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By Stone Martindale May 11, 2007, 14:53 GMT
Mitt Romney against 'Big Love'
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Why is Romney on trial here for strange social practices in his religion over a century ago, or strange statments made by Brigham Young? This is completely unfair and bigoted. Who is coming through the history of other candidates' religions to find strange practices or statements in the past? Look at the prejudice against blacks in the South up until the 1960s, for example, 90% of Baptist churches in the south allowed NO blacks to be members, it was segregation, until the 1960s. Where is all the talk about this and related issues in all of the southern presidential candidates over the years. Nada. The press is just looking for attention-grabbing sound bites, this is a non-issue. Get back to the issues, our country is going bankrupt, the economy is in a tailspin and the international security issues are huge, we are running out of energy, destroying the planet, and not even providing health care to America's poor. Wake up and smell the coffee folks, or for Mitt, I guess wake up and smell the hot chocolate... :)
interesting...the Mormon against the Moron (with a whitemans hair cut)
I find it of concern that Mr. Romney 'can't imagine anything more awful than polygamy.' Certainly, this practice has been harmful to people in the past (and, in some cases, in the present), but there are many arguably 'more awful' things happening the world . . . the Darfur genocide, the Iraq civil war, or, if you don't want to look that far afield, the decay of our own country's educational infrastructure to the point where the middle class can barely afford a college education, let alone the low-income and poor families and individuals out there. I would hope that our nation's next leader could look beyond the specifics of a particular religious faith and get on with the business of leading a whole nation.
Romney's religion is important, because peoples religious veiws have a huge effect on their attitudes, beliefs, actions, and sensibilities. If George Bush was not the 'holier than thow' born again christian on a mission from god that he is, seperation of church and state would still exist, the rest of the world might not hate america, and women's health care issues would still lie firmly in the control of accredited physicians. In this day and age a politicians religous views are a big issue.
The problem with discussing the merits of the Mormons (LDS) history and LDS beliefs is it opens discussion on the merits and beliefs of Christianity and Judism. You can select text from any of these religions see they are all filled with whacko ideas. Each is a spin off from the previous religion. The book of Mormon is just so current, that it can be easily shown as complete fraud. Christians eat the body of Christ, and blood of Christ every Sunday.
In the old testiment, God asked Abraham to kill his son on an alter. Kind of a sick God? Tall tales in each religion. Great for movies, not for reality.
jenibeth,
I think when he said, 'I can't imagine anything more awful than polygamy', I think he was talking on a male/female relationship basis. I do not think he is putting that in the same category as world hunger and genocide.
Mitt Romney should not be judged against obscure comments made by past leaders of his faith. I'm sure if you did some digging, you would find racist comments from past leaders of Catholicism, Protestant churches, Islam, Buddhism, etc. MEDIA: Please do not single out a 21st century candidate because of comments stated by a religious leader from the 19th century! Give him a break!
Mormons aside, polyamory is alive and growing in the US, and around the world.
Ask my wife, or my lover, or my wife's lover.
What the FLDS folks practice is a male-dominated thing that is very unlike the common practice of polyamory outside mormon circles. Put 'polyamory' into google to learn more.
I don't begrudge the man his religion, but I do think it's amusing that he's seen as somewhat of an idiot for believing one set of 'holy stories' by people who have a different set of 'holy stories' that are every bit as incoherent.
Do we really need a scary guy in the sky to force us to be kind to each other?
I don't think so.
Only liberal racists are allowed to live their lives without being questioned. If you are a conservative like David Duke, forget it. If you're just as bad of a racist but your liberal then you're given a pass. Examples: Maxine Waters, (D) CA, Robert 'KKK' Byrd, (D)Sen WVl, Mary Senger, racist founder of Planned Abortionhood.
I'm sure plenty a woman would rather be a rich man's second (or third, fourth, etc.) wife, than a poor man's first wife.
The mormon faith says they no longer believe in polygamy, but in their 'Doctrine and Covenants' (considered to be sacred scripture) in section 132, It expains that polygamy is an eternal law and will be practiced in the afterlife, as well as here on earth. Maybey they should delete this section.
I cannot see why LDS history is made an issue for Romney. Does anyone recall Kennedy (Catholic) being asked about the Spanish Inquisition? Also, his family's polygomy was four or five generations ago, while Barak Obama's father ... ONE GENERATION ... was a bigomist. So why isn't this an issue with Obama? It all comes down to a one-sided media trying working the double standard!
This story isn't well-written. Why the quote by Brigham Young about blacks? It has no place in the story. The story is about Romney and his comments on polygamy and tying in a quote from Young on blacks in an effort to prove racism is cheap, at best. Thanks for reporting Romney's comments, as the headline indicated--halfway down the page.
the story holds up why the flap about polygamy is more important that the racism inherent in Mormonism-and it is dead on.
You are reading the article 'poorly.'
As far as the comment made stating 'obscure statements', you must understand these statements were made by what mormons consider prohets and apostles, and there fore taken as Doctrine.
For is it limited to Brigham Young or Joseph Smith. 20th Century leader have made simialr comments: Spencer Kimball, Bruce McConkie, Joesph F Smith, Ezra T Benson. The rhetoric died out in 1978 when blacks were allowed to hold the priesthood.
Sorry - Mormonism's heritage bespeaks copious amounts of racist doctrine - Even the Book of Mormon's morality tales speak (often) of god turning skin 'white and delightsome', or 'dark and loathsome' according whethor or they followed god's commandments. This is what they 'believe', and Mitt is a believer in the words of the prophets and apostles, otherwise his temple recommend is invalid.
The discussion of the origins of Native Americans is another issue that is similarly flawed.
Seperation of Church and State. Maybe our Forefathers had a reason for that?
Why does the media dig up this dirt up? Why do we allow the presidential race to become this 'Hollywood Drama Fest'? Its time for us to stop. The President is here to run the country not be portrayed as a hollywood tabliod.
Look at the presidential campaign in france. 85% of the population voted and sadly neither of those candidates would have even made it to the presidential race in our country because of their private lifes. France the country we make fun of in the USA shows more maturity and diginity than we do in our presidential race.
It is time for us Americans to open up our eyes and ask and expect things do be done in regards to Education, prison system, health care, and staying the strongest economy in the world. Wake Up People All our Major Companies are leaving here and going to third world countries and selling us products that everyone else is paying 3 times less for in the world. I feel like Im being scammed. Thats The candidate I want someone who is going to solve the problems.
I dont care about race, religion, sex and any private part of their lives.
Xotie has it right and some of the other folks are missing the point. These are not just statements by some Mormon. The founders of the church, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are factually racist polygamists. That is akin to a quote from Jesus spewing hate against fellow humans. Mormonism also believes that any member can speak directly to God and must follow Gods wishes. Very dangerous belief that has led to horrible crimes that God has 'sanctioned'. Not exactly what we need in the white house.
How come Al Sharpton can make bigoted comments and then say I'm sorry I didn't mean it and every thing goes away. Imus said I'm sorry I didn't mean it and he was crucified in the news for weeks and then lost his job. Al Sharpton makes racist remarks but that's ok. Now somehow Rommney is getting dragged through the mud for his religious beliefs because of something somebody else said. Racism is racism and its not ok, I don't care who you are.
I wish my pastor would let ME practice polygamy! But do I really have to be married to more women? I only wanted to have a littel fun with Monica, not marry her.
Why is he being scrutinized for something his ancestors did over a century ago? 90% of the people in congress and senate had grandparents who were slave owners.
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