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Yep! Now we are going to get a universal draft. You'll get a choice. You can go overseas with a gun, or you can go overseas with a shovel or a bedpan or something. Cheer up, kiddies! It'll be fun!
'We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as strong.''
Gee, lets get more people on the government payroll since the government always does such a good job at management. Organized in paramilitary fashion and dependent on the Obama administration for their paychecks... FANTASTIC. Why not call them the peoples army? Just like Communist China or Soviet Russia? This thing the DNC has nominated is unbelievably dangerous.
''Loving your country shouldn't just mean watching fireworks on the fourth of July,' the Illinois senator said. 'Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it.' '
Change it in to a bankrupt, appeasing, socialist nanny state? Sorry, I don't need any lectures on patriotism from someone who has never failed to befriend whatever America hating or America attacking SOB that he has come in to contact with. From God Damn America preacher to his bomb planting, US flag stomping pal Bill Ayres to his America resenting wife... Obama is in no position to talk about patriotism the filthy hypocrite.
And just think, kiddies, your new uniforms will have both stripes and plaids. That way you can start clashing before you start marching.
What a bunch of idiots. The whole lot of you. Your stupid comments do not even deserve comments. How do you-all make it everyday without jumping off a bridge. Bunch of babies, why don't you cry into your binkies.
RE:'What a bunch of idiots. The whole lot of you. Your stupid comments do not even deserve comments. How do you-all make it everyday without jumping off a bridge. Bunch of babies, why don't you cry into your binkies.'
Okay, so the stripes and plaids crack was a little over the top. I'll tell you what, Pperfect. We'll have 'em wear striped tops and plaid shorts with tall socks, but we'll make the tops t-tops and the shorts can be as baggy as the new trooper wants them to be. Oh, and you'll be allowed to wear your cover sideways.
Will that work?
'What a bunch of idiots. '
Quelle surprise, you don't have any kind of rebuttal. No doubt you are hoping to be a political kommissar in the new peoples army... a lateral transition from incompetent college professor.
'Your stupid comments do not even deserve comments.'
Then shut your arugula hole.
is it necessary to repeat every previous comment when you are responding??
A lot of the posters are idiots without an intelligent comment on the article.
Is the future President of the USA
a) The Father of the Nation?
...or
b) Just another Warmonger after the Oil?
So, Noharness, when are you going to put down your baby bottle full of Jack Daniels, do something useful with your life and enlist? You'd look positively dashing in a pink Beret and matching diapers.
'Quelle surprise, you don't have any kind of rebuttal. No doubt you are hoping to be a political kommissar in the new peoples army... a lateral transition from incompetent college professor.'
I am sure you meant to say 'well surprise', but Quelle sounds right for a bigoted right wing jealous creep like you but lets review your very intelligent discourse on the next President of the United States---your and my Commander in Chief just for you GI Joe playing nutballs.
'Gee, lets get more people on the government payroll since the government always does such a good job at management. Organized in paramilitary fashion and dependent on the Obama administration for their paychecks... FANTASTIC. Why not call them the peoples army? Just like Communist China or Soviet Russia? This thing the DNC has nominated is unbelievably dangerous.'
Yes I think it is awful for people to serve their country don't you? What kind of response is that to an idea to help my country? And the peoples army comment shows your red baiting pee sized brain, how could a volunteer group[ end up as the peoples army---it could not, just more dribble out of your clown mouth. And the thing you are supporting cannot even keep his campaign together, nor help his own party as there are not many in his own party that want to support him cause he is not a Jesus Freak. Our guy gets lots of support---our bad!
'Change it in to a bankrupt, appeasing, socialist nanny state? Sorry, I don't need any lectures on patriotism from someone who has never failed to befriend whatever America hating or America attacking SOB that he has come in to contact with. From God Damn America preacher to his bomb planting, US flag stomping pal Bill Ayres to his America resenting wife... Obama is in no position to talk about patriotism the filthy hypocrite.'
