SP4: Obama's churchJul 3rd, 2008 - 00:44:19

...has nothing to do with real Christianity. No real Christian church would let in a radical muslim in to speak on the pulpit, during a service.

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@ SPdrug addictJul 3rd, 2008 - 01:22:10

Put down the bong, go to rehab. The only other way to get it through your drug addled brain is to beat it in with a bat: Obama is NOT anything but a Christian. Grow up, child. Get a brain, get a life, get a job, and for Christ's sake get the heck out of mommy's basement.

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Hey, SPJul 3rd, 2008 - 01:24:18

what church do you belong to, The Chuch of Genuine Idiots and A-holes?

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Thanks for the Obama press release M&CJul 3rd, 2008 - 01:31:49

'Questions of patriotism plague candidates ahead of July 4'

No one is questioning McCain's patriotism.

'Another repeated claim is that he is a Muslim, and even that he attended a radical Islamic madrassa school during a four-year spell in Indonesia as a young child.'

Google: 'President Apostate'

www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam

www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

Obama was sent to Indonesian schools where he was enrolled as a muslim and given islamic instruction there. He doesn't even deny this. Chris Cermak should check his facts before he regurgitates Obama press releases.

'Obama is in fact a Christian,'

If you call Jeremiah Wrights church Christian... Not tooo much about love and forgiveness there from what I have seen.

'His father was a Muslim from Kenya but abandoned the family when he was aged two.'

You forgot the word 'polygamist'.

' Obama said. 'Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it.' '

Well, Obama has cultivated relationships with Bill Ayres and Bernadette Dohrn, terrorists with the 'Weather underground' who attempted to murder Americans, set off bombs and tried to murder service members at the pentagon. 'Reverend' Wright, who preaches God Damn America from his pulpit, Michelle Obama, who has never been proud of the USA and who calls it a 'mean country'....Etc Etc Etc.

No, McCain has shown he loves the USA by deed and sacrafice. Obama has shown contempt for it.

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There is no contest here.Jul 3rd, 2008 - 01:49:19

Obama Patriotism:

mklasing.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/obama-pledge.jpg

McCain Patriotism:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/McCainWithSquadron.jpg

Obama:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOtNHyejrU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGalQ1YdcI

McCain:

For McCain, son’s duty in Iraq is not a talking point
By Roxana Tiron
Posted: 04/02/08 07:53 PM [ET]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) regularly talks about his military experience on the presidential campaign trail, but he draws the line when asked about his sons’ service in the armed forces.

Jimmy McCain, 19, who returned from Iraq in mid-February, is stationed at Camp Pendleton in California. Jack McCain, 21, is poised to graduate from the Naval Academy and could join the Marines as a second lieutenant.

At a time when Democrats are calling for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq, McCain has refused to use his children’s experience to strengthen his arguments for keeping the U.S. military in the Middle Eastern country.

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At SP's churchJul 3rd, 2008 - 01:59:46

they dress up in white sheets, just like the Vestal Virgins. Then, after a quart of liquid courage they go out and burn a cross on someone's front lawn.

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PperfectJul 3rd, 2008 - 02:11:29

Oops, lets see. Hmmmmmmm:

RCP Average 06/16 - 07/01 -- 47.4 42.0 Obama +5.4
CNN 06/26 - 06/29 906 RV 50 45 Obama +5.0
Gallup Tracking 06/29 - 07/01 2665 RV 46 44 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen Tracking 06/29 - 07/01 3000 LV 49 44 Obama +5.0
Democracy Corps (D) 06/22 - 06/25 2000 LV 49 45 Obama +4.0
Time 06/19 - 06/25 805 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 06/19 - 06/23 1115 RV 49 37 Obama +12.0
Franklin & Marshall 06/16 - 06/22 1501 RV 42 36 Obama +6.0

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Oregon4ObamaJul 3rd, 2008 - 02:28:16

ok about patriotism.....Um patriotisms deffinition or accepted deffinition seems to have changed from 1908 to 2008.....Serving your country on the battlefield or serving your community should be the same thing......McCain served in the navy, Obama served as a community organizer, neither of these titles or actions make one man more patriotic than the other.....simple as that.....

Oh and for all those people who want to attack obama for being a 'secret Muslim' get a life, He is a Christian, McCain has acknowleged it and even many other conservatives and even Billy Graham know his religous background as Christian......

But heres a question....even if he was Muslim (he's not) who cares.....do you know anything about that religion???.....because the people who attacked us on 911 were acting in the same ways the nazi's did in the name of christianity......they are taking pieces of the Quran and warping it to fit thier ideology.....Many wars have been started on false pretenses of what 'God' wants us to do......unfortunately, no Bible or religion says to KILL people just because, there are preconditions before attacking....

