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I live in a fishing village and we get a lot of Americans here. Things are coming to a boiling point, the visiting savages are totally out of control in their attitudes, language and behavior. Soon they will not be welcome at all. We got along just fine before, without the tourorrist dollars. We'll do fine again without them. While it is nice to have tourists enjoy our fantastic scenery and fishing, this is NOT the USA. Looking at all the comments on M&C, I can safely assume that these people are Republicans. No one else is as uncivilised as them.
' It is unfortunate how many people absolutely refuse to believe anything positive about Obama. This man could fix the economy, '
Like Carted did? Or LBJ?
' provide every American citizen with healthcare'
Who is going to pay for all that? Do you think he has a magic wand? Probably...
'and end the war in Iraq '
You mean LOSE the war in Iraq. A war that we are on the threashold of winning.
' He has answered the questions about his past several times and yet the questions remain'
Because he is a proven liar.
'Better yet, admit that there is nothing he can do to gain your trust because you will never see him as anything more than a skin color...'
So trust a proven liar with a disturbing record or you are a racist... yeah, heard that argument before.
'hings are coming to a boiling point, the visiting savages are totally out of control in their attitudes, language and behavior. Soon they will not be welcome at all.'
Put up a sign, 'no Americans'.
'this is NOT the USA.'
That explains your petty envy. Where is 'this'?
You really have to feel sorry for the Republicans who can't even stop the political evilness for two days until Obama returns from Hawaii. The GOP don't stand a chance this election and they need to come to the realization that their days are over, possibly for good. Light at the end of the tunnel, Amen.
'If John McCains mother was ill and he had to go and see her before a turn for the worst (god forbid no one with half a heart wants this for ANYONE), us on the left side wouldn't be sitting here blasting out GARBAGE like this because we respect both candidates DUTY to focus on family in dire times.'
You must be joking! My god you must be joking! McCain has been called a traitor, a Vietnamese collaborator, a senile fool, Palin has been subjected to truly vicious and crazy hate mongering, as have her family, including a handicapped child. The left has shown that there is no bottom that they wont sink to.
That said, this has been milked for as much publicity as possible.
'In Hawaii, family (also known as ohana) is truly sacred in it's own very unique way'
Is it the same way in Indonesia?
'. This was also a part of this man's upbringing while in Hawaii.'
His upbringing in Chicago was to be taught that the white people in the USA created AIDS to kill minorities.
' Show some respect for an elderly person who is ill'
I hope sincerely hope Mrs. Dunaham gets well soon. I also hope that she has plenty of time to spend with her grandchild when he gets defeated in November.
' You guys are getting uglier in your attitudes by the minute.'
You aint seen nothing yet.
For those who keep insisting Obama is not an American citizens,
Philip Berg, the man who is suing Obama about citizenship, also sued Bush/Cheney in 2004 (election year) for creating 9/11. That lawsuit, like the citizenship lawsuit, is also pending. Now, I say we should all go and start spreading accusation that Bush/Cheney are terrorists.
Why Obama doesn't show his certificate? He did.
Why Obama doesn't want to deal this lawsuit? It's baseless and pointless.
Why do some people believe Mr.Berg? They're easy led.
Obama traveled to Europe this summer with his U.S. Passport. Obvious the European nations should be sued also by Mr.Berg for obscuring truth.
Actually fixing the health care system would be easy enough.First you need to know you have the most expensive system in the world.Yet it rates quite low .So improving it and making it accessible for all wull only make it cheaper.The problem is that the insurance companies that are supposed to cover you care for one thing above all:maximum profit .
Once the profit is taken out of the equation ,all the money is going to where it needs to go.Shouldn't be too difficult.We do it.
McCain unfortunately is funded by the insurance companies,a very powerful lobby withing the GOP campaign.
'The GOP don't stand a chance this election and they need to come to the realization that their days are over, possibly for good. '
Don't count on it. You might just get the same 'politics before country' that the democrats have subjected Bush to for the past 8 years.
Actually a litle googling would have showed you this:
/www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Now tell me again it is impossible to have your country performing better ....to me that would be the real anti americanism which consist of coping with a mediocre system and trying to portray it as performing well.
McCain will do nothing to improve it,all his proposed measures are merely pouring more money into the insurance companies bank accounts .the only smart solution is to bypass them.
'Actually fixing the health care system would be easy enough.'
Sure, turn it over to the government and they will fix it like they fix everything else.
'he problem is that the insurance companies that are supposed to cover you care for one thing above all:maximum profit .
Once the profit is taken out of the equation ,all the money is going to where it needs to go.'