It is already bankrupt fool, the sign has yet to be posted. He will bring it back with his new ideas, or because he is black you just cannot see your way to support him??? Then the same old crap, Bill Ayres this, flag stomping that, preacher this wife that. You are a pathetic hate mongering sod. He has gone much further in his life than you have so I guess he can lefture you about anything he pleases, what a Putz.
'Then shut your arugula hole.'
You know I love arugula, but as I have told you along with numerous others on this board I do not have to shut up. You are a vile right wing Nazi that preaches how much of an American you are and yet do not support the basics of Democracy---which is we all have the right and the obligation to speak up when we see something we do not agree with---and that be you Putz!
'I am sure you meant to say 'well surprise','
No, It is called 'French', it is another language you 'educated' person you... I was being sarcastic, because I am not surprised that you didn't have an intelligent rebuttal.
'Quelle sounds right for a bigoted right wing jealous creep '
Such ignorance. You are the bigot, as has been demonstrated you are the only one voting for someone because of their race. Jealous of what? Anyone right of Che is 'right wing' to you and 'creep'? You hurt my feelings again.
'Yes I think it is awful for people to serve their country don't you?'
Not at all, but this doesn't have anything to do with serving the country. As outlined this would be a gargantuan project akin to the WPA which would be about indoctrination rather then service. ''We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.''
A 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military. Think about that. On your and that IDIOT that you nominated reading list you should put the Posse Comitatus Act. A 'civilian national security force', answerable to Obama would turn this country into a police state. One that is 'just as well funded' Would be right up there on the list of things that the moron that you nominated because you too can not think these things through... of things that will bankrupt the country.
So, a bankrupt, socialist police state. This is the USA we are talking about.
'how could a volunteer group[ end up as the peoples army'
By giving hundreds of thousands of people jobs that are dependent on political patronage and whomever is in political office. We simply do not need a 'civilian national security force'. The idea is Orwellian. It is the new brown shirts.
'Our guy gets lots of support---our bad!'
BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO SEE THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT HE IS CALLING FOR. Or more probably, you want to be on board with the socialist police state.
'It is already bankrupt fool'
So flush trillions more down the toilet...fool.
'He will bring it back with his new ideas,'
There is NOT ONE LITTLE THING 'NEW' ABOUT HIS 'IDEAS'. They have been tried over and over and have failed over and over.
'or because he is black you just cannot see your way to support him??? '
Yea, vote for a suffocating police state or you are a racist. God you are a moron. You are so hung up on race that you can't see the obvious. What if Bush was proposing a 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military? Wouldn't that scare you?
'He has gone much further in his life than you have so I guess he can lefture[sic] you about anything he pleases'
No he can't and I have earned where I have gotten.
'You are a vile right wing Nazi'
The MORON said as she advocated a police state. No, I am a freedom loving American who is not going to sit back and watch this dangerous thing create a paramilitary governmental police force that will erode our liberties and subject us to the threat of government sanctioned violence.
'-which is we all have the right and the obligation to speak up when we see something we do not agree with-'
I am exercising that right you lemming.
'-and that be you Putz!'
So, do you want a Obama controlled 'civilian national security force' that is that is 'just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded' as the US military?
Is this just one more thing from your messiah that you accept without thinking because he is the right race?
Don't you think that the whole idea is rife with possibilities for abuse?
When are you going to start burning books? You have the incredible stupidity and willful ignorance to call ME a Nazi? People like me are the only thing that save spoiled rotten idiots like you from yourselves.
'No, It is called 'French', it is another language you 'educated' person you... I was being sarcastic, because I am not surprised that you didn't have an intelligent rebuttal.'
Really there are other languages. Thanks for getting me caught up on the obvious.
'Such ignorance. You are the bigot, as has been demonstrated you are the only one voting for someone because of their race. Jealous of what? Anyone right of Che is 'right wing' to you and 'creep'? You hurt my feelings again. '
Not that you listen, but you are lying again.
'Not at all, but this doesn't have anything to do with serving the country. As outlined this would be a gargantuan project akin to the WPA which would be about indoctrination rather then service. ''We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.''
Ohhhhhh, be afraid, be very afraid. Maybe like the Peace Corp instead??????
