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By Stone Martindale Jul 15, 2007, 14:13 GMT
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It always amazes me the people listen to Michael Moore in his satrical essays. Everyone knows and accepts that he slices, dices and glues film together more than a Ginsu infomercial. Sad commentary if people really believe Michael Moore understands (or cares) about the root causes of any issue.
Michael Moore does express a point of view in 'Sicko.' I have not seen all his films, but he does not distort to the degree that Fox News does. What did you see in this film that was untrue, John?
Drop Huckabee off at Applebees
We deserve Moore
How about a president that would bring back the constitution!
Instead of the garbage we keep getting that destroys it.
Better yet lets get rid off the presidential office
and elect leaders from every class.
In the meantime lets nix healthcare for our current leaders anyways
They can afford it themselves
Huckabee is a real idiot. I'm so glad he came up and said what he did about Moore. He has made it easy to rule him out as a potential leader. He state that he hasn't seen and will not see the film, then he rants and raves as if he has. Put him in the category of some rich jerk who can pay cash for a $50,000 hospital surgical bill -- not an uncommon amount these days. He's off the list. Thanks for making it easy for me. He has no idea what he's talking about on this very important subject. Is this how he would 'research' other important topics? He's done. Get out.
I am confounded by the idiocy of the republican candidates. Lets face it, they are all on the take, havent got a clue and have led this country down the path to ruin. All traitors, and dont worry slimeballs. There will be war crime trials, and people like Mike Huckabee should get their chance to stay in gitmo, along with his fuherer leader, Dick Cheney. IF I was a republican, I would be worried. Gitmo, here comes Huckabee, bush, gulliani, the whole bunch of the traitors.
Most 'well-informed' candidates have hardly any more knowledge about universal (that does not mean socialized) health insurance than that well-paid commentators with obvious political and religious agendas try to stuff in the minds of average people. Why are these people preaching choice, while afraid of offering real choice to those who do not have thousands of dollars to stand up against lobbyists, 'investors', corrupt politicians, and 'leaders' who sell out the interests of the country in order to pad their pocket with oil money. pharmacy companies' bribes. American capitalism and democracy means, take, in the name of God and freedom, everything from the poor and the less mighty, including their life, and have the blessing of pharisaical religious
'leaders'. Only the Jesus-business is more immoral that health care manipulation and politics. When we Americans believe that this country is the leader of the 'free world', it is just wishful thinking. Europeans, Asians, Indians, ... are neither blind nor mentally handicapped to see what a
'leadership' this administration offers.
Of course Huckabee knows what he is talking about -- as he said, he is speaking from personal experience. It is proven fact that obese people require more medical care. All of that care costs money, and it drives up prices for everyone.
It's just simply logic that he would say that it makes little sense for Moore, an obese man who no doubt consumes large amounts of health care spurred on by that obesity, to be making a documentary on health care costs.
Is Moore right? Absolutely. Health care is far too expensive in this country.
Is Huckabee right? Absolutely. Health crises like chronic obesity, which Moore has, drive up health care costs in this country. It's interesting the producer references France and their cheaper health care. They also have MUCH lower obesity rates. Huckabee didn't say drinking wine and eating cheese makes you sick - he said not taking care of yourself does it.
And he's right.
And Moore's camp is so ready to slam anyone who has anything to say that isn't drolling over Moore's greatness that they don't even hear the point. Huckabee said people who don't take care of themselves cost more in health care. He said Moore clearly doesn't take care of himself. He doesn't need to be a neurosurgeon for that knowledge. He's right, and everyone knows it. Unable to counter his facts with anything substantial, the producer just whines about how the only reason he could possibly have any opinion on how people not caring for themselves costs more money would be if he's wanting money from insurance companies.
Suuuuure lady, we believe you.
Oh please. This has nothing to do with Huckabee being a Republican or anything else. This has to do with him saying this guy is fat and costs a lot to care for.
The only people who would be dumb enough to disagree with such a stance are those who are so busy banging the anti-republican war drum that they don't even care what the words being said are, just who they are said by.
I'm a proud Democrat, but I have to tell you, the ignorant behavior of some more prominent Dems lately has made me begin to wonder if this is a group of people I want to be associated with. Just look at the post a couple up about 'war crimes' trials and Gitmo. This has nothing to do with war crimes, Iraq, terrorism, or any of that.
It has to do with a single person consuming more than necessary; and that's a fact. He's fat. He costs more money. period.
