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'Obama, Clinton, fine-tune messages as Obama gains steam'
He is steaming alright, he is a big steaming pile.
The good old boys are at it again. It's time for Clinton and Obama to get back to attacking where it will do the most good instead of at each other. Huff and puff and blow McCain over.
What's wrong with socialists? Jesus was one. He fed and cured people for no charge. A socialist is a person who is SOCIAL, a member of SOCIETY. A socialist is a person who cares about his fellow human beings.
So, the question is, what is wrong with you? You sound anti-social. That makes you a republican, a borderline criminal. You care for nothing except what you can take from others. I hope that you receive the same treatment in return when you really need help.
'What's wrong with socialists? Jesus was one. He fed and cured people for no charge.'
Wrong: Jesus created miracles. He didn't take from someone to give it to someomne else.
' socialist is a person who is SOCIAL, a member of SOCIETY'
Wrong: Socialists advocate government control over the means of production. Socialists turn over control of anything that generates income and wealth to the very thing that is guaranteed to screw it up: Government.
'A socialist is a person who cares about his fellow human beings. '
Wrong: Socialists are people who need a nanny state to take care of them because they are too stupid or lazy to learn what they are talking about... like the definition of socialism.
'So, the question is, what is wrong with you? You sound anti-social. '
Wrong: I am anti-idiot and anti-lazy.
' That makes you a republican, a borderline criminal.'
Wrong: I advocate for individual rights and with individual rights come responsibilities. You wish to turn both over to the government, that makes you a moron and a borderline parasite.
'You care for nothing except what you can take from others.'
Wrong: That is exactly what you wish to do and exactly what I will work to prevent.
'I hope that you receive the same treatment in return when you really need help.'
Lol: 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
There is 'help' and then there is the nanny state that takes the fruit of your efforts and doles out whatever portion to you it decides you should have like a good little child. Perhaps that is what you need. I don't. If you need a lot of help you might want to look at yourself for the reasons why you need a lot of help.
Typical republican propoganda, and wrong as usual. Socialism is the sharing for the betterment of all. What you are talking about is unbridled capitaism, which is the many working for the few. It is also obvious that you don't have a job. Let's see how you feel when a company you work for moves off-shore and leaves you with a wife, kids, taxes and a mortgage to pay for. By the way an army, while undemocratic, is socialist. Everybody works together for the betterment of all. Can you imagine an army based on capitalism? I think what you have then is a version of the republican party whose motto is 'Screw you, I'm in it for me.'
Jesus was a socialist. He may have worked miracles but he did so and did not ask for even one Shekel. That makes him one lousy capitalist. He was also concerned with the poor, the sick, the needy. That make him, not a capitalist but, a socialist. He also threw the money lenders from the temple. Would a capitalist do that? No. So drop the socioeconomic excuses for raping you neighbor and get along with him. But then you, probably being a southern Baptist, wouldn't know anything about humanity and being a human. Enjoy the fruits of your crimes, child.
Surely this Democrat sponsored Black and White Minstrel carnival by the Clinnie & Bammie double act is some kind of joke ?
All these months of masquerading around as the poor man`s Presidential candidates, spending all those millions of dollars and generally wasting everybody's time.
It`s just got to be pure fantasy, when every sensible American knows full well that for these deadbeats it was a NO CONTEST from the start - McCain will coast into the White House in November like a duck`s arse on ice.
What is being kept under wrap, is that Simon Cowell is booked to choose the winner in Las Vegas partnered by the X-Factor judges, during an episode of Fear Factor.
You can`t beat that. There is NOBODY in the entire world better at selecting crap than Simon Cowell. He does a marvellous job.
...god, who knew!?
Socialism's main drawback is that it is gauged by those who foist it upon others, who gauge only intention and not result. The consequence is that the benefits are few and the drawbacks are many.
Health Care in parts of Europe and Canada are a good case. The costs are climbing even faster than in the USA, and folks are waiting longer and longer for any treatment more serious than a perscription. Cure rates for certain Cancers, such as Prostate cancer, in Canada, for example are about 25% less than in the USA. In Briton, a woman had to petition her parlimentary representative to get Breast cancer Treatment.
The usual effect is to monopolize the health care system, which then can only trim costs by reducing care, or Rationing, as Hillary has mouthed, over the years. As costs go up, care goes down. It is pure Adam Smith and nop one has a choice.
Now, it's true that not all folks in America have Health INSURANCE, but most have some kind of health CARE. Most have a choice where they go, and this produces competition, vital to improvement. Take away competition, and your care will sink, as it is in Briton, Italy, and France. Do it like Holland and Switzerland, and a semblence of competition will still exist.
The paradox of socialism is that it will declare you have health CARE, and then make you wait for treatment as if you do not. This being the case, the only distinction between America and socialized systems is the claim that they are 'covered' not much of a comfort to those waiting for treatment.
Is Obama a socialist. Probably as much as Hillary is. Then again, he is hiding his true beliefs on free trade, just like her, and I suspect some other views as well, in order fool the people which is the hallmark of a democrat:
They cannot win on their true beliefs.
Yep, he may or may not be a socialist, but he certainly fits the bill of a democrat.
who steals the office we've all lost again. We should be ashamed for allowing it to come down to these three non-patriotic, loser, greedy people. McCain, Clinton and Obama; ''The Three Stooges''!
DON'T BE DUPED !!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. 'Carpe diem' (harvest the day). You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.
You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.
