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By Stone Martindale Apr 21, 2007, 6:23 GMT
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Q. You know what would be hilarious about this situation?
A. If it turns out the daughter sent the audio to the media.
For gosh sake, we all say stuff we wish we didn't and don't mean, but how many of us are stupid enough to leave a message? I know if I was the daughter, I'd do it just to show that dufus of a dad who is boss.
I'm sure every parent does say things to their child that they wish they could take back but he crossed FAR FAR over the line. The issue is not that the tape was leaked it should be that he said these things and I hope he apologizes to his daughter. Why in the world is he apologizing to his fans instead??? This should be a private matter but maybe the tape was leaked on purpose in order to expose him for what he is and to get help. I sincerely hope he takes some anger management courses before he sees his child unsupervised.
I just don't get what is going on with our society today. I am not saying what Baldwin said was right not even close but I can not believe everyone thinks every child is innocent. He lost it because his daughter was using him and that is plain to see. Given he is the adult and should handle things better but come on she also does need to be straightened out and should respect both of her parents. What has happened do everyone if you listen to his tirade he was definitely reacting to her total disregard for his feelings time and time again. Wake up already and start holding children responsible for their actions as well!!!
Why is it everyone is assuming it was Kim that leaked the message? The better choice would be Ireland herself. After all, many children are exceptionally tech savy these days and are well aware of what the hot gossip websites are. Especially children of hollywood stars. What a better way to out her horrible father than to send his voicemail lashing to a on-line media source. Not only does she get back at him and make him look like an even bigger brat than he already is, but she probably just sealed the deal that she won't have to spend any more time with him either. If he is like that over the phone, imagine what he must be like in person when he is upset.
Not precisely the wording I would use in dealing with my child, but sometimes things can get heated between rebellious teenagers and their parents. I would guess that parental alienation had a great deal to do with the child's rebuffing of her father's attempts to spend time with her.
Given that the cow Bassinger has already been cited for contempt once for custodial interferance, it would not surprise me that the cow did have something to do with the child's alienation towards her father.
If it is found out that the cow did have something to do with 'leaking' the voicemail in blatant disregard of a court-mandated 'gag-order', the cow should be thrown in jail for a period of time to contemplate the errror of her ways.
Let Justice finally be done.
Mr. Baldwin has apologized for his tirade as well he should. He is simply not doing His Life any favors by getting himself this riled up over family business. As the saying goes 'you can't change a turd into gold' and terrible anger over over a turd of situation? Baldwin keeps saying 'you can't know what I've been through these past 6 years.' To controling people it's always 'Look what THEY are doing to ME when I'M the one who should be calling the shots.' That Never Happens in real life Alec. You will never get the past 6 years of hate and frustation back. Time to grow up and learn something before you waste another 6 years...
Sure, he's sorry now that everyone heard him. I don't care how bad your temper is, if you can't control it and you call your 11 year old daughter a pig in the way he did and go off on here for 3 minutes, maybe she's better off without you. We all make mistakes and you just made a BIG one. Don't apologize to us, you freaking idiot. Tell it to your daughter and tell her that you love her. You don't have to kiss her ass, just let her know you did something wrong and that it won't happen again. Celebrities are the biggest freaks going. Money and fame seem to make you feel self important. Watching you air your dirty laundry in public is akin to watching circus freaks under the big tent. Whomever leaked the phone message should be ashamed. It allowed us to see the real Alec Baldwin,
unfortunately. I saw Kevin Bacon on Jay Leno last night and what a genuine personality he is. It was refreshing to realize that he's one of the few celebs I've never heard any dipchit trash talk, about. He makes a movie, offers it up for consumption and then gets back to his real life. He's a real human being. Alec, take it as an example to follow.
Time to take the 'child' out of the situation. Until the parents can quit acting like children and provide a healthy, stable, loving, nurturing environment where they each on their own and together put the needs of the child they chose to bring into the world first, she should be placed with another relative or outside placement. Each could undergo anger management, mediation, and all could get family counseling so that this 11 yr old doesn't forever search for the love and validation she never got because of her parents' anger and egos.
Of course this is abhorrent behavior on Mr. Baldwins part but, this is one
incident out of eleven years of his daughters life. None of us knows what specifically was going on at that time between Mr. and Mrs. Baldwin remember they are in a or were in a pretty bitter court battle(that doesn't excuse his behavior though).
Sean Hannity probably arranged for the leaking of this recording, since everything is falling apart for the Bush administration he needs more 'news' to attack liberals over.
I really don't know what was worse. The message left by an angry father to his own daughter. Or that this abusive message was leaked to the press, apparently by the girl's mother.
