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By April MacIntyre Jun 6, 2009, 18:41 GMT
Mel Gibson's Holy Family church member speaks out
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she needs to looks bankable ofr 5 more months so that she can get a name ofr ehrslef at least thats what she thinks and try ot do.
I dont think sh eis pregy and ia m sure that she wasnt pregnant at al in april
i am very sure that if she becae pregy adffterward it wasnt of mel gisbon but of music producer david foster.
convenient name lol
i dont understand what is goign on cause mel isnt livign with ehr and she is trying ot make mpney in all kind of way and is extortign money form him of course for all the info she got about himm and his family.
she si also stagignherself and the situation by controlign the media.
her signature is clear extreme articles á la oksana pochepa, with her the good guy and him th ebad guy with htings who do not make sensse at all and doesnt add up.
they arent livign together so he dont want her thats clear.
we never saw her pregy so i doubt there is pregnacy.
whe oyu are super skiny as she is you cant be 3 month pregy without showing a thing.
and in worse she had loads of sheets wraped yup around her waist on the picutres form the wolverine premiere.
so its all a farce.
i do hope htat she od not show he rface at agoura hill.
i can tell oyu tha tin private Mel Gibson call her a s-l-u-t and the alike and that he od not like her at all.
so there is a dicrepency between what hwe hear and what is really going on.
what he said at leno wasnt in his plan he wanted to bash ehr out but couldnt in case the kid wa shis but what he said there was staged by her.
like a praisign of he rmusical talent. thus shenever played rachmanikovan di seriosuly doubt that Mle Gibson ever heard music by the guy.
I think h elike bette rto losten ot Bon jovi and bruce springsteen.
she cant paly thats evident oyu have to practice 4 ot 8 hours a day everyday to remain a good classical musician no mater the instrument
and what sh edoes is to pise naked on a piano, htats nto part of the music conservatorium education.
that training she got it else where.
and thats all she can do.. wiht her hands..
i do not think that you can play piano with long nails..
she is a fake an hoax on two legs.
now how on earth coudl MG be soo fooled and ofr so long and what can he do now and ios he doing now?
i a, pretty sure that he wants her evicted form sherman oaks.
and he would like to see her evicted form USA as well.
sh eis on limited time here, she has enfglsih citizenship not american and she can only stay based on ehr adess at sherman oaks and her fausle meembership atr record label. her plan is to give birth on american soil so that the child is american and by extension she can apply for american citizenship
she is an imigrant trying to cheat the system.
i think that she is clinicaly insane.
her behaviour is the one of soemen obseesed wiht fame an dmoney and with breakign marriages and creatign turmoil totaly indifferent ot the sufferign she cause others and only lokign ofr publicitty of the worse kind jsut like a psychopath and a serial killer do!
david foster is divorcing his wife because of her too.. and he also bought her a house, in Santa Monica.
isnt it crazy?
plan A and B ..
unless she got somehting very seriosu on him, i do not see why he dont evict her form his house in sherman hoaks
I hope there is no child, and that if there is, MG is not the father of it.
because it will be a nightmare not only for him but for all his other kids and family to ahve to deal with the descendant of a who.. and to ahve to hear from her for years to come.
a lifelong hell.
she got him because she had no sense of moral and absolutly no ethic.
I can also add that she has been stalkign him for a very long while, never givign up and doing the poor d. foster in between.
Where did all the comments go??? Too hot??
ordinary Catholic said: [No one is being cast out for the sin of gossip. A person was asked to leave for stalking a celebrity and selling exaggerated stories to a tabloid. An obsessed, angry fan shouldn't go the same church as her celebrity target. That's just common sense.]
anonymously parishioner said: 'He calmly walked up to the altar after mass finished and simply asked for everyone not to gossip about his personal affairs.'
Since when do parishioners walk up to the altar after mass, and ask everyone not to gossip about them?
anonymously parishioner said: 'What he did say, is that if he continues to see gossip about him in the media... that is, information that could only come from people who are at the church... he would make the church 'by invitation only' - not 'shut it down.''
Again, if there was a stalker (and the article refers to star gazers, and business opportunists), or any other problem why didn't he talk to his Priest, and let HIM decide how to handle things, like everyone else? How would a parishioner have it their power to make that decision anyway?
Ordinary Catholic.
I don't underestimate the problems caused by both alcoholism and bi-polar depression - I have three friends who suffer from bi-polar, and one who is also an alcoholic.
But here's the thing, Mel Gibson has no excuse for not seeking help, both for his alcoholism, 'sex-addiction' and his bi-polar condition. On medication and with therapy my friends are able to maintain a steady course. What's Mr Gibson's excuse for not availing himself of every means at his disposal to stay on track? Unfortunately it's easier to blame everything on an illness in order to avoid taking responsibility for one's own actions. And unless he loses contact with reality and becomes psychotic, he is still considered legally sane and responsible for his actions.
