesn't suffer from postpartum depression.

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dragonflyJul 13th, 2005 - 23:05:50

I think people who can't bring a person who is mentally ill, back to actual physical health, but only drug them into a false high - as Brian rightfully indicated - have no business being touted as authorities. They are, in fact, false authorities.

As psychiatry has placed itself in a medical field, it is bound by the strict disciplines of scientific proof - however wrongfully. It should not be afforded the luxury of making medical diagnosis based on research which is strewn with language such as 'may be' and 'we believe' and 'inconclusive'. To claim a disease based on research with such language is PSEUDO-SCIENCE! A researcher's or medical professional's BEST GUESS simply is not acceptable as a scientific standard. Best guesses can too easily be bought by pharmaceutical drug money. Even the APA admits there is no conclusive test with which to diagnose a chemical imbalance. I think it was Duke Universities chief of the psychiatry department that said that most of psychiatry is guess work, and if one theory doesn't work, you simply try another. That is why psychiatry is *different* than actual medicine.

To illustrate the problem, let's take a look at what happens to the human body when a person thinks, perceives and emotes. When you experience a loss you often get sad and cry. At that moment, a 'chemical' reaction occurs in your body which results in tears. In normal life, When you are sad, you can often resolve it by getting your attention redirected toward happier things and times. At that point, the chemical 'imbalance' cures itself - you stop crying. Another example of this is when you are scared, the adrenal glands go into overtime to direct you away from the perceived danger or when you are angry, again they go into high production, aka fight or flight mode. One can decide to control their emotions and do so, or decide not to and look like a terrorized chimpanzee. It is easy to see that at least part of your emotional system is controlled by YOU voluntarily, your thoughts, your decisions. There are times when one feels they cannot control their own emotions. The question then becomes, are these chemicals controlled BY YOU, or do THEY control you?? It comes down to the chicken and the egg theory and psychiatry has never, ever resolved this question. Drugs can only alter a person's physical perceptions, which causes them to change their decisions and thereby alter their behavior and emotions. But drugs often does so in a wildly unpredictable way, which is why they are dangerous.

The chemical imbalance theory can logically extend to ANY of one's actions, and eventually abdicate responsibility for all of them. This theory, as postulated, is a downward spiral which leads to attempts to control one's behavior by chemicals and genetic manipulation toward more 'acceptable' behaviors. This is how the idea of 'genetic inferiority' got its start.
To state that it's your brain and nervous system making all of the decisions relinquishes personal responsibility, and degrades your own status from human being to human animal.

It can be argued that the basic problem with psychiatry is that it is in the WRONG FIELD. They try to make spiritual and mental problems over into medical problems constantly without scientific, medical proof of physical disease, disorder or abnormality. All they can point to is the chemical RESULT of emotion and thought. Observing a person's behavior is not valid scientific proof as there can be an infinity of causes for behavior.

Now, originally in Dianetics, L. Ron Hubbard discusses his discovery of the engram - a recording of pain imprinted deeply into the cellular structure itself and manifesting in compulsions, and unwanted emotions. This then lead to a drugless therapy which actively resolved these things, without giving up any responsibility for one's actions. However, when he began to ask the question of 'who or what was looking at these mental images', he discovered that mental healing belonged in the field of religion - not medicine. You will find no effort in Dianetics to create hundreds of labels, and classifications of behavior because there is literally a million different ways in which the involuntary portion of a person's mind can impose itself. However, there is a basic cause and a remedy for all of them, which leads right back to the spiritual being coming into full control of himself and his own actions.

L. Ron Hubbard also had the utmost respect for pregnant women, and has an entire section of the book devoted to pregnancy and pre-natal experience.

www.dianetics.org.

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