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Senator Joseph Biden: Obama 'clean and articulate'
By Stone Martindale Jan 31, 2007, 18:14 GMT
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Clean?
Joe for SecState,,,,, not Pres
With regard to Obama's cleanliness, how are we to interpret Sen. Biden's remark?
I love how Biden added 'man' when discussing Obama's 'tributes'
LOL
I'll go ahead and assume 'clean' isn't referring to Mr. O'Bama's hygene, but rather any political baggage and how he approaches politics, e.g. 'clean' vs. 'dirty' politician.
People so often feel the need to use words like 'articulate' when discussing prominent African American figures whom they have an affinity for. It's clearly a back-handed compliment because the implication is that being articulate and clean distinguishes that person from other African Americans - or at least it does in the handicapped worldview of the racially prejudiced.
Some might say i'm exhibiting paranoia or 'pulling the race card', but take a careful accounting of how often you see white Americans both in the media and in their everyday conversation cite 'articulate' as their first impression of a public figure who happens to be black- it's as if they are shocked whenever they meet an articulate black person... of course they could only be shocked if their expectation was that the person would be inarticulate, sad since there's not really an reason to base such a presumption on skin color.
In this case the inclusion of 'clean' betrays the presence of an even more disturbing prejudice. Apparently Senator Biden feels that cleanliness is a trait which Senator Obama possesses apart from the rest of the black (unwashed) masses.
I'm pretty sure that complementing an African-American on how well they 'articulate' is a comparitive insult.
This senator is obviously a racist in a not so old man/innocent kind of way. Such statements as these are not acceptable at this day and age, and should never have been.
Furthermore, stating that he's the first mainstream African-American to do anything is disrespectful to the many, MANY African-Americans who have held polital and social offices. Even they were intelligent, and could 'articulate' rather well.
In conclusion, what a Putts!
Clean = clean reputation. Man, so many people have overactive imaginations. Biden said what so many others have already said. There's no dirt on BO. No scandals, nothing. Clean as a whistle. Capeche? Google Obama clean as a whistle. See if you can figure it out. Good luck and good day.
clean = not befouled by Washington yet.
that Spanky's comments hadn't been posted yet when I first read this article. His interpretation is one that I hadn't considered and actually hope is true.
Unfortunately, as far as the 'articulate' reference... that's one that transcends Senator Biden's remarks. I've noticed this since the mid-90s, which is really when I became old enough to notice it, though I don't doubt that it pre-dates that.
'In this case the inclusion of 'clean' betrays the presence of an even more disturbing prejudice. Apparently Senator Biden feels that cleanliness is a trait which Senator Obama possesses apart from the rest of the black (unwashed) masses.'
You're making an assumption that's not necessarily warranted; it could be that he thinks the other African-Americans, who might have been 'articulate,' (e.g., Jackson, Sharpton) were not 'mainstream.'
I share that opinion.
Clean, as in he doesn't use pomade? Certainly not clean as in cleanhead, since Obama has all his hair!
This just in: Joe Biden Enters Rehab for Racism. lol! The rest of you can sign up for Navel Gazers Anonymous. Anyone who could take Clinton (6 years as Senator and ridiculous decisions/posturing on Iraq, plus BO with two years and just talk re Iraq, over JB with 34 years and leadership wrt Iraq) over Biden, when they think the biggest issue for the U.S. is Iraq, needs to screw their lightbulb in, b/c they're blind!
please reference my comment right above yours. Also, I would rather NOT believe that Senator Biden intended something so overtly racist as my first comment, so I am relieved at the prospect of another -very believable- interpretation being proposed.
Biden sounds like a Bush Republican to me-in all catagories. A vast Majority of Democrats are NOT in favor of Mr. Bush's war in Iraq. Biden is against Universal Health care that both our people and our Industry desperately need. Biden has nothing positive to contribute to our society at all. He is just an old dried up political machine who's only value is holding that Democratic seat in the Senate.The Democratic Party desperately needs to retire old out-of-touch politicians like Biden and find someone that reflects the views and values of the 'under 50' generations, who have an education and actually think for themselves.
Well, we all know that the white liberal is the master and runs the liberal plantation. Sooner or later Blacks will wake up and see how they have been screwed for the last 50 years with empty promises.
'Not a word about a plan?' Obama just released a comrehensive report on how to get us out of Iraq, and not only that, but he is proposing it to Congress!!! He is the only candidate who is taking steps towards a better nation. Clinton and Biden just want to be Prez.
'Articulate' is a totally back-handed compliment. But I do have to say that Obama is an incredible speaker. I would elect him just to hear his voice more often. (Okay, not really, but he IS an incredible speaker.)
Poor Joe Biden: he doesn't really want to be President, so he shoots himself in the foot first day out. Pity. . . .
What makes Obama an 'African-American' any more than he is a 'European-American'? His mama was white.