As the pin holes in the submarine increase. The benefits to a militarized minority increase. The silent wealthy move assets overseas in anticipation of a freeze. The storm clouds gather with a growing debt as financing dwindles from investors with other bets. Watching the turning towel between government and economy...its the the middles class cash dripping down to a select few. Wake up they won't as history repeats....no armaggedon or end in sight...just sustainable change brought by Asia's might.
Michael Moore is a hypocrite. Michael Huckabee was willing to call him that.
Good for Huckabee. At least there's still a politician somewhere in this country willing to tell the truth.
Moore needs to lose weight and stop spending his Hollywood money on so much healthcare before he can gripe about how much it costs. Consumption drives prices. Supply and demand. He, and others who don't care for themselves, need to stop consuming so much, and prices would drop.
How much would oil be if cars got 200 MPG?
How stupid that anyone would argue with Huckabee's point. Just pathetic, really.
Wake up America! As a police officer, and a United State Marine Corps veteran who works and has lived amongst some of the most impoverished humans on this planet, it is sickening to read comments of those sympathetic with Mr. Moore, and who finance his eating habits by paying to view his biased films. For you folks that have never lived abroad, Mr. Moore is a classic example of perceptions abroad - Americans are gluts that consume everything, more than is necessary, while others cannot find enough to eat for one day. Instead of providing a solution and being a role model, Mr. Moore, like most of you, feels content not pushing himself away from the table - instead he continues to be part of the problem.
Being well into my forties, and in better physical condition than ninety percent of folks half my age, and certainly Mr. Moore, I see absolutely no excuse for being overweight, outside of a bona fide disease. The Mr. Moore’s of America are the only reason our health care system is overburdened, not some phantom menace. Statistics do indicate obesity is now a national crisis and the reason health care cost are on the rise - more people visiting a doctor. You folks are lazy and complacent, believing someone else will always be there to provide assistance. In the last twenty years, with the exception of two on-the-job injuries, I have visited a physician only for annual checkups.
How sad if you spent ten dollars to view Mr. Moore's films instead of donating that amount to an organization that feeds the hungry (I do every month), or instead of keeping the money in your pocket and at least participating in some physical activity for the same amount of time. If you must lean forward when you look down just to see your toes, you owe it to yourself, and to us, the minority who do not burden the American health care system.
Yes, it's true that overweight people need more healthcare; no one ever argues against that. But there are thousands of things that can happen to you that can wipe out everything you have that aren't related to healthcare and aren't your fault: how about car accidents, cancer, childbirth issues, household accidents, strokes, heart attacks, (which to a large extent is genetic, not weight related), alzheimer's to name a few? It's crazy to think that being overweight and then losing weight is going to keep you healthy and out of the hospital your entire life. We really do need a national health care system. My husband and I were on a road trip the other day and totally designed one - we decided federally funded, county managed and regulated (which brings the management down to the county level), managers are locally voted on, so the federal and state management are out of it. Similar to the county police infrastructure, basically. You'd have to have the prereq of being a doctor to be able to be the head of the agency, or a nurse practitioner. All health, vision and dental would be covered. Elective surgery like plastic surgery or elective cosmetic surgery would not be covered. Medical school would be free to all students that held a certain GPA and could pass tests similiar to LSATS to make sure the field of doctors would be actively recruited. This whole program would be paid from federal taxes, however, if you wanted to pay into private insurance you could, so if you wanted to opt out of public insurance plan, you could have a tax deduction from the taxes you paid during the year.
Okay, anyway, we were just dreaming.
Of course there can be truth in all arguments. Yes M. Moore is obese. Yes obese people use health care more and thus raise the overall cost of health care.
This argument is a typical polititian's misleading response to a serious question. The question is not is Michael Moore fat or not, or do fat people cost the health care more. The question is weather our current health care system is over priced because 30 cents of every dollar goes to administration costs? That is the question.
And the answer is YES. Those 30 cents are what this fight is over. Those 30 cents represent a lot of millionares' part of the health-care pie and those millionares are willing to spend a portion of it to misinform the Americal people.
I am a computer programmer. I have worked in private industry, health care, and government. In each instance I have worked on programs that are used to manage the enterprise's health care for its workers. This is a nightmare. There are so many rules and exceptions to the rules, that these programs are always the most modified and most complex programs, and they are the result of our chaotic health care system.