And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. Maybe it's time for Hillary to start thinking about switching to an INDEPENDENT run for the presidency. Wipe the slate clean. After all she is running to be the President of all the people. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea would cream everyone. You know it's true. :-)
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)
Always nice to read the rambling of SP4 on subjects he knows nothing of,like health care .Compared to Europe your system only serves the insurance companies .it is based on maximumu profit for the stoclholders and stadff of private insurane .Profit is at the center of their interest ,it is their only concern .ow can anybody seriously claim superiority over a system where society runs the health care.Hence those that do so are left with spin to defend their system .Reality and statistics clearly point to the fact that the US system is the most expensive,yet operates at mediocre levels .I'm not talking of the fine quality of hospitals or doctors .I'm pointing to the insurance companies only concerned with profir ,every penny they have to dish out for your needs is a peny lost for them,they are very clever at avoiding that ,turning your system into a nightmare of Kafka .After seeing the movie Sicko it is evident that many patients are victims of the greed of corporate business .The spin that these companies generate in their efforts to convince their victims is so biased it only convinces the most ignorant amongst you .why i the quality of health care not equal for all,why is there a difference in treatment between rich and poor ?No answer to those legitimate questions will ever have my aproval .Health is a universal rightni not to the republicans ,at least to the rest of humanity.Clinton is the only candidate that cares enough about the average joe ,the republicans only care for the needs of the corporate tycoons,the silly logics they use in their vaiin efforts to defend the greedy an rich proves it enough .we have the best system here,and we realy would love to share it with all.
MY FELLOW 'BITTER', STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)
If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of 'BITTER'!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)
Best regards
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...
You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...
OBAMA AIDE: 'WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS' :o
p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)
how so many seem to have access to an inside track on all political matters - just wondering.
I loved that comment about the Reps screwing up Momma Clinton by voting for Ole Cherry Blossom in the Dems elections, so we are left with a weak sacrificial goat to slaughter in November.
It is a great piece of strategic voting and as said it is a masterpiece of covert operations, these agents will then vote for their own man - McCain on the big day, making Ole CB`s vote look like a sympathy vote.
WONDERFUL !
'Typical republican propoganda[sic], and wrong as usual. '
What specifically was wrong about it?
'Socialism is the sharing for the betterment of all. '
No it is not, moron. Socialism is government controlling the means of production. When have you known a government that didn't screw things up?
'What you are talking about is unbridled capitaism[sic], which is the many working for the few. '
No, that is not what I am talking about, however you are so thick that you are going to be working for someone else no matter what economic framework you are living in. You have probably intuitively made the calculation that since you can't succeed in society to the level of your aspirations that it must be society's fault and not yours. You are wrong.
'It is also obvious that you don't have a job. '
How is that obvious? :-D
'Let's see how you feel when a company you work for moves off-shore and leaves you with a wife, kids, taxes and a mortgage to pay for.'
I thought you said I was unemployed? Now my company is moving offshore? If I am unemployed, how am I paying taxes? You are sharp as a marble, ain't 'cha.
'By the way an army, while undemocratic, is socialist. Everybody works together for the betterment of all.'
OK, sure... Do you want to run a society like it is run in the army? That is basically the only way you can prolong the failure of socialism... by limiting peoples freedom.
'Can you imagine an army based on capitalism?'
Can you Imagine a country run by the rules of the army?
'I think what you have then is a version of the republican party whose motto is 'Screw you, I'm in it for me.''
You seem to think it is everyone else's obligation to take care of you. I don't even like you. Grow up.
'Jesus was a socialist. '
Claiming Jesus as a socialist is probably the lamest thing I have heard this year. Turning water in to wine and scrap into loaves and fish is truly the only way you can make socialism work. Best get to working on that.
' He may have worked miracles but he did so and did not ask for even one Shekel. That makes him one lousy capitalist.'
Not surprising that you missed the whole point of that story as well.
'. He was also concerned with the poor, the sick, the needy. That make him, not a capitalist but, a socialist.'
You can be a capitalist and have concern for 'the poor, the sick, the needy' etc. Indeed to be a philanthropist you need to have earned money or acquired it from others who have gone out and WORKED for it. (A capitalist)
'. He also threw the money lenders from the temple. Would a capitalist do that? '
No money lenders in my church, last time I checked. Plenty of righteous capitalists though.
' No. So drop the socioeconomic excuses for raping you neighbor and get along with him.'
I have never raped anyone. Stop the religious fantasy excuses for being a lazy parasite and needing the government to pick up the slack for your inadequacies.
'But then you, probably being a southern Baptist, wouldn't know anything about humanity and being a human.'
WRONG again... But good to see that your faith in Jesus only goes as far as your political agenda, hypocrite.
'Enjoy the fruits of your crimes'
How funny, you see 'work' as a 'crime'. Typical. I will enjoy the fruits of my labor. You enjoy the fruits of whining on the internet that you can't get your hands in other peoples pockets. :-D
Tonny reflects the Culture of Grievence that is the hallmark of socialism. Instaed of addressing the glaring problems of the socialist system, he lights off on some kind of rant about corporations, like his butt boy Mike Moore, the famed disingenuous film maker.
Like most socialists, he thinks his work is done when it delievers minimal care, and employs death therapy i.e. waitng for the patient to die before administering services. He then pats himself on the back and knows liberal heaven is now in his grasp because he has assuaged his guilt.
This is why N, Dakota, Montana, Washington State and other border states have Canadian after canadian appearing to be treated for conditions that the canadian system would just hold them up on, and let them die.
No, Tonny, our system is not perfect, but rather than rant about some nameless, faceless corporation, I would rather just tune it up for all the benefits that will provide.
Besides, it just baffles me why some waffle eater in Europe is so obsessed with America?????? If you like socialism so much, why are you sooo concerned about America????
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