The comments complaining about Biden's use of 'articulate' are nonsense. Obama is very articulate, not compared with African-Americans or any other race, but compared with almost all politicians.
He also comes across as sincere, thoughtful and honest. By the same respect, that in no way implies others of his race to be insincere, unthoughtful or dishonest.
Yeah, Dave, the Devil also comes across thoughtful and sincere . . .
I have never had any respect for Joe Biden, a law school cheat, plagiarist, and hypocrite, nor do I have an ounce of respect for misguided, hyper-sensitive, zealots, wholly incapable of taking a simple compliment for what it's worth. 'Articulate' is a compliment. It matters not whether the praiseworthy individual is black, white or chartreuse. If the zealot so chooses, he may take any compliment, claim the inverse as a negative premise, and label it a back handed compliment. BO is a solid and attractive candidate (If I may be so bold as to risk a compliment) worthy of the praise that is now being heaped upon him. For the naysayers, I leave you to your hapless, fixated ride through life, horse-blinders intact.
Big Al,
Conceivably, the cleanliness comment means that Obama, unlike Biden's other colleagues in the Senate, shows up for work each day having bathed.
Surely, there isn't any other possible meaning.
Ol Joe got caught plagiarizing other politicians speeches, the last time he ran. Whats that tell you?
Clean as in rehab.
I don't think Binden know's Obama too well on a personal level, he as probably heard him speak, seen him in public and brief political knowledge. Therefore, calling him articulate, and clean can be simple professional compliments.
Yes, ou could interpret them as racial slanders or insults, but if you consider the comments without taking Obama's race into consideration they are still accurate.
On a different note, it'd be nice to have an articulate president to the south after all the speech blunders of the past 8 years... And let's not forget, the pretsel assasination attempt, haha.
cheers
As an outsider to this game of presidential elections I observe that the image of candidates as perceived by the electorate is mmore important than the ideas they stand for .Their appearance has been carefully groomed by spindoctors to appeal to the largest quantity.Speeches are written by copy-writers ,carefully avoiding antagonizing possible electors .Hence pertinent and even urgent problems are swept under the carpet or rendered obscure in such a manner that it leaves the electorate guessing for what the candidates really stand for .
All of them are now rated on a scale of diffuse and neutral statements where content is avoided ,and most of the time less relevant characteristics as charisma,leadership,stance are boosted ,more easily manipulated by spindoctors .What happened to such important issues as health care,social security ,global warming ,the ongoing war ?
These issues are now debated on a very strange level .Not the solutions proposed by the candidates are compared.Instead the the candidates are rated on a scale of determination,leadership and it is left to these perceptions,so easily manipulated by the spindoctors ,to convince you all .
To me this is a malfunction of democracy and might cost the american people a lort of money .
As an example I wouldlike to give you your current president waging an unjustified war in Iraq,the cost of which you will all have to pay .Have you any idea how many trillions of dollars you will have to cough up ?
THat is part of the prize when you elect a candidate on the perception of leadership ,determination ,etc .
Beware of anybody invoking god as an entity joining you in a crusade against evildoers .Be very careful when somebody tells you that you are either a true patriot when you sing along whit the rest of the choir ,or a traitor to your nation if you sing a different tune .Chances are you are being lead by the nose .
In the aftermath of 9/11 this procedure was used to silence those who dared question the legitime character of the war in Iraq .To criticize was an act of betrayal ,the media were even used and very willing to cooperate with this giant fraud .
You will find the same sharteholders in you newspapers and weaponfactories.
They dictate what you have to think.Murdoch and Bsh discuss these issues during lunch ans some croonie ventilates it in the papers .
It used to be different ,Franklin and Jefferson are restless in their graves .
Reggie Jackson picked up on that 'articulate' bit in his autobiography over 20 years ago -- evidently, we are not past that. And that 'first African-American' part in the sentence makes it really hard to misinterpret. In JB's defense, though, maybe that wasn't really his opinion: maybe he got it off someone else's term paper????
SNL should do a skit where Biden comes onto the stage and imprisons all the computer users at an internet cafe with an RIAA-themed costume on since he is the man with the not so master plan behind all the RIAA / FBI tech according to what i've read. I know many people agree with this, however I think they have done things the wrong way.
Screw the non-american obama who won't even put his hand on the bible to be sworn in. Screw the non-american obama who will not use the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, but spits in the face of America when he is forced to say it, and does so without using it. Not to mention the 20 years that he attended 'REVEREND' WRIGHT's church.. What a racist, anti-american being. Obama must have been asleep every sunday for 20 years. BTW, have you checked out the report on MICHELLE OBAMA's thesis from college that was suppressed and not released intentionally and then went public. It's quite interesting. They are racist people, folks. Get it through your heads or kill yourself before the election please.
Thank you. Have a great day!
Please do your research on those fools. DO NOT say yes to the RIAA. Do not say yes to destruction of our government from within by biden obama!
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