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By Stone Martindale Jul 15, 2007, 14:13 GMT
'Sicko' Moore does not 'heart' Huckabee's
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Moore is an ass. Everyone knows that. If you think you're special or smart because you figured that out, put on your helmet, get out of your desk, and ask the teacher for a juice box. People listen to him because he's one of the few asses out there that still uses his powers for good.
Moore is fat. This is quite obvious. Is he a 'drain' on the system? Hell no, he's rich morons. He's pumping money into the system. Jesus, the man doesn't even need insurance, he could just pay out of pocket. He's publicly talked about this, not that anyone prejudiced against him listens. He said that, while making the film, he realized he wasn't taking care of his own health. Not that you would notice (thanks to the way CNN, paid for by big pharma commercials, stretched out his video feed), but he's dropped 30 lbs since F9/11.
Moore lies. I keep hearing this, and I believed this, for years. I've hated on Moore for years. I've rejected his previous films as 'propaganda'. Then I realized, it's quite obvious who our lazily elected representation is working for. Have you noticed that in this election, the media has given up the illusion that people's votes even matter? They don't talk about polls any more, it's just money. The 'front-runners' (Democrats) are the candidates that have raised the most money, polls be damned. That money, despite attempts to reform financing, is coming from the unpopular industries that know they would get run through the wringer by a government that represents the people. To his credit, Moore has said that he doesn't support ANY of the major candidates. They're all bought and paid for years before they're elected, and none of them want to risk their financing to stand up for the American people.
Damnit people, I know you hate hippies, but I was under the impression you hated gays even more. Why then, are you bending over and taking it in the butt? You're paying retail for healthcare. RETAIL! Why do we have a for-profit middleman? Why are we letting a bunch of working americans slide by without paying for the healthcare we know they're going to eventually use? Just like fire, police, mail, roads, and water, health is a service we ALL use and need. You angry people know as well as I do, we can't depend on people to be responsible about funding those emergency services. Can you imagine if your neighbor didn't have firefighting insurance, the same way he doesn't have health insurance? Jesus, you'd need to have your own FMO (fire management organization) come stop the fire from spreading. That ends up jacking your rates, so you're screwed and he's screwed. It's a good thing that's not how our health insurance works!
The one comment that is dead on is that 'nothing is free'. Universal healthcare would be paid for with taxes, on the order of a 5-10% increase. That's mucho money, but you're PAYING for it already, just to a private company. We've let their propaganda convince us that we don't have any influence over how the government is run, that it's destined to fail. That's just what they want you to believe, so that the rich bastards running things can siphon more money from your wallet than you need to pay, without being accountable to you at all.
The moral? I don't care if you DO love HMOs, you can't deny that they constantly try to squeeze you. Take some action people! Call your freakin' representation (they work for you, even if you didn't vote for them), and demand action (whether it be universal care or a reformation of the current system). Make them sweat off a few of the pounds they say YOU are supposed to lose to fix the system. Don't just email them, either. Make their phones ring, and you WILL see something happen.
You can get their numbers at USA dot gov slash contact dot shtml... jeez, just google it.
Don't let me down! :)
So he saying fat people shouldn't complain because they are the problem?? Wow, so much for his polling numbers. Because I hate to tell him but the majority of Americans are fat. Now that's a fact he can't dispute. He just lost a big group (no pun intended) of voters. If he wants to stand in front of all Americans and tell them “we’d have no healthcare crisis if it weren’t for the fat folks”, someone is going to eat him for lunch.
With lower healthcare costs people would be more likely to visit the doctor regularly and avoid smaller problems becoming large ones, not to meantion if there was a way to write off joining a gym on your taxes, then maybe working out and trying to live healthier would make more sense to people. Just saying it's good for your health and will make you live longer doesn't always do it for people, but to say those things and that it will save you money on your taxes may be just the right chord to strike with some people. Personally I hope we do more for healthcare reform. Michael Moore isn't going after republicans or democrats in this film as much as he's trying to point out something he's seeing as being wrong with america that we have the ability to change. There is so much that we can't change or that will take a long time to see any positive effect, but this is something that we could benefit from in years rather than a lifetime. Think about it.
