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By Stone Martindale May 11, 2007, 14:53 GMT
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Just curious. How does having 10+ wives help them populate the territory faster when one considers the fact there was not a shortage of males.
The polygamy favored the elite, and was all about selfishness, as it usually is.
You should have done more research. Romney was on Jay Leno last week and did talk about the church's past with African-Americans. Nice try.
Probably no Mormon scripture has been changed more times than the prophecy Concerning the Lamanites (Indians) in II Nephi 30:6. Mormonism has consistently taught a dark skin is a sign of God's displeasure. (see II Nephi 5:21, Alma 3:6, I Nephi 12:23)
However, with the change of the Negroes receiving the Priesthood in 1978, Mormon leaders are attempting to cover up this embarrassing teaching concerning skin color.
'... many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a WHITE and a delightsome people.' (1830 Edition, p. 117)
'... PURE and delightsome people.' (1840 Edition)
'...WHITE and delightsome people.' (All later editions until 1981)
'... PURE and delightsome people.' (1981 Edition, II Nephi 30:6)
Although the Mormon Church does not have the dictated, handwritten manuscript of the Book of Mormon at this point, the R.L.D.S. Church has the handwritten printers copy, which was given to the printer to set the type for the first printing. It too agrees with the 1830 Edition and says, 'WHITE.'
From my perspective, he has little chance in becoming a president. Given the racist Mormon doctrine and bizarre concepts of Gods and planets, I believe rational people will support an individual who can be trusted to make the right decision for the right reasons. Not from a faith that is based on surreal concepts.
Kurt--Mormons are Heretics...that's what all the hubbub is about
'John P.May 11th, 2007 - 18:34:51
Arguing online is like racing in the Special Olympics... if you win, you're still retarded.'
He's absolutely right!
Sincerely,
Retarded (formally known as Rational)
What is the big whoop about Polygamy? We have libnazi's prattling on about gay civil unions. Why is it anyone's business who you associate with?
Why are you trying to put the past in the present? What about the history of the Catholic church before Martin Luther and other protestors? What about what John McCain's great great grandfather did? Or what about any of the other candidates religion's history? Didn't a lot of people in this nation feel about blacks (in the 1800s) just like Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
The libnazi driveby slime machine really can't let a Mormon get a free ticket up the ladder, no matter what. A Marxist? Absolutely, but not a Mormon.
Here is a guy who exemplifies bipartisanship, a conservative governor in THE liberal state! If you can't embrace that, how can anyone talk about bipartisanship?
No one is without a history that seems repulsive to us now. It comes from our misunderstanding of the historical context. What about Jesus Christ calling a woman a Dog because she was a different race (Matthew 15:26). READ IT. It doesn't make me Think less of Christ.
don't let black sharpton hear that
' Didn't a lot of people in this nation feel about blacks '
What ' nation ' ? After 25 years of education i see no nation that is not ' racist ' not even in Africa .
That is just the way human being are . If you are talking about the Uninted States of America nation , at leat they admit it and expose it and make movies and television shows about it criticizing themselves .
Many feel that Mormonism is simply a cult founded by the convicted criminal, Joseph Smith. The church holds records of his criminal conviction in NY for money digging and fraud, AND being a disorderly person. He killed two men in a shootout, after destroying a printing press that printed an opposing viewpoint to his dictatorial rule. He had 35 wives. He was involved in financial frauds and scandals. The church under B.Young committed the Mountain Meadows massacre in which men, women and children were gunned down en masse. They follow Masonic rituals (Joe was a Mason) which are closely modeled on witchcraft. (the special underwear is to ward off evil spirits)
The doctrine is heavily whitewashed and they attempt to appear mainstream.
The original doctrines and temple rituals are largely unknown to most members, the church practices 'Milk before Meat' (cult love bombing before revealing the strange doctrine many years later)
They fit almost every point for destructive cults. (secretive, paranoid, outside the mainstream, follow charasmatic leader, require large amounts of money and time from adherents)
Check out exmormon.org for the chilling tales and escapes of members from this cult.
This is a quick response to your blurb about Mormons sustaining D&C scripture twice a year about plural marriage. The scripture you quoted is correct, but you must also understand that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints must follow and obey the laws of the land.
Article of Faith # 12 says, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.'
This is a quick response to your blurb about Mormons sustaining D&C scripture twice a year about plural marriage. The scripture you quoted is correct, but you must also understand that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints must follow and obey the laws of the land.
Article of Faith # 12 says, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.'
Americans practice polygamy too, the only difference is they call it a friend, a one-night stand, etc.. not a dedicated life partner.. I dont like polygamy, but I think the entire country are hypocrites. With a 60% divorce rate, I think we can certainly consider ourselves polygamists.. We marry one person, get bored, get rid of them, then go to the next.. So, who wants to condemn a person who marries multiple women and cares for all of them.. Sure the marriage has less meaning , but I don't see how the average marriage in America is more meaningful. And again, how many people are virgins at marriage in USA, like 1%??