If it were up to me, neither parent would get custody.
This guy is abusive. His tirade is emotional abuse. Since he can't be there in person to cause his pain, he assults his eleven (yes, eleven) year old with a telephone call such as this. His ex-wife may be a piece of work, but this stuff is all his responsibilitiy, no one elses- he seems to deny ownership of his own behavior. He should be glad it was released. It may force him to be a better father/person.
Come on, people. . anyone know a teenage girl? They will drive you insane immediately. Trust me, I'd love it if Mr. Baldwin would call my bratty 13-year old little sister and give her talkin' to.
Who are we to criticize a father for lecturing his daughter? That voice mail was taken out of context and posted ONLY to villify a frustrated father and make us feel sorry for Ms. Basinger and her daughter.
This guy may not win any Father of the Year awards in the near future, but no one can deny that the stress of his ongoing custody battle is clearly impairing his abiility to remain rational and calm. The leak of this tape was intentional. Only two people would have initially known about it's contents; his daughter and his ex. I can't fault the daughter, she's a child, but his ex did this knowingly and that doesn't earn her any points in my book.
Clearly, Mr. Baldwin had a huge lapse of judgment when he left this message and it seems to me that he is an extremely frustrated parent who has been estranged from his daughter. Furthermore, I can think of more than one time when in my own frustration and anger I've said some regrettable things to my children. It's no excuse, but it has happened, and we are what anyone would consider a loving and warm family.
Why can't these two adults lay aside their difference and put Ireland's best interests first?
to all whom have posted previously and most likely, after.. Mind your business. sit on your hands. healing the world starts in the home. And that means the family. in other words: care for yourself and you'll care for the world. And when i say care for yourself, i don't mean for you to be selfish and self rightous. I expect you all to respect yourselves, your loved oned and your neighbors ( neighbors are not just the ones next door, they are local towns, cities, states, provinces, regions, continents, etc). Pause for a moment before thoughts reach those forked tongues. one must bake ones' thoughts carefully prior to serving. Please take a moment to walk in another's shoes. Treat others as you want to be treated. judge not lest ye be judged. don't cast stones from a glass house. those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. you know the sayings... Repeat 'em over and over again. live by them and you'll be fine. fail, and your children will be born into interesting times.
This is the type of Expeletive that gives divorced fathers a bad name. He was an Expeletive before the phone message and he'll be one after. No amount of anger management thearpy will help this egocentric jerk. At least Mel was drunk. This guy has no excuse. Sorry actor, sorry father, sorry human being.
You guys are so full of yourselves in your almighty moral thrones.
I'm sure you haven't even tried to put yourselves in his situation. All of you guys out there saying that he should be apologizing to his daughter instead of the media, well, what do you expect him to do? Tape himself apologizing and post it on youtube? I mean, who says he hasn't apologized already? Which he probably has, in one of his PLANNED VISITATIONS or PLANNED CALLS, yup, cause thats the only time he can see her. I don't know about you guys, but parental alienation caused by divorce plus the custody battle would probably push most of you to your limits.
I'm not excusing the words he used, he probably needs to control his anger better, but to judge him from this phone call is just stupid.
Agree with Richard Gordon 100%. Alec has a problem-big head.
His anger at his ex-wife blinds him.( I am sure he still can't get over her...) He should just let it go. There will be time, when his daughter will fugure out who is who, and then he will be really sorry.
Love always forgives, love is never angry or selfish...Poor Alec, he never been loved, so he doesn't know how to. The sadest thing is, that his child is torn apart by two angry parents, and will suffer for the rest of her life.
A word to Richard Gordon. Are You the one that worked for Dinair?
P.S. forgive my spelling, English is not mime native.
The most important thing in his apology, is the fact he blames everyone else for his actions. He is a big whiney, baby, pee pants that doesn't deserve respect from the public let alone, his daughter.
It is easy to critize Mr. Baldwin for his angry outbust,he has done it so many time, what I believe is a missing part of this episode is while Mr. Baldwin is angry, his ex wife is extremely cruel.The release of the tape was an act of extreme hostilty and certainly, not in the best interest of Ireland.
As a student of human behavior, all behavior is recipical. I suspect while she projects an image of a victim, she has in all probablity been very self righteous and cruel in her provocative behavior.
I agree that this should have been a private matter and feel terrible for Ireland. What Alec Baldwin said to his daughter in that message was inexcusable. As aparent, we should ALWAYS think of the child first and not vent our frustrations on them. His behavior was rude, and shows that HE doesn't have the brains to be a proper parent.
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