Once you take profit out of the equation doctors will find something else to do that is profitable. Once you take profit out of the equation, drug companies will do something else that is profitable. Once you take profit out of the equation people WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE, you idiot. Why develop a drug or build an MRI If you have some flunky who used to work at the motor vehicles giving out license plates telling you that you can't make a profit off of it?
'McCain unfortunately is funded by the insurance companies,'
That is a lie, another one from tonny. Obama has taken as much from the medical industry.
If monsters and Critics were a stellar blog, reading it might be worth the irritation of crawling pop-ups and advertising links scattered throught the articles. It isn't. This practice clearly indicates the blog's desperation to seell ads. When ads are splashed across an article, it means that ads are more inportant to the blog than content. There you have it, Monsters and Critics. Now be a good little spammer and block my IP.
McCain suspended his campaign for the good of the country - not! He did nothing, nor was he exactly welcomed in Washington at first. If anyone thinks Obama visiting his grandmother is a political ploy, well then you can damn well bet that was what McCain was trying to do!!!
Why the U.S. Ranks Low on WHO's Health-Care Study
By John Stossel
The New York Times recently declared 'the disturbing truth ... that ... the United States is a laggard not a leader in providing good medical care.'
As usual, the Times editors get it wrong.
They find evidence in a 2000 World Health Organization (WHO) rating of 191 nations and a Commonwealth Fund study of wealthy nations published last May. In the WHO rankings, the United States finished 37th, behind nations like Morocco, Cyprus and Costa Rica. Finishing first and second were France and Italy. Michael Moore makes much of this in his movie 'Sicko.'[...]
So the verdict is in. The vaunted U.S. medical system is one of the worst.
But there's less to these studies than meets the eye. They measure something other than quality of medical care. So saying that the U.S. finished behind those other countries is misleading.
First let's acknowledge that the U.S. medical system has serious problems. But the problems stem from departures from free-market principles. The system is riddled with tax manipulation, costly insurance mandates and bureaucratic interference. Most important, six out of seven health-care dollars are spent by third parties, which means that most consumers exercise no cost-consciousness. As Milton Friedman always pointed out, no one spends other people's money as carefully as he spends his own.
Even with all that, it strains credulity to hear that the U.S. ranks far from the top. Sick people come to the United States for treatment. When was the last time you heard of someone leaving this country to get medical care? The last famous case I can remember is Rock Hudson, who went to France in the 1980s to seek treatment for AIDS.
So what's wrong with the WHO.. study? Let me count the ways.
The WHO judged a country's quality of health on life expectancy. But that's a lousy measure of a health-care system. Many things that cause premature death have nothing do with medical care. We have far more fatal transportation accidents than other countries. That's not a health-care problem.
Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.
When you adjust for these 'fatal injury' rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.
Diet and lack of exercise also bring down average life expectancy.
Another reason the U.S. didn't score high in the WHO rankings is that we are less socialistic than other nations. What has that got to do with the quality of health care? For the authors of the study, it's crucial. The WHO judged countries not on the absolute quality of health care, but on how 'fairly' health care of any quality is 'distributed.' The problem here is obvious. By that criterion, a country with high-quality care overall but 'unequal distribution' would rank below a country with lower quality care but equal distribution.
It's when this so-called 'fairness,' a highly subjective standard, is factored in that the U.S. scores go south.
The U.S. ranking is influenced heavily by the number of people -- 45 million -- without medical insurance. As I reported in previous columns, our government aggravates that problem by making insurance artificially expensive with, for example, mandates for coverage that many people would not choose and forbidding us to buy policies from companies in another state.
Even with these interventions, the 45 million figure is misleading. Thirty-seven percent of that group live in households making more than $50,000 a year, says the U.S. Census Bureau. Nineteen percent are in households making more than $75,000 a year; 20 percent are not citizens, and 33 percent are eligible for existing government programs but are not enrolled.
For all its problems, the U.S. ranks at the top for quality of care and innovation, including development of life-saving drugs. It 'falters' only when the criterion is proximity to socialized medicine.
ncredible.........
'McCain suspended his campaign for the good of the country - not!'
Of course it was.
'He did nothing'
Not true.
'nor was he exactly welcomed in Washington at first.'
Maybe not by nancy Pelosi...
Hey Suspicious,
It was only a matter of time before your kind turned up regarding this story to toss out a conspiracy theory. You and your kind are the single greatest asset to the Democratic party. I encourage you to have lunch sometime with Rep. Bachman of Minnesota. She's gonna have lots of time on her hands in about 11 days after her McCarthyism.
