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by all means, take your time...
another one, SP. Your comments are getting sillier as time goes on.
'by all means, take your time...'
The punchline: we don't even need new tankers.
not if soaring maintenance costs, off-line availability and obsolecence are not a concern. This is how it works:
Wing flies from US to...Italy...refueling goes with them...breaks down or needs 24 to 48 hours of work after it gets there...everyone gets two days off...
The poor sod above thinks machines last forever...honestly, why do citizens not inform themselves.
We have needed this for the last 20 YEARS! Congress and the Pentagon spend on all sorts of things except the non-sexy stuff like this. This thing, as easy to make as anything in the inventory, should have come on-line during the Clinton administration.
'The poor sod above thinks machines last forever...honestly, why do citizens not inform themselves.'
How old are our B-52s?
...we tried, 3 times, to replace them and the reason they are still around is because we failed.
So now, we have a f--kiing 50 year old Bomber, with half the carrying capacity of the B1B, one tenth the survivability of the B2, that probably costs at least twice as much to keep aloft per hour.
Other procurement Gems:
C-17 - we built them and then flew the old C141's for 30 years, while we had brand new planes with more capability, coming off the line.
B2 - cutting the number procured, raised the cost and we had ANOTHER porgram we f--ked ourselves on
B1B - the prototype for gov't f--kups. The perfect replacement for the B52 and Carter pissed it away.
F22- ditto...runaway development and cuts killed the necessary purchase and now F-15's are breaking up mid-air.
V22 - endless development for something that was never necessary
Navy Littoral Combat ship - just pick a reason...
DD21 - ditto
Congress starts cutting numbers the day they debut the program.
'..we tried, 3 times, to replace them and the reason they are still around is because we failed.'
Or because it has been more cost effective to keep them going and the alternatives don't fill the same niche as well. Replace the 8 engines with 4 turbofans and they will have another decade or two.
'with half the carrying capacity of the B1B,'
But much longer loiter time unrefueled range and versatility.
'that probably costs at least twice as much to keep aloft per hour.'
My guess is that it would be less.
The Saudies are going to fill in, to save the french industry.
In case some nut like SP4 comes up with the less than brilliant argument that you need all that stuff to defend your allies that are too lazy to provide for their own security and other blah blah...don't bother ,that stuff is useless and only on the agenda to provide more profit to the military industrial complex as described by Ike Eisenhower .To be paid for with your money.Funny how the republicans only oppose spending when education or health care is concerned .When it concerns military spending the taps are always opened widely .The poor SP4 is again the perfect example but unfortunately also the result of such spending .Kindergarten obviously is one of his two degrees.
Tonny, when you can evolve to speak to an American eye to eye then your opinion might count.
you raise no good points, Grasssmoker.
The loss of this contract is abig loss to french air bus company. The yare going to sue the US DoD. But negotiations are going on to pressure arab slave nations to compensate for those losses.
The loss of this contract is abig loss to french air bus company. The yare going to sue the US DoD. But negotiations are going on to pressure arab slave nations to compensate for those losses. So no question of bankrupcy.
As long as we have SLAVES WITH MONEY we have every thing we need.
Wake up idiot slavery is over and done with .What kind of silly ranting is that .It is more obvious that the american companies tke their own population for idiots as they have been pumping your money for decades offering nothing in return .Or are you perhaps going to eat the armament you keep producing ?You've spent trillions of dollars of good taxpayr's money to feed the greed of the armament tycoons and nothing of the stuff produced adds ro your comfort ,pleasure or lifestyle .So who's the slave now ?
'You've spent trillions of dollars of good taxpayr's money to feed the greed of the armament tycoons and nothing of the stuff produced adds ro your comfort ,pleasure or lifestyle '
And to defend your ignorant rear end.... Gee, we get so much satisfaction from that. Ill take an armaments manufacturer over a sanctimonious, effeminate, ungrateful, pompous, ignorant waffle eating surrender monkey any day.
In case some nut like SP4 comes up with the less than brilliant argument that you need all that stuff to defend your allies that are too lazy to provide for their own security and other blah blah...don't bother
sp4 - actually, it is simply America serving itself here...
,that stuff is useless and only on the agenda to provide more profit to the military industrial complex as described by Ike Eisenhower .
sp4 - curious because he never invented the term until he'd won the war he was responsible for winning...
To be paid for with your money.
sp4 - who elses?
Funny how the republicans only oppose spending when education or health care is concerned .
sp4 - actually, the republicans will have everyone insured in Massachusetts in 2 years and a pilot program for the nation. Leave it to Mitt and the republicans to come to the solution.
When it concerns military spending the taps are always opened widely .
sp4 - actually Tonny, this bid has has been 20 years overdue and a contentious bid. In fact, it's not even over yet.
The poor SP4 is again the perfect example but unfortunately also the result of such spending .
Kindergarten obviously is one of his two degrees.
sp4 - sticks and stone>
Tonny, I am a practical man. Men and women depend on these for their lives. If we need new hardware, buy it. That's all this subject deserves.
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