Bush vetoes torture-ban law, saying it ties CIA hands
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Mar 8, 2008, 16:34 GMT
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American and Allied troops as well as insurgents and terrorists.
DON'T GET CAPTURED!!!
Yes the same bill John McCain flip-flopped on. Bush and McCain---close friends!
I like McCain now, more than ever. If there is one guy who can pass judgement on what constitutes torture, it's McCain. He made the hard choice. The libnazis would still find a way to pillory him.
We're in a new era. The enemy no longer wears a uniform. He kills civilians as the first, not last course of action. He hides behind antiquated laws of sovreign nations, while those natins are supposed to abide by rules never intended to protect terrorists.
This was Bush's biggest failure: not getting a Constitutional amendment to deal with all of the legal nexus. Now, it's in the courts for years.
I wouldn't torture them either. I'd put a bullet in their head if they did not talk or throw the out of a helicopter. Time to wake up folks.
You ought to be a writer for Bush and McCain. War - good Peace - bad.
'Bush and McCain---close friends!'
I would guess that sometime during the South Carolina campaign about 7 years ago when people were getting phone calls about the 'black' child that the McCain's adopted eer, let me rephrase that, about the child that the McCain's rescued from an incredibly grim life, that any potential 'closeness' went away until the end of time.
bush and mccain are butthole buddies ...xoxoxo
To Wrong Again.....
'I would guess that sometime during the South Carolina campaign about 7 years ago when people were getting phone calls about the 'black' child that the McCain's adopted eer, let me rephrase that, about the child that the McCain's rescued from an incredibly grim life, that any potential 'closeness' went away until the end of time.'
One would think your statement above was correct, but didn't you see them hugging on TV this week. Bush even did a 'soft shoe' waiting on McCain. If John McCain would have come out and said that he didn't want anything to do with the biggest slime ball ever elected to the office of President, then I would think he had a backbone. He didn't, he feels like he needs Bush's money, but that will be his downfall.
No matter what the idiot of this board (SP4) says, Bush will cost McCain this election---just watch.
Someone has forgotten the 2000 Primaries????
Maybe you were children?
Bush is doing his party's work. Besides, the thing that has libnazis crapping themselves is that McCain isn't much of a conservative. Heck, you remove the endless scandals and the philandering husband and McCain looks politically like Hillary, just a little! I may not even vote for this guy...but probably will.
Classic!
You cannot condone torture.
'but didn't you see them hugging on TV this week.'
Nope.
'Bush even did a 'soft shoe' waiting on McCain.'
I saw that.
' If John McCain would have come out and said that he didn't want anything to do with the biggest slime ball ever elected to the office of President, then I would think he had a backbone.'
I will think that you will find that John McCain has very little to do with Warren G. Harding or Bill Clinton.
'Bush will cost McCain this election'
Bush is not running in the next election. Time to grow up and get your head around that.
The presidency not the man. This is the mark of a disciplined person.
I'm gonna post what I've posted befor on varoius sites. Your daughter,son wifelover-whoever you love the most is being held by terrorists. Our people have someone, some terrorist type, that probably (not certainly) has info on how to save your loved one. Do you honestly say,under these conditions 'NO-absolutely no waterboarding'? It's a pretty simple, straightforward question. I have yet to get a pretty simple straightforward answer to date. If you're against waterboarding in general but wwould make an exception in the case of your loved one, you're a hypocrite and you need to examine yourself. People that have one set of rules for themselves and another for the rest of the universe are warped-period.
'Nope.'
Must not have watched it all, or as usual only telling a half truth?
'I saw that.'
Only saw half?
'I will think that you will find that John McCain has very little to do with Warren G. Harding or Bill Clinton.'
You are a dreamer. We all know how great Clinton was, and this guy even tops President Harding. The damage has been done, is being done and will continue to be done, by this Texas Cowboy.
'Bush is not running in the next election. Time to grow up and get your head around that.'
Again you point out the obvious. Cleaver way to try and get an invalid point across. Even though the Texas Cowboy is not running, he will be a factor in the race for McCain---and just like your claims that Mr. McCain is leading in the polls, only half true.
..that Bush's last 7 years may affect the outcome, but not because he shook hands with McCain...
We have a saying in the republican party: '...in 1968, Richard Nixon was elected President..'
Four months ago, his campaign was all but stopped.
there is no consensus or standard definition for the word torture or terrorist. of course I agree torture is wrong
Of course terrorist don't get the protection of the european whiners (I think its the geneva conventions). All they deserve is a suitable de-briefing and a bullet in the head. Just like Franklin Roosevelt did with german spies in WW2.
Every nation on earth has taken license with that can be construed as torture. Is it wrong? yes. Is it necessary? Depends.
Terrorists function via enabling people and countries, their enemies being hamstrung by laws, etc. This is just another case of Geneva out of control. If it protects everyone, no one will abide by it, and most nations do not. That being the case, whats good does Geneva do?
Is it lack of imagination that leads to the conclusion that torture is efficient.Ask people who were tortured and you'll find out they all say the same thing;you'll say anything to stop the torture.Anything...Which means you invent stories,preferably the kind of stories your butcher wants to hear.There is enough evidence to pinpoint to the fact that torture leads to false information,like the case of Saddam's WMD .THe interrogators want to hear something and the prisoner will invariably confirm that ,right or wrong.In the end the only reason why Kathy and her noeocn friends condone this is just cruelty and hatred .Period too.
By thez way,the last post of SP4 just reveals what kind of freak monster he is,throwing away the geneva conventions owns him a place on the list of Hitler and Stalin,Pol Pot and a few others .His remarks should ring an alarm bell to all that thought neoxcons and republicans with similar attitude,like Bush and Cheney care for human rights .They do not ,evidence for that provided by SP4,the ultimate fascist.
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