'A 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military. Think about that. On your and that IDIOT that you nominated reading list you should put the Posse Comitatus Act. A 'civilian national security force', answerable to Obama would turn this country into a police state. One that is 'just as well funded' Would be right up there on the list of things that the moron that you nominated because you too can not think these things through... of things that will bankrupt the country. '
Again your demented mind at work. I can't believe you have not found the bridge. You're afraid of anything out of your little demented circle.
'So, a bankrupt, socialist police state. This is the USA we are talking about.'
Maybe something that would be great for the country, but no if Obama wants it it must be bad....be afraid, be very afraid.
'By giving hundreds of thousands of people jobs that are dependent on political patronage and whomever is in political office. We simply do not need a 'civilian national security force'. The idea is Orwellian. It is the new brown shirts.'
You mean kind of like the military we have ath the present time? By the way you should know a lot about the 'brown shirts', I am sure you have a few in the closet along with the sheets!
'BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO SEE THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT HE IS CALLING FOR. Or more probably, you want to be on board with the socialist police state.'
Says you. I think McCain's plans to occupy another countgry makes you to stupid to see the implications of our sons and daughters are being killed---for nothing. That makes me right and you wrong? Freaking Nazi!
'So flush trillions more down the toilet...fool.'
No, spend the money here and not in the middle east....fool!
'There is NOT ONE LITTLE THING 'NEW' ABOUT HIS 'IDEAS'. They have been tried over and over and have failed over and over. '
Says you, when have they been tried 'over and over and have failed over and over'?
'Yea, vote for a suffocating police state or you are a racist. God you are a moron. You are so hung up on race that you can't see the obvious. What if Bush was proposing a 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military? Wouldn't that scare you? '
No I did not even ask you to vote for Mr. Obama. I am just happy that I decided to . And 'God you are a moron, a fool and a Nazi as you are stupid enough to say you love this country and then want to stifle people who think differently than you do---real patriotic. Like some idiot said on this board a while back 'hey idiot Bush is not running'.
'No he can't and I have earned where I have gotten. '
From your stance on things and your tolerance for others, you probably stole, cheated, bribed your way to the place you are!
'The MORON said as she advocated a police state. No, I am a freedom loving American who is not going to sit back and watch this dangerous thing create a paramilitary governmental police force that will erode our liberties and subject us to the threat of government sanctioned violence.'
Line at a time. Liar, I doubt it and you are as usual using right wing scare tactics. What a fool.
'I am exercising that right you lemming.'
No you are not, you are trying to intimidate people into your stupid right wing circle Nazi!
'So, do you want a Obama controlled 'civilian national security force' that is that is 'just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded' as the US military? '
Where did I say that? These are ideas idiot. God you must have some great dreams, marching, saluting, bowing??? Your sick!
'Is this just one more thing from your messiah that you accept without thinking because he is the right race? '
Not true as I have pointed out numerous times and you choose to ignore. Has nothing to do with race I would have supported Ms. Clinton or Mr. Obama, something different and a change. No need for another Bush term.
'Don't you think that the whole idea is rife with possibilities for abuse? '
As we all know anything the government has control over has the possibility for abuse. But we need to do something to recharge this country, and the 'same old' is not going to do that.
'When are you going to start burning books? You have the incredible stupidity and willful ignorance to call ME a Nazi? People like me are the only thing that save spoiled rotten idiots like you from yourselves.'
It was you people (the right wing) that like to ban and burn books. And as smart as you hae the ability to be, you have to know you boarder on being a Nazi. You cannot tell people that your ideas are always correct and others always make them idiots.
'Again your demented mind at work. I can't believe you have not found the bridge. You're afraid of anything out of your little demented circle.'
Am I 'afraid' of a gargantuan paramilitary force on the streets of the USA? One that relies on political appointments and a specific party to be funded? You bet. That you have no concern about this tells me that you are just paying lip service to your 'liberal' ideals. It also confirms that you haven't thought through what you have been advocating for. That you have just hopped on the bandwagon.
''So, a bankrupt, socialist police state. This is the USA we are talking about.'
