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Apr 29, 2007, 1:58 GMT
Alec Baldwin plans book on injustices to divorced dads
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In a world where many horrible things occur every day, I wonder how a well-known parent flipping his lid at his kid ranks so much attention.
Why is a book necessary after so much apologies?
His career is on the upswing, he still has many good years of work left in him, hopefully on the TV show 30 Rock, he should just make up with his daughter and let it go.
No matter how alienated he is, he is an extremely successful man who, in my opinion, should count his blessings a little harder.
At least Mr. Baldwin cares enough abought his daughter, so that she doesn't turn into a thoughtless pig. Where is the mother?? I'll buy his book.
Only a divorced father knows the myriad of tricks used by some women and their lawyers to prevent or limit access to the children with or without cause, it is built into the system. Considering women raise most of the children in the world, isn't it a fine mess.
I can tell u from personal experience, Fathers that come out of a bitter divorce is just that, Mothers are bitter and they have the upper hand, can a Mother imagine going from seeing your child every day to once every two weeks!!? My husband is a wonderful father to his child and his ex tells their child horrible things, not only are they not true but the anguish this child has to go through is unbelievable! The hurtful things do not hurt my husband or I it ONLY hurts the child and makes them confused! If anyone would like more info or some more insight let me know, I don't agree with how Alec handled the situation, BUT I can understand how he must be at wits end.
Alec, when you are ready to write the book - ask for stories. Men generally keep these things to themselves because the greedy narcissist women they were sperm banks for for their financial security would castrate them in a New York second. When you are ready to write the book - ask for stores.
I will be your poster boy with spit dripping from my jaw from not meeting the demands of a trained 12 year old who's been in training since she was two.
The majority of men suffer in silence, many of whom just bail out of life for the sheer futility of it, do drugs, drink or simply disappear. Many newspapers print the names of 'deadbeat Dads', but they do not list how many times the Fathers were castigated from their children by their Mothers's lies and animosity, until they just 'disappeared'. There should be a fund for them, like the US Protected Witness program, rather than posting their names in papers, because they are the silent, suffering, destroyed majority - not the ex-wives and the children. Sperm banks for financial security unite - it's only a matter of time where they can clone themselves and won't need us anymore. Halleleujah.
'John CelkoApr 30th, 2007
In a world where many horrible things occur every day '
In a world where many things occur every day this story gets 13 pages of comments while thaere are some articles about Darfur here with almost zero comments .
Who is to blame ? ' Them ' ? or you and me ?
Regardless of the truth with Baldwin he has made a brilliant move here because it at once enlists a sizable minority of dispossessed divorced fathers who are certainly abused and financially ruined by their ex-wives, often as a result of their initial generosity at the start of the process. This is not a comment on the thousands of women who are victims of domestic violence or throttled into a submissive role financially in their marriages. However, the divorced Dad is in many cases a victim of propaganda and hateful vitriole that originates with the ex. among other ridiculous attacks.
One of his excuses is that he took it out on the wrong person? So he thinks it's OK that he can abuse the mother of his child? Now he's playing the victim in parental alienation? I wouldn't have my kids get within 1000 miles of this guy. Poor Ireland. No wonder she needs bodyguards. He's nuts.
I've been dragged through the Los Angeles court system, had my name in the tabloids numerous times due to the explosive temper of my ex-wife (and her 'famous' first husband).
My first attorney (a seasoned veteran) told me that the civil justice system is not civil and it's not just. Though I couldn't stand that clown, he was right.
Baldwin was wrong in what he did. I never would have done that with my 5 yr. old son (50% custody). BUT, the system drives fathers to bankruptcy and complete alienation. Fathers are guilty until proven innocent, and in the courts eyes, we are never innocent.
My wife has the house, trust funds, new cars, gardener and private housekeeper. I live in an apartment with my new wife, our new baby on the way and my son @ 50% custody. I still pay her money and barely make ends meet. And people wonder why we lose it, that's why. People inherently know right from wrong, so when we walk into the courts and they can't see it, there is simply nothing more frustrating.
I wish the best to all good, honest moms and dads out there.
i was a spoiled rich kid that needed to be screamed at and needed the occaisonal smack because i was able to outwit any other punishment; should i really think their daughter is any different? do we know what set this off? when i was 8 i told my father if i only made 80k a year (in 1988) when i was in my 40s id throw myself in front of a bus because id be ashamed for being a loser and having to drive an american car--did the slap that followed cross the line? Sheeple think everyone else is sheeple. America, is it any wonder we're losing?
I have often thought of writing the same book.
The problem begins with the Courts...most favor the mother. Thus, the Dad loses his wife, children and his home. No wonder he lives like a bedouin.
Compound the problem with animosity between the divorced couple and you have children who circle the wagons around their mother to the exclusion of the Dad.
Now try to have any relationship with the children and you are met with the mother controlling the visits albeit court ordered.
There are 'doers' and doees' - Dad is the doee...always responding to the alienation engrained by the mother in the children. Children become confused, angry and militant and Dad is supposed to 'be there' for them.
When our Court system begins to strike an even balance in a divorce, there may be a remote possibility the children will also have an even balance with the parents.
The bottom line is - will anyone learn from these stories? Probably not, because no one will see themselves in them. And to BENNY BUSHHATER - telling people who are concerned about actor's lives to get a life - guess you must have read this site!