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t always amazes me the people listen to Huckabee in his political speeches. Everyone knows and accepts that he slices, dices and glues issues together more than a Ginsu infomercial. Sad commentary if people really believe Huckabee understands (or cares) about the root causes of any issue.
Ironically, Moore agrees with Huckabee. Moore has said that, as a result of doing this film, he is trying to become more healthy. He's already shed quite a few pounds and is trying to lose more. He's not a hypocrite. Huckabee is an idiot.
Mike Huckabee can afford to go to any doctor he wants, for any procedure he needs.
80 per cent of the rest of us can't.
That's the bottom line.
It's no wonder the governor is advertising his services to the health insurance corporations--Michael Moore makes a convenient straw man argument to support his quest for campaign funding.
Huckabee's actually got a point. Not eating a bushel of Twinkies may not be a health plan, but it's a good place to start. If people would take responsibility for themselves instead of expecting the government to take care of everything we'd all be way better off. But instead everyone wants to just do whatever they feel like and then expect government and/or society to take care of them when it doesn't work out.
Talk about shooting the messenger. Moore will always be an easy target for righties like the Huckster because, well, he's Michael Moore. So basically, all Republicans have to do is criticize Moore, have all their sheep start nodding and spouting 'they're right... socialized medicine... fat man bad...' and then they don't have to do a bloody thing about the actual problem.
You know that when there's something on which both Republicans and Democrats agree, it's utterly corrupt. Take for example, the recent immigration debacle, or the claim they both make that obese people require more health care. The obese, in my experience, use far less health care than their thin counterparts. The thin, dour, driven, mean, and unhappy, rush to doctors and the the ultra-expensive tests they recommend, to treat their hypocondrias.
Obese people, on the other hand, knowing that doctors can't see the person beneath the obesity, avoid doctors. As a result, obese people pay for insurance, which more often than not, they don't use, with the ever climbing rates of insurance going to help pay for the unhappy narcissisms of their thin and physically, if not mentally or spiritually, fit counterparts.
People are lazy. It is too much effort to eat right and exercise, so they'll take drugs to prop them up. It is too much effort to pay for them, so they'll get the whole country to chip in. Huckabee has told people to try to take some responsibility for themselves.
No, those things will not keep everyone out of the hospital all of the time. No, Huckabee's statement was not a policy, and it certainly isn't likely to win him many friends. But, putting the maneuvering of a presidential campaign aside, Huckabee has at least had the nerve to tell people to shape up and try to take *some* responsibility for their own health and well-being. For Moore's part, if he has decided to focus a little more on his health as a result of making this movie, then I applaud him for it.
I don't understand the mentality that would rather raise a riot to get cheaper drugs than spend a few minutes a day and a little self-control to avoid having to get them at all.
Americans are soooo brain washed by their corporate media and the ruling elite.
When somebody try to point out the 'corruption' within their medical system, these people go after the messenger!!!!
Nobody was even outraged about the people being dropped off in the middle of the street!!! I guess it shows the selfishness of these people.
Whats wrong with you dum dums?
'Everyone knows and accepts that he slices, dices and glues film together'
And tell me which director doesn't? For a good example, I give you The Passion Of The Christ, where, after people who saw this movie, walked out of the theatre proclaiming that it was HISTORY, not one person's perception of his faith put onto the silver screen.
Michael Moore, while being a film director that's solely out to prove whatever point that he's trying to make at the time, offers good media that makes you think and ask yourself important questions. Questions like 'If THEY can do it, why the hell can't we?'
Sure 'being healthier' does bring down your health care costs by not purchasing all of those drugs or tests that need to be done, but the flip side of that is you're still paying a monthly bill to an insurance company while you're healthy. Sure it's a lower cost, but it's revenue that the health companies receive and pay nothing out.
This isn't a Republican or a Democrat thing, it's a PRIORITY THING!
The American people WILL NOT elect some condescending ass like Mike H. Just keep talkng GOP candidates...keep talking...they choice will be SO easy
OK... Americans if you don't run 10 miles a day... then NO INSURANCE!!!!!!
Thanks Mr. Huckabeee. Here is 1 million dollars for your idea.
'Everyone knows and accepts that he slices, dices and glues film together'
And tell me which director doesn't? For a good example, I give you The Passion Of The Christ, where, after people who saw this movie, walked out of the theatre proclaiming that it was HISTORY, not one person's perception of his faith put onto the silver screen.