Ever read the christian bible??? What did Jesus do when he saw sales stands in the courtyard near the holy temple??? he tore them down, he threw a fit and told them that they are trying to sell things on holy land.......Sound familliar......

in the Quran, they may only attack if thier holy land is being decicrated and invaded by those who wish to claim it for thier own or in the name of another god, then they are called 'infidels' and can be killed.....

Here's the thing, if you are secure in enough in your religion you wont fear other religions.....Obama is a Christian and has said it more proudly than McCain ever has, we just assume McCain is Christain.....Obama has made more speeches and provided more solutions to appease both Church and State separation laws, and has spoken about the Lord and his teachings not just in churches, but other public arenas....

Republican does not mean Christian....and most evangelicals dont represent what Jesus wanted

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RichardJul 3rd, 2008 - 03:03:24

For those of you who are not already following the story, there is an increasingly strong possibility that Obama may not by technical definition, be eligible to be the President of the United States. But you won’t see this anywhere at the moment in the mainstream media. They are not yet running with the story. It is quietly taking shape on the Internet.

The reason for this possibility relates to Obama's birth certificate. Now, you might be thinking, 'didn't Obama post his birth certificate on his 'fight the smears' website? Well, yes he did post an image of what appears at first glance to be a birth certificate. (You can find it quickly by Googling “fight the smears” and then click his link on the left that says “birth certificate”)

But note that this document does not contain the official embossed seal of Hawaii (the state he claims to have been born) and it is NOT SIGNED. Both the seal and signature are required to make the document an image of a valid birth certificate. And if you're thinking that maybe it's on the backside, note the reversed image of the date of 'Jun 6, 2007' that bleeds through from the back. If anything else were on the back, it would therefore also bleed through to the front so you could see it. But there is nothing else on the back.

Obama's campaign released his so called 'birth certificate' online a few weeks ago. But he would have been better off posting nothing because it has now only raised more questions than it hoped to have quelled.

I believe the Obama campaign is praying this issue goes away, but the more people hear about it, it won’t. If he has nothing to hide, the solution is blatantly simple: He should contact Hawaiian officials and authorize that 'certified and signed copies' of his birth records be made available to the media. Remember, theoretically the birth certificate that the media would see should be identical to the one he posted online except it would be signed and be sealed.

But Mr. Obama, the man who claims he wants to “fight the smears” and respond with “truth” seems to be refusing to allow anyone a look at his actual birth certificate. As each day passes and more people learn of it, I bet it will become a campaign issue.

Nixon stonewalled on release of the Watergate tapes for good reason; he was guilty. I’m wondering if Obama has the same problem.

I predict that Hillary is going to be making a come back. The fireworks are getting ready to begin, and I'm not talking about the 4th of July!

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You should reexamine your candidateJul 3rd, 2008 - 04:50:55

''Serving your country on the battlefield or serving your community should be the same thing......McCain served in the navy, Obama served as a community organizer, neither of these titles or actions make one man more patriotic than the other.....simple as that.....'

Well, no, it is not simple as that.Firstly, McCain went through 4 years of the naval Academy another 6 years of service and 5 and a half years of hell as a POW in Hanoi. He put his life on the line for the USA. Obama briefly worked as a 'community organizer' that had an outreach to Chicago gangs which proved to be completely useless. His service to the community of Chicago has resulted in more crime, more drugs and more poverty then ever and the only other thing it resulted in was that his friends got rich off the tax payers.

Here, read up:
www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_ obamas_housing_policy

'Oh and for all those people who want to attack obama for being a 'secret Muslim' '

He was born a muslim by islamic law. He was educated as such, That is the fact.

'He is a Christian'

Yes, he went to that racist church, we know.

'.....because the people who attacked us on 911 were acting in the same ways the nazi's did in the name of christianity.'

The Nazis did not act in the name of Christianity.

'no Bible or religion says to KILL people just because, there are preconditions before attacking....'

The Koran commands muslims to kill infidels. I can quote you the passages.

'in the Quran, they may only attack if thier holy land is being decicrated and invaded by those who wish to claim it for thier own or in the name of another god, then they are called 'infidels' and can be killed.....'

They can 'attack infidels wherever they find them' According to Sura 9:29.

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

It goes on and on likethat.

'Republican does not mean Christian....and most evangelicals dont represent what Jesus wanted'

And these guys do?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6rTvwV9L4

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