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'He did what he did to keep the country safe,' about ''Bush's war in Iraq'' keeping America safe. We were never threatened by Iraq. It was Afghanistan who was harboring Bin Laden and would not give him up. Be careful of McCain and his mind-set.
Even if you are correct, and you are not, McCain is one of the senators who got Bush to do the dirty work but is willing to take responsibility for it, not hide behind the excuse of 'gee, dumb ol George fooled us!' This tells folks like me he knew something. That something had to be that saddam was going to attack a neighbor, something he had a pretty defined record of doing. In my opinion, it was Israel.
Hillary on the other hand, has somewhat of a problem: She either has to admit that this so-called dumb president fooled her (whats that make her?), or she back this war because she really thought it necessary. The only other defense:
'hey, GW will deal with Saddam and either be out by 2004 or we can blame him for starting a war!' How'd that work out, eh Hillary?
Now, Huckabee is in a nice spot: He can go to EITHER candidate and say: 'hey! Iwasn't the one that greenlighted this mess!' Another favorite: 'I agreed with Hillary and backed this war!'
As for Bin Laden not being in Iraq, we seem to have a war going that everyone forgot in Afghanistan, and he doesn't seem to be there either and no one seems to complain about that!'
Bush won't admit he is/was wrong about anything. The people who agreed with him to begin with on this insane war were given lies. Now when these same people are declaring the so-called war was wrong at least they admit their mistakes. What good does it do to keep hammering away at their original approval. They aren't standing by this now after they saw through the lies and mistakes - something that should stand in good stead. Holding onto something that was grossly wrong and refusing to admit it is Bush's badge of honor!!!
Your silly little post has been noted.
What we have going on in Afghanistan is an ineffectual and poorly run OCCUPATION. It rather too much like the ineffectual and poorly run OCCUPATION we had going in Iraq.
We need to get serious about what is going on in Afghanistan and the ungoverned parts of Pakistan, but the Bush Administration, thanks to allowing VP Cheney and Sec. Def. Rumsfeld to takeover diplomacy from the Department of State, hasn't a prayer of doing anything that will help. The President can do nothing more than try to hold the line until the next administration can relieve him.
Huckabee, I say this even though I don't like him, is right about a lot of this. And, once again, whether we should have invaded Iraq in the first place is a moot question. We are there now and we are obliged to deal with the consequences.
Now, let me ask my fellow Goopers a question. Do you really want Mike Huckabee for President of the United States? I think that would be a very dangerous thing to do.
'What we have going on in Afghanistan is an ineffectual and poorly run OCCUPATION. It rather too much like the ineffectual and poorly run OCCUPATION we had going in Iraq.'
Afghanistan is still a problem because of Pakistan. In order to solve Palastan the USA is going to need to devote much more diplomatic muscle to the problem. Instead we are trying to pretend that we can negotiate with the evil chimpanzees that someone stuffed in to suits who are speaking for the Palestinians'.
why would huckabee care about what bush thinks?
bush is only a fart in the wind
Why should Huckabee care about what George Bush thinks? You bring up the very thing that worries me. Both men operate on the basis of FAITH, not thinking ability. The Bushbaby and Micky Huckabee have a lot in common here.
Either he agrees with what Bush did, or he does not. This kind of retraction will lose him independent votes, and NOT get him right-wing votes:
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNRtXAuK8CWs&refer=home
'Huckabee, who criticized ``the Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality'' in an article for the journal Foreign Affairs, said on ABC's ``This Week'' that he was talking about the president's advisers, not Bush. ``I did not say the president was arrogant. Some of his people were,'' Huckabee said. ``I've been more supportive of George Bush than some of the people who have criticized me.'''
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Huckabee is running for preacher rather than President, and this won't work in New Hampshire, or any urban states like New York or California. The problem here is that the GOP voters really have no one else to stand behind, aside from McCain, who won't get us out of Iraq. They don't want someone wrapping their arms around Bush - they want CHANGE. The GOP brings stagnation and more deficits.
The economics say that in order to build up our military forces, and retrain and re-equip them for today's wars, including expensive electronics and armored vehicles, it's going to cost a LOT - right now those funds are going to Iraq to support an Iraqi government incapable of taking the handoff, when we draw down. If we have to pay for Iraq AND a military buildup, without raising revenues, we're facing major economic problems at home. Add to that Russia re-arming, and the current problems with North Korea becoming stubborn again, and it's no wonder the U.S. dollar is dropping.