The article on the front page of this website is grossly inaccurate. Joseph Smith was not shot during a presidential campaign. His was illegally arrested and imprisoned for his religious beleifs and shot and killed by an angry mob that stormed Carthage Jail Illinois where he was imprisoned.
'Mormons' as they are nick named, in the early days of the church were sorely persecuted, driven by angry mobs from town to town as their homes, cities, and temple burned to the ground.
They even had an extermination order issued against them by the governor of Missouri, making it legal to kill a Mormon in that state up until 1970! What other people in US history have been so discrimianted against?
The truth is, active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that Jesus is the Christ, and they try to live His teachings found in the Holy Bible and The Book of Mormon (another testiment of Jesus Christ). They make covenants at baptism to lead a Christ-life as best they can by serving others, and striving to live moral and honest lives.
Mormons donate 10% of their income to help grow the church and provide welfare for those in distress. They have comprehensive and organized welfare warehouses in cities all over the US that provide food, clothing, and medicine to people in times of emergency and natural disaster. They had truck loads of supplies on the way to New Orleans before hurricane Katrina even made land fall. Numerous people, including military personel, were amazed at the organized relief provided by Mormons after Katrina and all over the world.
Every religious group has individuals who do not represent their church in a positive light but the Mormons as a collective whole really do strive to follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ because doing so brings them happiness.
The article on the front of this website is grossly inaccurate. Joseph Smith was not shot to death during a presidential campaign as Reuters purports. He was illegally arrested and killed by a mob in Carthage Jail Illinois, as he sat in his cell.
Mormons (as they are so nick named) in the early years of the church were sorely persecuted. They were forcefully driven from place to place by government officials, while the towns they built up, including their homes and religious temples, were burned to the ground.
They even had an extermination order against them, issued by Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs in 1838, making it legal to kill a Mormon in that state up until 1976! What other people in US history have faced such discrimination?
The truth is, faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or Mormons) believe that Jesus is the Christ and they strive to live His teachings found in the Holy Bible and The Book of Mormon (another testament of Jesus Christ).
They donate 10% of their income to help grow the church and fast one day a month, donating the money they would have spent on food to the church welfare system to help those in need or distress. The Mormon church has one of the most, if not the most, comprehensive welfare systems in the world. They have organized welfare storage warehouses in cities all over the US with food, medicine, and clothing supplies to offer relief to anyone and everyone during times of emergency and natural disaster.
They had truck loads of relief supplies on the way to New Orleans even before hurricane Katrina made landfall. People in the Katrina disaster and similar disasters all over the world have marveled at the speed, organization, and relief the Mormon church has provided them.
Mormons make covenants at baptism to live Christ-like lives and they donate a great deal of time, money, and energy to help others, because doing so brings them happiness.
I wish the media, including websites such as these, would do their homework before reporting information about any group or individual and give people a chance to make up their own minds, rather than miss-informing or one-sidedly reporting the information.
If you are interested in the truth about polygamy or plural marriage and how it relates to the Mormon church please read on:
First and foremost, only a minority of church members ever practiced plural marriage and the practice was officailly ended in 1890. Anyone who claims to be 'Mormon' and practices plural marraige today (since 1890) is NOT an active member of the church and has most likely been ex-communicated.
Secondly, anyone who belives that the Bible is the word of God must also beleive that at one point in time God has sanctioned polygamy, or else Abraham, Issac, Jacob and other prophets who had multiple wives would have been fallen prophets.
Abraham was married to Sarai when he took Hagar to wife. Genesis: 16.
Jacob, the Father of the twelve patriarchs of the tribes of Israel, had 4 wives: Leah, Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpah. Genesis 29-30
These men are esteemed by main stream Christians as holy prophets of God yet they practiced polygamy.
According to a revelation given to Joseph Smith, but not written down until July 12, 1843, Joseph Smith approached the Lord and asked Him why he permitted ancient prophets like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to have multiple wives. The revelation states that only God can command men to practice polygamy and that he appoints a prophet to be in charge of it when he does.
Joseph Smith was hesitant to teach this new principle and did not even share it with his closest associates for many years. According to later statements by Lorenzo Snow, and Brigham Young Joseph was himself repelled by the idea and not until an angel of Lord appeared to him and ordered him to practice it and teach it did he begin. This apparently took place sometime after 1839 when the Mormons had been driven to Nauvoo, Illinois.
Joseph Smith taught publicly that everyone should only have one wife unless God commanded otherwise, however they were wary of misunderstandings and persecution from the surrounding communities and so the practice continued in secret for a time.
The practice was officially discontinued in 1890 by a revelation given to Wilford Woodruff (the President of the church at the time)and recorded as the Manifesto.
For more and detailed historical inormation about this topic please visit mormonwiki (.com) under polygamy.
We're not all of GOD's kids. It is true GOD created all things. But there are many gods but many calm to worship GOD. There is not solid consensus among the religions, hence many version of religion. For if we were all worshiping one god wouldn't, he make one unified way of worship. One things a person should seek is to find a GOD which explains all things, not necessarily based on your way of thinking. His thoughts are not your thoughts. His ways are not your ways. He should require something the world does not accept because he is setting you apart from false worshipers.
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