Michael Moore, while being a film director that's solely out to prove whatever point that he's trying to make at the time, offers good media that makes you think and ask yourself important questions. Questions like 'If THEY can do it, why the hell can't we?'
Sure 'being healthier' does bring down your health care costs by not purchasing all of those drugs or tests that need to be done, but the flip side of that is you're still paying a monthly bill to an insurance company while you're healthy. Sure it's a lower cost, but it's revenue that the health companies receive and pay nothing out.
'How much would oil be if cars got 200 MPG?'
Think about how many wars wouldn't be waged if independant transportation didn't rely solely on crude oil? Consider that large oil companies that seem to double their stock almost literally overnight, subsequently while our gas prices soar to over $3.00 per gallon, and ask yourself that question in the mirror one more time.
This isn't a Republican or a Democrat thing, it's a PRIORITY THING!
I've seen all of Moore's films. Like always I went in expecting to take in as much as possible but understand that the movie is based on one person's belief's or ideas about the controversy concerning a particular event or incident. This movie caught me off guard. It was less an attack at a particular group or people or office and rather an educational film concerning our healthcare system compared to other countries. Countries we are supposed to be 'more advanced then' at least according to our government.
I understand there are a lot of Moore haters out there but please trust me. This movie is worth seeing. It is different then his other films. This one is MEANT to educate people rather then bring up conspiracy theories.
I won’t lie… in terms of HEALTH CARE and health care only this movie did make me want to move to another country.
Are the first responders to 911 'guilty' for their lung problems? Was the cancer patient 'guilty' for contracting cancer? Was the woman whose car was rearended who was injured and unconscious 'guilty' for not getting pre-approved by her HMO for ambulance services to the hospital?
watch the film before taking silly pot shots at Moore about the weight problem which he is trying to do something about.
It sounds like you are tarring all the other people in the U.S. with health care issues with your gripe, just playing Mr. Tough Conservative, with no flipping idea of a solution to why americans pay so much more to get so much less.
He should be humiliated that not only are we behind all the western nations, there are 3rd world countries with a better record.
The government should not be in the health care business, instead, it should write standard health care policy and allow companies to compete. Market force will drive down the cost. Government should be the enforcer, make sure no foul play and protect the honest consumers and honest businesses.
It is rude to call someone fat, but Huckabee does have a point. People should be responsible to their own health, and policy seller should be allowed to drop policy holder if who becomes unfit. Just like car insurance, if you have one too many accidents, it is difficult to buy standard policy at a normal rate.
First of all, being fat is a moot point. The only thing that being fat will do is dig into the profits of the already wealthy insurance companies. If everybody were to get healthier, they would say 'great, more profit', not 'great, we can help more people'. I see absolutely no correlation between strain on the medical system and quality of care received. The only good thing about a privately-provided service is that it can scale itself indefinitely. The problem is that lots of people can't take advantage of it.
Secondly, you aren't going to be able to change the amount of food 300+ million people eat. You won't be able to make them all thin. The point of the government and industries is to cater to the needs of the people, in this case health care, not for people to cater to the greatest desires of the government and private companies. Where did that get lost? In some strange translation of the law?
Thirdly, having lived in Canada for over ten years and living in Paris now, seeing even one case such as what was brought up in the movie is absolutely disgusting. You can scream and shout until you are blue in the face, but you will NEVER see that in either Canada or France. There would not be one case of a person seeking medical attention who could not have a doctor try to help you. Not for one person in one year, not for one person in ten years, not for millions of people in one year, ten years, 100 years. I just can't stress enough that to even be able to shoot footage of that happening in a first-world country means there is something terribly, terribly wrong. It's just something that didn't exist and wasn't possible as far as I was concerned until I saw this movie...
whatajoke
That's what you are. It's obvious that even if you saw the movie you have a Republican slant of view. there is no doubt that Michael Moore has a bias, but you missed the entire point.
The point of the movie was to illustrate the plight of millions of Americans (who aren't necessarily obese) who are denied proper medical care and are at the mercy of the billion dollar health care industry.
There is no denying that other countries with less financial prominence than ours find a better way to take care of their own.
It just amazes me to witness how you lock step to the party line.
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