Maybe something that would be great for the country, but no if Obama wants it it must be bad...'
Newsflash: A bankrupt socialist state would not be 'great' for the USA.
'You mean kind of like the military we have ath the present time?'
The military is prohibited by law from deploying in civilian areas. Remember that I advised you to read the Posse Comitatus Act? Do you ever read anything that doesn't have huffpo written across the top?
'I am sure you have a few in the closet along with the sheets!'
Once again, you are the only person involved in this conversation who is voting for someone because of their race. That makes YOU a racist.
'Says you.'
TAKE A LOOK.
'I think McCain's plans to occupy another countgry makes you to stupid to see the implications of our sons and daughters are being killed---for nothing.'
They have been fighting the terrorists who attacked us and bringing democracy to a country that was ruled by a butcher. Turning this over to al Qaeda and Iran at this point would be a crime and would mean that we would have to go back in at greater sacrifice.
'No, spend the money here and not in the middle east...'
On a gigantic police state. No thank you.
'What if Bush was proposing a 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military? Wouldn't that scare you? '
...''hey idiot Bush is not running'.'
That is NOT an answer to the question.
'No I did not even ask you to vote for Mr. Obama. I am just happy that I decided to'
Because you want a gigantic, corrupt, ploated government that makes your decisions for you and now has the power of a force equal to the US military to enforce them. Well, guess what; That is stupid. If you 'feel' that saying to that is nazi like oppression of your free spirit, that too is stupid. Calling an idiot an idiot is not 'unpatriotic'. If you think that there is anything OK about a mega governmental force the size and with the power of the US military on the streets of the USA then you are an idiot.
This is anti-freedom, anti-democracy and inherently totalitarian.
'From your stance on things and your tolerance for others, you probably stole, cheated, bribed your way to the place you are!'
Yeah, in keeping with your indoctrination: Work = Theft.
My tolerance for others? You have been one of the most intolerant people on this board. You have spoken of eradicating those you disagree with, I just refuse to give you any legitimacy.
'I doubt it and you are as usual using right wing scare tactics. What a fool.'
You doubt it? The whole 'plan' is rife with opportunity for abuse. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is what a 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military would give Obama. Absolute power. If you can't see that YOU are the fool.
'you are trying to intimidate people into your stupid right wing circle Nazi!'
You just refuse to see anything 'bad' about this guy. You have defined yourself as the obama sporter and to hell with anything that might challenge your definition of yourself. Understand this: A 'civilian national security force' that is 'just as strong' as the US military is an inherently totalitarian concept. It is very dangerous. I am speaking out of TRUE liberal ideals here. You are the one saying 'authority is fine'. It is just another example of your hypocrisy.
'So, do you want a Obama controlled 'civilian national security force' that is that is 'just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded' as the US military? '
Where did I say that?'
Good grief.
'These are ideas idiot.'
This is what he is telling you that he is going to do.
'Not true as I have pointed out numerous times and you choose to ignore.'
I have your quotes on the subject.
' But we need to do something to recharge this country, and the 'same old' is not going to do that.'
So 'recharge' that would be new-speak for subjugate, right?
'It was you people (the right wing) that like to ban and burn books'
NO. It was people like you. The Stalinist, The Nazis (who started off as a left wing socialist movement) most importantly the lemmings. People who see something wrong but turn their back on it because it is being done by someone from their side. People like me, who have their own moral compass that is independent of the approval of others are the ones who prevent the libraries from being burnt. People like you who go with the crowd are the ones who destroy freedom every time.
psychobabble!!!!!!!
'Just more........psychobabble!!!!!!!'
Just because you are too wooden-headed to understand it doesn't make it psychobabble.
Who, but you who write those long, self-indulgent essays, bothers to read them????
'Who, but you who write those long, self-indulgent essays, bothers to read them????'
So much for being educated.
I very much doubt wasting time reading long tirades of name calling back and forth will add to my education..........!!!!
'I very much doubt wasting time reading long tirades of name calling back and forth will add to my education..........!!!!'
If you are not involved butt out. If you are then that is emblematic of your willful ignorance.
Grow Up!!!
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