I have mentioned the 30 cents. The 30 cents do not even capture the entire cost to our society. Those 30 cents do not include the nightmare of administration that companies go through to manage their employees' health care. No wonder that more and more of them are dropping it.
A well funded single payer (not socialized medicine, please do not simply respond with that reactionary bromide) is the best way to go. It will save us money and provide better care to the American People.
Socialized medicine!
Socialized medicine!
Hillary! Hillary!
Woogie-boogie-boogie-boogie-boogie!
This is the entirety of what Republicans have to say about health care in America. If you vote for people this stupid again -- I say, again -- and again and again, then you yourself are stupid enough that you deserve to have your right to vote revoked.
Dancerat,
Although your idealistic view is great, it's not just going to be funded with federal taxes as they are. I lived in England in 2000-01, and when gas was $1.15 here, it was $6 a gallon there. They have monstrous taxes on things. That's how it's paid for.
We sit here and belly ache about $3 a gallon gas, which is still way below the inflation adjusted rate since 1980. We, as a collective, as a nation, are too busy petting our money and patting ourselves on the back to believe for a moment that a majority would ever vote in a program that would cost them a lot of money.
Sure, in England you don't pay doctors; you just pay everyone else. I nearly fainted when I got my credit card bill for an $80 tank of gas. My dr visits cost $40. I'm good with that, thanks.
All it comes down to is people knowing what they are spending their money on. To socialize it, it's a matter of taxing a huge amount. Either way, we are still paying for it, so there's little point.
The only way anything can be accomplished is if the government sets maximums on charges. They do it for Medicare and Medicaid. Doctors are not allowed to charge in excess of certain amounts for certain things -- they can charge it, but it gets written off. They must accept that with agreement to accept the insurance. Those rates that the social plans are willing to pay; those should be federalized and maintained at a rate no greater than that of inflation.
And drugs should be included in that cap. Canada pays less than half what we do; Mexico pays even less. We pay so much because no one makes them stop jacking up the prices.
The only thing that would work well is caps on prices. No matter how it's funded, we are all going to pay for healthcare anyway, so at least make it cheaper to do so.
Huckabee is an idiot, but based on the performance of the current administration, that's a prerequisite for getting elected to the presidency. Moore makes films about big issues of the day, but always has a serious underlying theme, i.e. 'poor people die in wars for wealthy people'. Moore's critics get bogged down arguing about the veracity of minor details and this creates more publicity for his films. He is very good at what he does.
Huckabee is a baffoon just like the rest of the Republican field. This country is going to hell in a hand basket and the neocon Republicans are to blame. History will show this. Michael Moore was right in 'Bowling for Columbine', 'Fahrenheit 911' and he is certainly correct in 'Sicko'. How Huckabee can criticize a man who has been right on point on these and others issues, is either refusing or ignoring the reality in dealing with the real problems facing our nation today.
Huckabee personifies the meaning of “empty suit”. Supposedly a civil servant who should show some compassion and concerned for millions of Americans without medical coverage, he instead shoots from the hip regarding a film he has never seen and casts judgment on its content. Huckabee is not an example of presidential material.
Why are we Americans so conceited that we think we have the best of everything? Can’t we learn from Japan’s mass transit system, Europe’s 35-hour work-week and their respect for vacation and leisure time? Are our political leaders afraid we may take a good look at the medical systems abroad and force them vote against their campaign contributors?
I’m glad Huckabee showed his true colors early in the campaign.
Michael Moore is satan and George W Bush and Dick Cheney are god. Good conservative war supporters know the difference. If someone does not not agree they will lose all privileges of liberty, and will be tortured or bombed. Like our hero John McCain says, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb . Prison and torture will take care of most big problems, and we'll only need to bomb for oil and such. The costs of our conservative approach is minimal, like in Iraq. Look at the price of gas compared to EU. Now, what's on TV tonight?
These republicans are such fools…I can’t get over how they think that having socialized health care would be a disaster…NOTHING could be more of a disaster then what this right wing, fundamental country already has for health care…. GOD help this country find it’s strength in realizing that the STRONG and rich must help the WEAK and poor. Michael Moor is speaking and showing the truth and showing it harshly through his films!! He does great work and anyone to criticize his film making is jealous and upset with nothing more then Mr. Moor’s strength and great talents to shine the light on the dirty and corrupted! He is doing this country a great favor… some are just to stupid, blinded, scared and SICK…to open their eyes and to see all the corruption in this country! You go Michael… I support you all the way!
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