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Older Talkback
RE:'Why don't you be honest and enlighten people to your reasoning behind your choice? It isn't because you believe he will do a good job or help the country. ... at the Trinity church?'
Bubba, this is the most disappointing argument you have made to date. I have never hidden my intentions, not once. Nor have I ever made any attempt to hide my reasons for supporting Barack Obama. You are the one who loudly proclaims that Barack Obama will utterly destroy the US.
You suggest that he will do this by two different means. One, by imposing socialist policies on us and thereby ruining the US economy. Two, and as far as you are concerned is the most likely, by allowing external forces to overwhelm us. You agree with Thomas Sowell on this and I firmly believe both of you to be wrong.
This nation cannot be destroyed by any overt external threat, at least not right now. We are bigger, faster and meaner than any other nation on Earth. Yes, we could lose a city, but who ever aided and abetted that would lose their entire country and they know it.
Would Barack Obama be able to impose the whole of his agenda upon us in two years? NO! Proof of that lies in what just happened to the so-called 'Climate Security Bill', S3036. Take a hard look at what happened to that bill and you will understand why I support Barack Obama for president.
I have said that I would RISK the destruction of this country by Barak Obama, not that I expect it. Quite the contrary. I expect something else to be utterly destroyed or at least very badly damaged.
Re'Neither are you. Funny, I always thought that (R) after his name stood for republican.'
Okay, technically, John McCain is a Republican. He IS a party member. I'll give him that much. So was Jim Jeffords and Duke Cunningham. Then, of course, there was the worse than utterly useless Dennis Hastert.
Re:'The thing is, your political ideology isn't particularly 'republican' or 'conservative'. I would classify it more along the lines of 'self destructive' and 'Neanderthal'. Never mind the whole 'unworkable and hypocritical, from a practical standpoint you are a nut case. Some of us think that there should be governmental mechanisms in place to help people who are in trouble. A friend of mine and I flew almost 40 hours straight in and out of New Orleans after Katrina because Americans were dying in the kind of society that you think we all should have. (I know, I know.. survival of the fittest. When people get too old to swim for it they need to be let go, eh? )'
You have never, not once, ever read anything written by me that suggests that I advocate anything of this kind. You haven't because I have never made any such stance, nor have I ever championed any such ideology. I invite your attention to the posts I have made about what happened in New Orleans and why it was such an incredible mess. I have never advocated the establishment of the society that existed in New Orleans and still exists right now.
RE:'Neither are you, but again, you are wrong. Perhaps he just sees reflexive opposition when practicalities or principals are not at issue as counter productive. Perhaps he isn't an idiot.'
Yes, I am. Principles are ALWAYS AT ISSUE, and yes, he is.
RE:'Your definition of 'individualism' is obviously someone who checks their brain at the door and goes along with everything the republicans have done over the past 7 years, including waste money like democrats.'
Oh? How so? Who on these boards has made vociferous protests over that stupid anti-missile defense system President Bush wants to install in Europe? Who has spoken out against the massive agricultural subsidies just recently passed. Who is holding forth against John McCain? Come on, Bubba, you can do better than this.
RE:'McCain is a good man.'
Perhaps. I do not know him personally. A great many people consider Jimmy Carter to be a 'good man.' I do not share their opinion.
RE:'I am disappointed that you can't see that.'
Be it known to you then, that I dislike disappointing and annoying you. I see it as being necessary to the task at hand.
RE:'Suit yourself though, if you want to vote for someone who you have stated will wreck the country because you think it will get you to your governmentless utopia you have every right to do that.'
I have never championed anything so damnably foolish as attempting to establish a society without a government. You have, however, stumbled into something important.
Government is similar to oxygen in a reverse kind of way. If you have too much oxygen, everything catches on fire and burns up. If you have too little oxygen, everything smothers to death. If you get the concentration of oxygen just right, you can breath and most other living things can prosper, but your favorite knife will rust.
Too much government and everything about the governed society is smothered. Too little government and the ungoverned society will self-destruct. Get the government just right the society functions peaceably and becomes highly productive, but you will still have to pay taxes.