Scripture says to whom much has been given much is required. I think more than anything else I am overwhelmed by his total disregard for what God has given him. This man has been given so much in this life. He had a wife who seemed to have stuck by him no matter what. He's got seven seemingly normal and healthy kids. He has a large family. He has an outlet for his creativity, which he gets paid for. And he's possibly the most gifted actor on the planet. Yet he's still behaving like an immature self-serving, irresponsible ingrate. And please don't tell me that impregnating his mistress justifies divorcing his wife and 'abandoning' his family. By the way, on Youtube under, 'Mel Gibson's illegitimate son' you will find a video and comments. And I do believe Carmel Sloane is his offspring. After all we know that Mel, as a 'good' Catholic does not believe in birth control - however, adultery, it seems, is optional.
I thought he had changed. I thought he had a real relationship with Jesus Christ (not merely religion). But he fooled us all. He pretended to be a real Christian just long enough to make the movie TPOTC from which he made his money and it's been a downward slide into the gutter ever since. We are judged by our fruits.
Truthfully, he's becoming more an object of ridicule every day and that's because his behaviour is that of an old buffoon. And all of this comes at a tremendous cost to the Christian world.
Christ is ridiculed because of our behaviour.
Very odd... yesterday as I was posting and reading the other comments, all the comments disappeared... a friend of mine who was posting had the same thing happen to her, and she is on another continent, so it wasn't just my computer. (no, not the crazy typist poster... someone else. I am NOT friends with a body of water~heh!)
Now I can see them again, and others were posting when we couldn't. What gives? (I posted the short post about the comments being too hot, on Google's cached page.) The page here on M&C ended with the word Talkback... nothing else showed for about 18 hours or so.
Well, whatever...
ordinary Catholic, you know far too much about traditional Catholics to not be one... you also know way too much about Mel Gibson, speaking with assurance as to what goes on with him, and his chapel, and his life. You give yourself away repeatedly with your terms and the way you express yourself. Sam is right, hello Gibson family member!
Revel, I agree totally with your post, and the most poignant part is the last line, that Christ is ridiculed for our behaviour. This just made my heart ache, because it is so true. When we Christians do not lead Christian lives, it gives the blasphemeous, the wicked, the cynics, and the weak, fodder and sustenance for their attacks on Christ and His Church.
It is so ironic that Mel should be the cause of this, as he helped draw so many closer to God, and for what? He is now a rock of scandal.
He has done harm to the spiritual lives of
ALL Christians, not just Catholics. The movie was watched by more Protestants
than Catholics, and it helped very many of them... it was healing and brought
about many conversions from lives of sin, to draw them closer to God. And now...
by his example, he has undone much of the good he did. It was people who were
weak in their faith who needed it the most, and they are the ones who are most
vulnerable even now. It is a real tragedy.
To clarify, we don't know that Mel Gibson is mentally ill in a clinical sense. Alcohol is toxic and can create symptoms similar to bi-polar disorder, for example. It's also a known depressant. I think however, there's evidence to suggest he may have profound psychological problems, and I think it's fair to say he should seek help in that area. If these stories are true this isn't the first, and won't be the last opportunist to cross his path otherwise. But it may be a symptom of his spiritual and emotional state.
The comments disappeared and now are back. That's weird.
I'm not going to even try to decipher the post(s) by Ocean. They make my head hurt.
Revel, I appreciate your comments on bi-polar disorder, but I still maintain that neither you nor I know what Mel Gibson struggles with. Yes, Mel's publicity team has always put forward the image of Mel having a happy family life and marriage, but obviously that wasn't completely true. And I don't see why you are accusing him of divorcing his wife, let alone abandoning his family. Robyn sued Mel for divorce, and I think that if Mel had his way, there would be no divorce.
Back to the illegitamate children issue, there are no youtube results for Mel Gibson illegitimate son. You still haven't supported your slanderous accusation.
And it's really hard for me to take seriously the argument that Mel made TPOTC for the money. He sacrificed and lost too much from the fallout from that film.
Maybe you feel angry and betrayed by Mel Gibson for his failings, but that doesn't give you the right to spread slander and detraction.
Trad Catholic, why do you continue to accuse me of lying? There's nothing I know about your ilk or Mel Gibson that isn't abundantly obvious on the internet. There's nothing like the cesspool of Rad Trad blogs and message boards to turn a person off from the movement. Paranoid much? I guess that's something you have in common with Mel.
Fraudulent, if you go to the Mel Gibson wikipedia article, he has said he is 'manic depressive.' That's why I brought up bi-polar disorder.
'Ordinary Catholic' (who I don't think is very ordinary) Revel said it perfectly. Lots of good posts here and I am glad to see them back.