Have you ever played rocks and a camera? That's not the name lawyers use when they suggest it to their clients, but here's how it works. You corner your enemy, (the father or mother of your children) Start throwing rocks (or any other abusive tactic) at him/her until they are highly agitated and feel they must defend themselves. At this point you record their response and you have pictures/recordings as evidence of their bizarre behavior. I am not certain this was the case with Mr. Baldwin, but it has that feeling to it. If you think a book will fix this you are nuts however, I have more than a few chapter ideas. Just wait til this is all said and done and you get joint custody/joint possession. If you are a dad, you will recieve letters from your state addressed to ABSENTEE PARENT. Teaching the real divorce process to boys from the 7th-12th grade should be mandatory, pregnancy rates will plummet.
As an alienated parent, [dad], of more than 30 years myself, I feel it ironic and fitting, if by Gods grace, that this broadened exposure and awareness of the wholesale and blatant abuse of fathers, men, the sanctity of marriage and family, it's hierarchal structure, even societies bedrock itself, [who's destruction is stoked and fueled by aberrant law, by vengeful, un-happy women, Hollywood, television, the liberal media, and those who work in it by any association], should come through one of its very own! I hope that Mr. Baldwin truly sees the urgency for all the souls, other than his own, in this world, and in the millions of estranged American children and parents, both men and women, and takes up his cross for the cause of it's reversal. Consider 'Dad's Against Discrimination, and Dad's America,' please Mr. Baldwin!
If Kim continues to screw Alec and her own daughter by not allowing them to be together, then she'll gets what she deserves. White Trash Piece of Crap. She is probably just like the character she played in 8 mile. She is just like all the woman on this planet. Vendictive! Woman will do whatever it takes to get revenge on men. Even at their children's expense. If they didn't have the thing between their legs, men would hunt them and shoot them down like deer. She should burn in hell.
These two (Basinger and Baldwin) definitely need to communicate through third parties (and daughter makes 3). Calling a child a 'pig' thoughtless, rude or otherwise is just a word. How often I hear people refer to most children today as rude, selfish, thoughtless, ill-mannered, irresponsible, be they 10, 12 or 22. It does not seem (to me) to be a major crime to say so to your own child. We are too PC these days. Is Baldwin a hothead? Probably. But doesn't everybody lose it now and again? Don't parents lose their temper with their kids? How many times have I heard a parent refer to their child's room as a pigsty? Who lives in a sty? A pig. Better she hear it from Dad than from someone else.
I survived my father's temper, name-calling and much worse. To label calling your daughter a 'pig' as abuse seems extreme. Looking back, the name calling was the least of my troubles. Most of us get called something or other whether by our folks, siblings, friends or enemies at school. Sometimes it's fun, often it hurts, but we get through it. This is the proverbial molehill turned into the mountain. If Mom was not the source, I imagine the child was - after all children learn by example.
Being a divorced dad and an officer of a support group in Pa for non custodial parents I can tell you that it's about time someone famous had the same problems that I did. In the course of 9 yrs I spent over $70,000 fighting to be a father to my kids. My ex spent even more. Now both my kids are in college with god knows how much in student loans just so someone could use the system to keep me from being a father.
Stop the nonsense and stop making lawyers rich and leave some money for our kids let me and other divorced dads be dads.
Typical movie star narcissism; the book should be about how kids are hurt by all forms of mindless court interventions: returning adopted children to drug recovered moms (that they don't know) after eight years of being with a family they accept as theirs, being placed with mothers - regardless how destructive she may be - because mothers know best how to raise children, and, in general, allowing judges (or any other lawyers) to make decisions which affect living humans.
A society that cannot allow/protect a meaningful parentchild relationship is in trouble. The fact that a court ordered relationship suspended between alec and child without extracting full fact is an ominous sign...sure he spoke rudely to his child...but hands up those parents who have never spoken rudely to their children...I expect none...so what on earth was this judge thinking when ordering suspension of the fundamental relationship that forms the spine of working society...particularly of fatherchild
Yes, there is a point where such behaviour is unacceptable, but a child not wanting to talk to their father in an acrimonious divorce has other factors that influence a childs free will...after all which normally developed child will not want a meaningful relationship with their natural father...the mother is the first for assessment here...
Its the courts duty to extract the fact...does not matter how well the parties hide the negatives and promote themselves...if the court fails then it is a judicial failure and by the sheer number of good fatherchildren force separated after parent separation by statistics there is a good case for governmental failure to administer law fairly in this area...
Logic fails in this area too. For example which man wants to get into a relationship with a woman to have children when by common statistics most relationship fails and most meaningful fatherchild relationships is stressed into breaking by subsequent actions by mother and courts...so it follows most men will avoid relationships(even with the constant barrage of images of happy couples in media and movies as the fact speaks louder)...it also follows that men will soon start acting to strengthen surogacy laws ie without being in a relationship with a woman the right of men to have children...yeah pay woman money to give birth to his child and no legal rights to child...probably be a good thing in the current destructive circumstances we find ourselves in...
I think the worst effect in all this is this, if alec's child does not have the skill to maintain a meaningful fatherchild relationship, what skill does she have in maintaining other forms of relationships, eg friendship where the fundamental premise is to protect the feeling of 'liking the person' in time through all experiences life may throw. If she cant do this then her chance of building on this to next level ie 'relationship' with a man when the time comes becomes very doubtful...men these days will not move into relationships until a woman can show she has the skills to maintain a friendship, and I am not talking about skill to create the 'image' of friendship but the real deal...
Sam
Maybe some of these people need to think long and hard before they bring a child into this world. I think a lot of people don't give any more thought to what is all involved than they give much thought to the marriage beyond the big wedding. Psychiatrists and lawyers are the only winners in this stupid game.
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