RE:'You are a traitorous lunatic, but it is your constitutional right to wish destruction on the USA. You have found the perfect candidate.'
I can forgive you for calling me this, under the circumstances, but you still have not described to us what you think will happen to the country under Barack Obama. How is it, that this one man, is capable of annihilating the United States?
Oh, and by the way, folks. Do us all a favor.
Vote for the HONEST leftist. Vote Obama.
A little fuel for the fire:
//news.google.com/news?btcid=70e35d3942b671
Good lord, people are acting like the Presidency is like a dictatorship, and he (Obama) will have free reign to do whatever he wants with and to this country. This is absolutely nuts............
Barack won't have to destroy the U.S. - it's already going down the tubes under Bush!
One thing is for certain, though. We are at war and will remain at war for the foreseeable future. But, there is more than one way to fight a war, especially a war such as the one we are in at this point in time.
Given that this is the case, would it be smart for us to abandon Iraq? This is, I do realize, what Senator Obama promises to do. I think the results would be very bad, especially for the Iraqis. It would, in effect, hand Iraq over to the Iranians. In fairness to Senator McCain, I have been giving him a terrible time, here is the best ad that he has done to date:
//blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/06/mccain-opens-ca.html
I do not question Senator McCain's sincerity on this issue.
'You are the one who loudly proclaims that Barack Obama will utterly destroy the US.'
I think he will cripple our economy with ruinous, idiotic trade policies, putting 805 of the the worlds oil supply in to, I think that he capitulate to the islamists who have attacked us, I think he will end our status as a superpower and invite further acts of terrorism. I think it us utterly shameful to deliberately lose us a war that we are winning and negate the loss of 4100 Americans. I think a terrorist attack in the USA with weapons of mass destruction WOULD effectively end the USA as we know it. An attack in New York city with low yield weapons has the capacity of killing between 2 and 6 million people. It would destroy our financial infrastructure.
'Yes, we could lose a city, but who ever aided and abetted that would lose their entire country and they know it.'
These animals show that losing their lives is just fine and dandy to their twisted mind set every day. Look up ahmadinejad +hidden imam
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/1507818/'Divine-mis sion'-driving-Iran's-new-leader.html
These are people who stone other people to death in AD 2008. These are people who lynch children for being 'disobedient'. 'Honor killings', hell 'honor rapes' are their 'justice'. Do you think they care if hundreds of thousands are killed? Also, do you think they will leave a return address?
'Would Barack Obama be able to impose the whole of his agenda upon us in two years? NO!'
1) Idiot, a presidential term is at least 4 years.
2) he will have a democrat controlled congress for BOTH terms.
So YES, he will be able to pretty much impose his WHOLE agenda on us. That is before you consider the idea that he JUST MIGHT get re-elected.
'Proof of that lies in what just happened to the so-called 'Climate Security Bill', S3036.'
The HARD LOOK reveals that the few republicans left, several of which will be loosing their seats were enough to prevent a veto from being overridden.
This collapse that you are rooting for, you selfish idiot, won't happen over night. He could drive us in to the ground slow enough to do irreversible damage.
' Take a hard look at what happened to that bill and you will understand why I support Barack Obama for president.'
I understand that you want to see the USA dragged down in to the mud because you think it will be rebuilt the way YOU think it ought to be. It wont be, either way, the mess created here will certainly out live you. If you have children you are condemning them to pay for your stupidity.
'Quite the contrary. I expect something else to be utterly destroyed or at least very badly damaged. '
The liberal mindset? How do you destroy immaturity? It is a fundamental aspect of human nature. Indeed, in is a part of the balance that is necessary to be well adjusted.
'Okay, technically, John McCain is a Republican. '
You are not in any position to be the arbiter of who is a 'good republican' or a 'bad republican'. What you are saying actually makes you a lousy American.
'You have never, not once, ever read anything written by me that suggests that I advocate anything of this kind.'
Of course I have, You want to get rid of social security and the federal reserve and get back to that 'ol fashioned capitalism where there was no fiat currency and trading coon skins for buggy whips is the way to go. Thanks anyway.
