Lisa Marie Nowak drank the Tang

elizabeth goodieFeb 8th, 2007 - 14:39:50

Lisa-Marie Nowak is no different than any one else. Just because she happened to get into the space program does not exempt her from being human. The fact that she wore a diaper is evident. Wake up 'america' the girl is not God. I use the term girl because little girls do stupid things when they do not get what they want.
There is a lot more to this mess than meets the eye. The secret lives of the very ones that america holds up as role models are the very ones that reveal the true character of this nation.
Space cadets are not perfect! She should have put her family first!

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CJ WhiteFeb 9th, 2007 - 02:40:10

This is why women shouldn't be doing male jobs. Military, Space etc.

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are you nuts?Feb 12th, 2007 - 13:43:46

she should be treated like any other mentally un-well person who attempted to kill someone. quit glorifying her because she went through a lot of difficult training.

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BradFeb 12th, 2007 - 15:39:59

I am simply amazed at the 'kind and caring' 'let's all forgive her' 'she needs counseling' kinds of comments! Give us a break here! This woman is NOT mentally ill in that sense, ok? She NEVER intended to get caught! She KNEW that in her mind, she would be back in Houston quickly...and no one would believe she made that trip by car so fast...the planning started Jan 16th with downloading maps to Coleen Shipman's house, maps of the airport, a visit to Billy O's computer!

*Get this: SHE NEVER INTENDED TO BE CAUGHT!!! The 'meltdown' happened AFTER a good smart street cop found the 'evidence' in her car and in the duffle bag she carried with guess what...(not easily tracable but deadly weapons)...a hammer...(to break into Shipman's home? to crush her skull?) How about the Buck knife...to dismember her? The rubber tubing? To choke her to death with? Or to tie off her limbs while you dismember her and put the parts into garbage bags?

Pretty much a homicidal killer here, if this person was just caught stalking YOU! Think about that one! How about a face full of mace/pepper spray...intended to make Ms. Shipman open the door to get out of the car!

Smart lady...drove off...after the attack! Eyes burning...an ATTACK!!! OK?

Lisa Marie Nowak made that trip in an unbelievable, nearly impossible time frame...(she never intended to be caught...ok?) She would have expressed shock as in 'how could anybody possibly suspect ME the little darling astronaut!)

She WAS caught...she DID intend to kill Coleen Shipman...she sure had the tool kit there to do it! That is why she was charged! She actually attacked...ok?
She assulted Coleen Shipman with an intent to kill her! That is why the Orlando police charged her! They found the tools...and she actually attacked Ms. Shipman!

This was not a 'meltdown' this was a pre-meditated botched murder attempt!
So let's shake off the idea that because someone was an astronaut, they are morally straight, or that jet pilots don't cheat on their wives, or that Green Beret physicians don't kill their wives and kids...or that handsome guys in California don't kill their pregnant wives and unborn children...

Yes, Lisa Marie Nowak was a career driven Annapolis Graduate and she was recently promoted to CAPTAIN in the United States Navy...a field grade officer...with high expectations of behavior.

The fact remains...ACTIONS determine how we fare in this society...Coleen Shipman mey be very very lucky to be alive this morning...this could have been a very different smaller news story...and a guilty person might have run free...
Ok? So it's not the stress of becoming an officer or astronaut that is the issue here...hundreds of thousands of ex Marine, navy, and Air Force aviators have flown into the mouth of hell and back keeping promises...they didn't go psychotic...so...put the sympath where it belongs!

Coleen Shipman did nothing wrong here...Lisa Nowak's kids did nothing wrong here! Lisa Nowak's husband might be a little bit devistated here...this woman left a wake of pain in her wake...don't feel sorry for her! Get a grip!
She NEVER intended to get CAUGHT! She almost got away with it!

So yes, we all wonder why someone that had it all, did something so foolish, so immoral, so criminal...what if it was YOUR daughter this woman stalked and terrified?

A field grade officer usually does not have such base level moral fibre. As in...I will do nothing that will reflect badly on my service, NASA, or my family...if I can possibly help it...

The Marines say, 'Death Before Dishonor' At the service academy the motto says 'WE WILL NOT LIE, CHEAT, OR STEAL...NOR TOLERATE AMONG US...ANYONE WHO DOES'

This is messy...it's ugly...it's devistation...but guess who is totally and completely responsible for this...one person...

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AnswerManFeb 24th, 2007 - 22:01:28

Brad,

You and I are on exactly the same page. Unfortunately, we live in a country where the legal system still hasn't come to grips with sexual equality. If the sex roles were reversed in this matter, public and legal sentiment would be behind throwing the guy in jail and tossing away the key. But all of a sudden, when the culprit is a female, we're expected to be compassionate - expected to search for some rationale behind the behavior we can be sympathetic toward.

In today's news (February 24th), there are no less than a dozen like-minded news stories out there ... all bragging that NASA has formulated plans to deal with psychotic astronauts in space. In short, the public is being 'stroked' to think of Nowak's behavior as psychotic since her name is mentioned in EVERY ONE of those articles as an EXAMPLE of this beharior.

Here's my prediction. Since no one was actually hurt in this incident (luck), Lisa Nowak will be found not guilty by reason of insanity (temporary or otherwise) in criminal court. She'll be ordered to commit herself to a post-trial period of outpatient psychiatric therapy (I'm guessing two or three years). During this period, since she's no longer a NASA employee, I expect to see her on Oprah, Maury, Letterman, Leno, and possibly a whole host of other shows on the talk-show circuit (earning more money than her NASA paychecks). An interview by Barbara Walters is probably a given.

Because of her previous excellent record of service in the Navy, military courts will defer to the criminal court decision. Once the post-trial period of therapy passes without incident, Lisa Nowak will get off scot-free. In short, she'll not get a dishonorable discharge. Instead, she'll likely get a medical discharge under honorable conditions - as well as be assigned a disability rating. In short, she'll be considered a disabled vet ... getting disability retirement benefits and disability compensation benefits, both tax-free, for the rest of her life. In addition, the victim(s) in this matter will probably be approached by a military attorney who will encourage ($$$$$) them to sign a voluntary gag order on themselves in return for a payoff. Of course, these payoffs will be under sealed court order so the media won't have access to them.

My worry is that, eventually, she'll be given custody of her children since she'll never be convicted of a crime in any court of law. And, another worry is that other women will see Nowak get off scot-free and consider copycatting her. What better way to retire at a reasonably young age than copycatting Nowak and using her case as a precedent.

Of course, MEN should not try this approach. They'll lose their jobs, their retirement, and end up in stir for serious time - only to get out broke and in disgrace.

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