' But here's the thing, Mel Gibson has no excuse for not seeking help, both for his alcoholism, 'sex-addiction' and his bi-polar condition. On medication and with therapy my friends are able to maintain a steady course. What's Mr Gibson's excuse for not availing himself of every means at his disposal to stay on track? Unfortunately it's easier to blame everything on an illness in order to avoid taking responsibility for one's own actions. And unless he loses contact with reality and becomes psychotic, he is still considered legally sane and responsible for his actions.'
Mel has the terrible handicap of being a successful producer, director and actor in Hollywood with all the temptations that go along with that but he also has all the means of escaping it. He isn't exactly a prisoner in a gulag being tortured until he gives in. He also has the grace to avoid sin, which is Catholic teaching. He was raised as a Catholic and knows better, unlike most in Hollywood. God gives us all the grace necessary to stay sin free each day, it's up to us to respond to it, and to say otherwise is not only doubting God but also selling Mel short. I give him more credit than you do. He has mental quirks and issues but strikes me as very intelligent and sane or else someone should lock him up for his own sake and his family's sake. He should clear out all his YES MEN and sycophants and decide who really loves him and isn't just USING him. A person who loves him would remind him of his Faith daily. Admonishing sinners is a spiritual work of mercy. I think he'd probably be more sane and a lot happier (true happiness) with some inner peace and honesty. He is no longer a free man but has landed himself in bondage to sin. Oksana never was free. His creativity is going to shrivel away in this mess, mark my words.
Ocean is posting rants all over the boards in different names and sounds like she might get a pass for true insanity. Just ignore
Sam
Will someone address my query about Mel making personal requests at the alter, after service and announcing a possible change in the list of who worships there and who doesn't. Is this standard in Trad Catholicism? In every other place of worship it's the clergy who steer the vessel, not parishioners, even the patrons. Try doing that at St. Patricks. This set-up almost seems symptomatic of the man's problems.
To: Orindary Catholic
I did not lie to you. My apologies, I gave you the incorrect title to the link re Mel's illegitimate son.
It is 'Mel Gibsons love child in sexy dancing shocker'. If you read the comment by his half/step brother for confirmation. I'm sure he could be sued for claiming to be Mel's son if indeed he is not.
To Ordinary Catholic
PS/ I do know that technically Robyn Gibson is divorcing Mel Gibson. But what choice did this poor woman have? Seems she's spent her entire marriage with a man who is a serial womanizer, alcoholic and a bi-polar sufferer. How much more public shame is she expected to handle? Dear God, she deserves a medal of honour for putting up with him for as long as she did.
But what Gibson did to her by parading his pregnant mistress to the world BEFORE the divorce is final has shown the world this man has no class, no decency, no character and ABSOLUTELY NO CONSCIENCE.
I read an article the other day that likened the manic phase of bi-polar to sociopathy/psychopathy/anti-social personality disorder - they have one thing in common - NO CONSCIENCE.
He's was once a very handsome man and, I thought, and still think, he's an extraordinarily good actor, but that means nothing now. And what I think we all dread is seeing him in a few years like Nick Nolte and David Hassel(whatever), lying drunk in their vomit and urine in public places.
Handsome is as handsome does.
This will be my last post. Nice chatting with you Ordinary Catholic and God bless.
Revel,
nice chatting with you too. I'll only add that the title of the youtube video looks like a joke to me. I'm fairly confident that the stepbrother comment by ollywog82 was facetious.
Fraudulent. your point was well taken but there are so many good ones on these boards it's hard to know which to applaud without being redundant. No it is not usual behavior for an ordinary Catholic to stand up in front of the altar to reprimand fellow church-goers, especially in front of the Blessed Sacrament. He made his problems everyone's regardless of the fact that there were many people there, children most of all, who had never believed the rumors, don't watch Leno, never read the Enquirer and had no need to know. It was all about him, not Our Lord or anyone else.
Because of one person who is reporting, all were admonished. What is being ignored is that Mel has been the active head of a huge religious movement that I now believe is dangerous. Preserving the old Mass is just a smoke screen because nothing else is preserved. To be taken seriously he should have been careful his life was beyond reproach but he has done the opposite and expects even other Catholics to applaud him like the audience in Leno then follow him to oblivion. He has made Christianity a laughing stock once again. It is quite like Luther and Henry VIII
Fraud, Revel and Trad Catholic - your comments leave little else to be said. Bravo.
Ordinary Catholic, I am more convinced than ever you are a family member. The defense of this Judas is like spitting in Christ's face. Who would pick on Robyn, insinuating how miserable poor wittle Melly boy was, but a family member? Why doesn't Hutton speak out and reaffirm the Catholic teachings against adultry and fornication? He benefits from this, that's why
Hold on there, mister. Where did I pick on Robyn?