I have read what you have written. You are, frankly, all over the place. I think you are simply trying to rationalize a visceral dislike for the man. That is your prerogative, just don't flatter yourself that it is a reasoned decision to vote Obama rather then a hissy fit.
'Principles are ALWAYS AT ISSUE,'
Gee, could it be that he has a principled disagreement with you then?
' Who on these boards has made vociferous protests over that stupid anti-missile defense system President Bush wants to install in Europe? Who has spoken out against the massive agricultural subsidies just recently passed. '
You have made more of an issue over some British aircraft that didn't run out of gas and your visceral dislike for McCain then any agricultural subsidies or missiles which will serve a very real purpose whether they work or not.
' A great many people consider Jimmy Carter to be a 'good man.' I do not share their opinion.'
McCain is no Jimmy Carter, as a matter of fact, you are voting for his ideological soul mate.
'Be it known to you then, that I dislike disappointing and annoying you.'
Not NEARLY enough.
'I see it as being necessary to the task at hand.'
And what is this 'task at hand'?
'You have, however, stumbled into something important.'
Good lord you are full of yourself. There is only room for one arrogant bastard here.
'Government is similar to oxygen in a reverse kind of way. If you have too much oxygen, everything catches on fire and burns up. '
So you are voting for the biggest government, nanny state leftist that there is in the senate versus a moderate who has been a continual voice of reason and fiscal restraint, often against his own party.
This is what it all boils down to: You say you are for one thing and that you are going to vote for the exact opposite. You intend to do this because you want to teach everyone a lesson. It is the craziest, most far fetched thing I have read on this board yet. (Do you realize how loony you have to get in order to earn that title?) It won't happen the way that you envision that it will. You are just helping to make a mess that someone else is going to have to deal with, or simply escape from.
'I can forgive you for calling me this, under the circumstances, but you still have not described to us what you think will happen to the country under Barack Obama.'
Only a billion times at this point, in everything but haiku. Here:
Obama, they know:
Our economy will die
When Hormuz is closed.
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More entitlements?
Our debt is crushing us now.
Are you serious?
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pissing on my head
you grievance collecting b*tch.
calling it; “cloud burst”.
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I don't know what to else say or how to say above and beyond all that I have written about the mess that he will create. That's not even taking in to account who he is: He is a DANGEROUS, socialistic, appeasing, lying, corrupt, fundamentally morally dishonest, kickback taking, crony paying, grievance collecting, perpetual resentment peddling, misplaced guilt complex exploiting, creep collecting messiah of pure, 24 carrot BS.
And you know this already... And you advocate for him.
'but you still have not described to us what you think will happen to the country under Barack Obama.''
Is that the point of this whole exercise?
I condemn the racism in these posts.
KATHLEEN my sweet American beauty, you are in the real world, NOT the puritanical world of the church and all that is nice and cosy.
Meet the opposition, where the gloves come off and practical viewpoints and comments are expressed which are sometimes NOT nice to minds dominated by heaven and angels.
Do you like snakes ? If not, then why have I not the same privilege to dislike blacks ? You hypocritical narrow minded and brainwashed, but probably extremely nice person.
Some of these posts don't seem to be of this world, or from people who's very imagination has gone through the roof! Obama will not destroy this country! The sick racism posted by some mindless fools reeks of low intelligence and probably wouldn't know how or have ever voted. Saying that Obama would destroy this country doesn't say much for any other person serving at the time - is everyone out to do that then? He couldn't do his so-called evil deeds at free reign!
Many of you divine and candy-floss Americans, make obnoxious remarks about 'racism'. a word you don`t even know the meaning of.
Well, just look it up in the dictionary. There is nothing blasphemous or wicked about the definition - in fact it is very logical and natural to all living species, including that supposedly superior variation of the animal evolutionary tree - the human being.
'Racism' has been around for over a million years, ever since man evolved from the primates. What gives any of you the right to suddenly despise what history has proven a natural phenomena ?
OOPS, I`m sorry, you probably believe that we all came from Adam and Eve and the Earth is only 4,000 years old, like the Bible tells you.