To suggest that he left the campaign as a stunt is so hypocritical when you consider all the stunts McCain has pulled starting with the Palin pick and pretending to suspend his campaign to swoop in and save the country. When Obama's grandmother dies, I'm sure you won't be apologetic...you'll be onto you latest Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly inspired comspiracy theory. Wow, get a life dude.
'I want to give her a kiss and a hug,' Obama told ABC. 'And then we're going to find out what chores I can do, because I'm sure there's been some stuff that's been left undone.'
That's exactly what my family did when my grandma was passing away. It's what I would hope my family would do, and I'll consider myself blessed if they are.
I know it's hard for those who want to vilify Obama to admit this, but it really is possible that he is a normal guy who loves his grandmother and wants to be there if her time is coming. He really could be a regular American - a really smart ambitious regular American - with family that he loves.
Get over it. Otherwise, you're in for more years just like the Clinton presidency, where a good president made the country stronger, safer and wealthier amid a neverending cacophony of hate, plots, and accusations from the Right. And, gosh, doesn't that sound like fun?
It has to be true about hus grandmother cuz it's too risky to lie about something that's too easily disproved. The press would be all over it if it wasn't true.
Hawaii guy here again. Let's play a game. It's called 'Paint the Kettle Black'...
You: 'You must be joking! My god you must be joking! McCain has been called a traitor, a Vietnamese collaborator, a senile fool, Palin has been subjected to truly vicious and crazy hate mongering, as have her family, including a handicapped child. The left has shown that there is no bottom that they wont sink to. That said, this has been milked for as much publicity as possible.'
Me: Sorta like how McCain 'suspended' his campaign? Na, there was no media frenzy around that. And McCain and his people sure as heck never touted that as a reflection of the man's character did they? It was never once trying to be sold to all of us as some sort of talking point about how dedicated he is bla bla bla. In regards to the name calling, I'll speak for myself, and probably many other people on this side of the aisle about the name calling from BOTH parties: we don't care about it because it's all part of the big election game. Misinformation, propaganda, libel, smears.. it happens every election. We just want fixes to the nations problems, so the verbal assaults are just noisemakers over and over. Assaults on each others character isn't helping my mortgage get any better, so I don't care. Do you? Is it really gonna affect you in 6 months either way? Did it pay down any bills for you?
You: 'Is it the same way in Indonesia?'
Me: Wouldn't know, never been there. You? No? Ok, well maybe you should find someone who has. But then again, why bother? What the hell does this question even mean? Is it some kind of swipe in regards from him spending time out there as a kid? If so, then let's go get all up in arms about McCain being born in the canal zone of Panama Canal. Really pointless.. I don't care where either were born as long as they are both American citizens and they are truthful and honorable in their intentions. But guess what; we won't know that until the time comes.
You: 'His upbringing in Chicago was to be taught that the white people in the USA created AIDS to kill minorities.'
Me: Holy mole you are one freaky dude. Prove this. Please prove this. That's a funny point to make considering his mother is white, therefore (do the math here) he is.... yes there ya go.. half white. So who taught him this? Gonna go with Ayers again? Sorry AIDS wasn't even mainstream yet when Obama was 8, and wasn't even a blip on the US medical radar. Try again. Oh wait, his reverend! Of course! Too bad the mean old Reverend has co-chaired an inner-city AIDS awareness initiative since the 1980's. Well shoot.. who can we tar and feather now. Pack up your burning cross Cleetus.
You: 'You aint seen nothing yet.'
Me: Classy. Good for you. Go out there and keep up the good fight. Try not to wonder why people think you're a loon after you get done with your tirades without proof or, and this is truly telling, your inability to think for yourself. You read all this stuff on some site you probably frequent often to get your talking points. So therefore if it's on the internet, it must be true. Diversify your research, save links from reliable AUTHENTICATED sources which include media from ALL OVER the world, instead of repeatedly buying the same lines from the party faithful. It's their job to rev you up on whatever they can slip into the media, but is it your job to buy it? Be your own reporter.
Best of luck out there. May the best man win this election, and may our country start to heal.
didnt he take his swearing in oath on the koran. if he did thats kinda scary to me.are we sure hes an american , wouldnt that be something for them to get one of their own in office.that they could pull that off. and with everything that is going on.wouldn't that be the big shocker.
I am not an American, but lives in US as non-immigrant. I am shocked to read some of evil/narrow mined comments here in this blog. We all have relative and close ones, some of them are priceless. I admire obama for taking some time off and visiting his ailing grandma. Please show some compassion and human values and at least keep politics whether it is left or right aside and treat every one with respect and dignity.
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