Sammy I know this is not protocol for ordinary Catholics, I doubt it's protocol for any house of worship on earth. It's reeks of a cult, one person of power makes the rules for many, and implements and suspends them at will. It's not about God, guiding principles, love, spirit, or even due process. Anyway thanks for the discourse.
It would seem that Ordinary Catholic is in the 'know' somehow about the situation. Not Mrs Leno by any chance? If you are truly a Catholic then you know that yes it is wrong to indulge in malicious gossip. But what is gossip? It is idle talk or rumour. Can you honestly say that this is idle talk or rumour? It may have been before Mr Gibson went walkabout with his girlfriend or appeared on the Leno show but is isn't anymore. It is also of grave concern to a lot of traditional Catholics who looked up to the man as an example of what a traditional Catholic could be - not any more and it has caused a lot of people a lot of hurt Who can blame them for crying out against such a let down.
Christ did not say we were not to judge, to say such a thing shows ignorance. We are to judge with righteous judgement those who sin and break God's laws. We are also to make sure that when we judge we do it mercifully but nevertheless with justice and that we have looked into our own faults first. Those who condemn others for judging are usually making rash judgements themselves.
Mel Gibson set himself up as 'spokesman' on Catholic matters, he built a church, his father has a website dedicated to saying what is wrong with other Catholics. This gives others the right to judge him on his actions and unfortunately his actions speak volumes.
If I was at that chapel I would sure get out now because it is not a place where true Catholic values and true Catholic discipline can florish free from constraint. Let alone expose children to such example.
Pearl
It is naive and offensive to all of those who like Mel Gibson to suggest that only his family members, close friends, or those dependent on him, could ever find any reason to stand up for him or judge him positively as a human being. That is the worst prejudice. Many, many people have sympathy for Mel Gibson and many, many people are fed up with these continual attacks on him. We should not make people our idols, when we do so we are wrong ourselves. A number of people might have expected Mel Gibson to adhere to high standards, many others however never required that as a condition to accept him as an adequate, likable and dignified human being. Just like they don't judge others that way. Did he put himself on a pedestal? I have listened to many interviews, throughout many years, and if anyone is continually telling us that Mel Gibson is extremely flawed it is Mel Gibson himself. I could give a long list to support that statement for anyone who doubts it, but I won't. Mel Gibson did not elect himself to be called the perfect Catholic, he just opted to share his vision about the crucifixion. And if only those who are perfect may share that story and their interpretation of it, we might as well never tell the story again. No-one would measure up to the requirements according to the Christian concept of sin.
Also, all that is mentioned here in the comment section is common knowledge for anyone who truly takes the trouble to be informed, suggesting that being thoroughly informed is somehow 'suspect' is a wrong doing. If we are going to go that way I would have to say that it is more suspect to judge while not having this overall and specific knowledge. The less one knows about any matter, the less accurate one can judge the case.
No one was making him an idol, he did it himself - doh! All he had to do was behave like any other decent Catholic husband and father. Not a lot to ask is it? Or are you suggesting that we should somehow treat him differently? Now which is it? You see whichever way you cut it - he is in that position which God put him in and he has responsibilities. You can't have it both ways - you can't expect people to treat him like an ordinary man if he doesn't behave like one.
Pearl,
'It is also of grave concern to a lot of traditional Catholics who looked up to the man as an example of what a traditional Catholic could be ... Who can blame them for crying out against such a let down'
This is part of the problem. Put not your trust in princes or Hollywood actors.
'We are to judge with righteous judgement those who sin and break God's laws. We are also to make sure that when we judge we do it mercifully but nevertheless with justice and that we have looked into our own faults first. Those who condemn others for judging are usually making rash judgements themselves.'
Is this closer to Landover Baptist or Quentin Tarantino???
'Mel Gibson set himself up as 'spokesman' on Catholic matters, he built a church, his father has a website dedicated to saying what is wrong with other Catholics'
I must have missed when Mel Gibson acted as a spokesman on Catholic matters. He must have done this in the same way he set himself up as a spokesman for Medieval Scottish history, Mayan affairs, and wacky cops with a death wish.
'If I was at that chapel I would sure get out now because it is not a place where true Catholic values and true Catholic discipline can florish free from constraint. Let alone expose children to such example.'
Why does he eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
The problem with Mel Gibson's chapel isn't that its patron is/was in an adulterous relationship. The problem is the obstinate refusal of its directors to submit to the Roman Pontiff.
'No one was making him an idol, he did it himself - doh! All he had to do was behave like any other decent Catholic husband and father. Not a lot to ask is it? Or are you suggesting that we should somehow treat him differently?'
How do you behave to your Catholic family and neighbors when they sin? If you exhibit the same judgmental, non-charitable attitude that you show on the internet, you may help drive them further away from God and the Church.
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