If you draw a distinction between animals and that man-made sacred variant called 'humans', then you are simply living in cloud cuckoo land, a world of make believe and everything that is nice.
If you regard all these divine 'humans' as sacred and beyond dislike, then read this and have a puritanical convulsion or heart attack ;-
'Human beings' blew the WTC twin towers to hell, plus the Pentagon, plus some aircraft passengers in a field in Pennsylvania, killing around 3,000 innocent people and maiming 8,000 others, People are still dying from complications through dust inhalation.
YOU LOVE THE 'HUMAN BEINGS' WHO DID THIS ? THEY WERE MUSLIMS - YOU DON`T BELIEVE IN RACISM ?
'Human beings' took Nick Berg prisoner, kept him in terror, until they finally made him kneel down in front of a masked execution team, read a load of crap from the Koran, then cut his throat and while he screamed in terror and agony, spitting blood, hacked his head off and held it up in triumph, while the entire spectacle was videoed in color.
YOU LOVE THE 'HUMAN BEINGS' WHO DID THIS ? THEY WERE MUSLIMS - YOU DON`T BELIEVE IN RACISM ?
Well if you do, I hope your souls rot in hell.
So, don`t come this utter crap about 'racism', it is just an establishment word to make perfectly normal people feel humiliated.
I don`t give a shit about your mental condition, but some do.
GEEEEEEEEEE
So many excotic words to describe me !! Over 62,000 articles describing McCain as the Songbird of Hanoi ! Sorry, but the balance scales just support more and more, McCain is just what he is a 'SONGBIRD'. The Vietnam Vet bloggs are overwhelmed with McCain Haters, Vietnam papers are starting to print more and more about his Singing while a POW !! Bush and McCain walk hand in hand at the White house, what that's telling you..............As any officer in the military knows. With family at the top of the food chain in the military, in McCains case his father a Navel Admiral, always had his son fly just with-in a combat theater to get the points to get the medals. Alot of his combat missions were not really related to going into combat by today's military standards............
Call me what you want, to much out there to support what McCain and his Admiral father did................
And so it is..........................
GEEEEEEEEEE
So many excotic words to describe me !!
sp4 - you have no idea...
Over 62,000 articles describing McCain as the Songbird of Hanoi !
sp4 - that makes none of them right and I'm positive NONE of them are from those who were prisoner WITH him, WHO CAN SUPPORT ANY OF THESE CLAIMS on the record.
Sorry, but the balance scales just support more and more, McCain is just what he is a 'SONGBIRD'.
sp4 - McCain, like other POW's was plian about the fact that he could not hold out idenfinitely. He admits signing documents, to save his life, inhis own book. A half truth is worse than a lie. You could not read a scale.
The Vietnam Vet bloggs are overwhelmed with McCain Haters,
Blogs always seem to be filled with haters -like yourself
Vietnam papers are starting to print more and more about his Singing while a POW !!
sp4 - and, of course, we TRUST state-owned and operated media run by totalitarian governments, riiiight? of course they are...otherwise, the focus will shift to their treatment of him...a fat that is going to be in the media EVERY DAY if he wins. I suspect they do not want this, don't you?
Bush and McCain walk hand in hand at the White house,
sp4 - that would be true only because they are in the same party, a fact that has folks like you instantly condemn him and spread lies like above.
what that's telling you..............As any officer in the military knows.
sp4 - it tells us absolutely nothing, as per the cousr with worms like you.
With family at the top of the food chain in the military, in McCains case his father a Navel Admiral, always had his son fly just with-in a combat theater to get the points to get the medals.
sp4 - MCCains flight history is studded with real missions, including the one that got him shot down. That being the case, I think we can file it under the heading 'you-are-just-a-little-more-than-full-of-crap'.
A lot of his combat missions were not really related to going into combat by today's military standards............
sp4 - all missions called 'combat missions' are such. Any successful take-off and landing on a carrier is the sign of a competent naval aviator.
Call me what you want, to much out there to support what McCain and his Admiral father did................
sp4 - I can never call you what I want. correct, except none of it supports your innuendos. In fact, this is one of the most transparent careers in the public eye.
And so it is..........................
sp4 - you have said nothing. In the age of information, you are why most of it is crap.
No, there won't be a swift boat for mCCain. His comrades in the POW camp are living testimony to his courage and conviction. Go seek the testimony of Colonal George Gay, or his flight buddies still alive. No, you are full of crap.
You are a propagandist, plain and simple. People like you are always with us, Mike Moore and Al Gore, and the rest. It is the price of free speech, and we believe in free speech, because, unlike you libnazis who wan to silence me...
I can win, so I don't need to silence you.
Here is a project for you. Find one guy, ONE GUY, who was locked up with him, who supports ANY of your claims. If you cannot find a single, solitary soldier, sailor or airman, who was locked up with him, to go on-record, to support your useless innuendos, then you are exactly what I said you are. You and dan Rather...
Now get to work. I get tired of having to educate ignoramouses like you.
You apparently don't believe in the Bible, so how do you know anything about hell or believe in that either? Racist, as used in this modern age, has come to mean someone who thinks they are superior, who looks down on another race and believes they are inferior and not deserving - FYI NO single race has all perfect 'human beings' - get real, no one is inferring that..........
And the words racism and racist are used over and over in the papers and mags, not just by some posters here. It seems to me the word 'gay', among others, also has a different or additional meaning that it did in the dark ages!!!
'Obama will not destroy this country! The sick racism posted by some mindless fools reeks of low intelligence and probably wouldn't know how or have ever voted.'
A principled objection to Obamas bad character, incompetence or stated goals is not 'racism'. It is simply common sense.
4SP.................
Thanks for allowing us to laugh our butts off, with your comments here at the VFW !!
Everytime a Navel plane takes off on a carrier that's a combat mission you say..ILMAO !! Then the Navy would run out of medals in days !! Why so many POW's hate this guy, he was taken to a Hospital in Hanoi no other POW was allowed to go. Son of an Adramel, has its most rewarding privileges............By the way, why was he allowed to fly after ditching 5 military aircraft ??? Simple his old man keep him flying, any other Navel pilot would have been drummed out of the Navy long before !!
Want more ???? Bring it on !!!!
Swift Water Will Happen !!
And so it is.................................. :o}
The comments about racism WEREN'T in relation to ordinary criticism of Obama's policies or beliefs, it was toward remarks like 'people in Africa are the scum of the earth' and really vile comments about blacks and Obama as a person. OK???
'Thanks for allowing us to laugh our butts off, with your comments here at the VFW !!'
Oh, so you are a veteran of foreign wars? You are a liar.
'Everytime[sic] a Navel[sic] plane takes off on a carrier that's a combat mission you say..ILMAO !!'
So were you in the Navy? Is that where you learned to spell 'Naval'? You lying idiot.
'Why so many POW's hate this guy,'
They don't. Read Stockdale or Day, they are full of parse for McCains courage.
'he was taken to a Hospital in Hanoi no other POW was allowed to go.'
You are just plain lying. Provably lying. He spent 5 and a half years in a Hanoi torture camp rather then give the Vietnamese a propaganda victory.
'Son of an Adramel[sic], has its most rewarding privileges'
How on earth would you know you complete liar?
'By the way, why was he allowed to fly after ditching 5 military aircraft ??? '
He wasn't, he didn't 'ditch' 5 aircraft, you liar.
'Simple his old man keep him flying,'
His old man keep him flying ridiculously dangerous missions attacking the most heavily defended target from air attack in human history...
'any other Navel[sic] pilot would have been drummed out of the Navy long before !!'
Again, one would think such an expert on Naval Aviation would know that it is not spelled the same way as your bellybutton.
Speaking of bellybuttons, since you have your head crammed so far up your backside to you eat through yours?
' Want more ???? Bring it on !!!!'
Indeed, I can't wait until you scumbags try to tarnish a genuine American hero with your obvious lies. That should help keep that thieving, resentment trading creep that the democrats mominated out of office.
Simple - don't waste time debating McCain's merits or not - vote for Obama.
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