A strong statement from Huckabee condemning Bush's POLICIES AND STRATEGY would have gotten him some independent support, as he's not nearly as militaristic as McCain - and Iraq is not going nearly as well as advertised. When the surge ends, the good times end with it. Add the current economic recession talk to that, and the GOP is in real trouble.
news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1384939.php/Iraqis_ move_to_Kurdish_north_to_escape_Baghdad_violence
Arbil, Iraq - Iraqis living in and around Baghdad have increasingly been fleeing the violence to seek sanctuary in the Kurdish autonomous region in the relatively quieter north, Arbil's governor told the press on Sunday.
'The improvement of security in Baghdad has not prompted displaced people living in the Kurdish region to return to their hometowns in central Iraq,' Governor Nozad Hady said. 'On the contrary, the numbers of settlers has increased lately from 12,000 families to 16,000,' he said.
(So much for the lie about Sunnis returning to their home territory. The issue of millions of displaced Iraqis will have to be dealt with, and the Shia have taken over much of their former lands).
At this point everyone is running AWAY from the President, and Romney of course will take any position that gets him votes. At least McCain has been consistent in his support. Giuliani is 'all about 9/11', and I doubt stands a chance at the convention - his record in business, and ties to Kerik, and his marriages will haunt him.
www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1113/138.html
Friendship also dragged Giuliani into Command Security, another o-t-c bulletin board stock, which rents out security guards and lost $100,000 on $85 million of revenue in the year ended Mar. 31. Bruce Galloway, Command's chairman and chief backer, also runs the $45 million (assets) Galloway Capital Management in New York. To snag Giuliani, Galloway turned to a business associate, Richard Chwatt, co-owner of Jericho State Capital in Boca Raton, Fla. 'Richard Chwatt's wife is very, very dear friends with [Rudy Giuliani's wife] Judith Nathan, and that's how we got the relationship,' says Galloway. Not so, says, Giuliani's Hess: 'The business, I do know, did not come about through the social relationship of the two women.'
For a year's work--revising the employee manual, introducing new clients, having Giuliani host a breakfast at Manhattan's Yale Club--Giuliani Security & Safety will earn $2.1 million. Chwatt was rewarded for making the introduction: Jericho State Capital got $90,000 and a warrant for 350,000 shares exercisable at $2 (shares now trade for $2.60), and will receive $7,500 a month and a warrant for 150,000 additional shares if the contract is renewed, which is 'likely,' says Galloway.
online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117850248912794086-vxMpHHx7pBifLO3tP6Q_gru9 lGw_20080506.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
Giuliani Firms Had Potential Conflict of Interest
Roles in Delta Bankruptcy Case May Put Pressure on Campaign
To Open Up About Businesses
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER
May 7, 2007
A pair of companies owned by Rudy Giuliani represented both a debtor and a creditor in a recently concluded bankruptcy proceeding, a potential conflict of interest that wasn't disclosed to the federal judge overseeing the case, records show. The matter could heighten pressures on Mr. Giuliani's presidential campaign to be more forthcoming about the candidate's stable of businesses, their clients and the services they provide.
Shortly after his term as mayor ended, Mr. Giuliani used the reputation he burnished after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to hang out a consulting shingle to provide security-crisis consulting to a variety of companies, calling it Giuliani Capital Advisors. In 2004, Mr. Giuliani added investment banking to the services it provided. According to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Giuliani Security contracted with Giuliani Capital, performing background checks on its potential clients and employees.
But relatively little is known about the complex relationships between Mr. Giuliani's various businesses, their clients and the fees they charge. Because the company has no public shareholders, it doesn't have to make much information public. Though political rivals have pressed Mr. Giuliani to provide a complete list of his clients, which include pharmaceutical companies, distressed businesses and energy companies, the Republican front-runner's campaign has so far declined to do so.
Mr. Giuliani's firm wasn't the only one that made money on the Command contract. The deal was assisted by Richard Chwatt, a contributor to Mr. Giuliani's presidential campaign. According to Command's SEC filings, Mr. Chwatt's firm, Jericho State Capital Consulting LLC, provided the 'introduction' that led to the signing of Command's contract with the Giuliani company. In February 2006, Command agreed to give Jericho $90,000 cash and 350,000 stock options, which are currently valued at about $380,000.
Mr. Galloway, who also operates a New York hedge fund called Galloway Capital Management LLC, said the services Mr. Giuliani provided included personnel training and associated work. The contract calls for Mr. Giuliani's personal advice and assistance, 'consistent with his schedule and other commitments.' It also warns Command Security not to use the trademark 'Rudolph Giuliani,' or 'Giuliani Partners LLC' in promotional material and warns that the terms of the agreement must be kept confidential and that 'any statement' regarding the contract must meet approval of both parties.
Another phony/dreamer pushing a 'flat tax' as the cure. What's not said is that many people would be paying MORE tax, since the rates would have to be so much higher than advertised. This issue will assure that Huckabee won't be the nominee, just as Forbes wasn't.
www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0636604820080106?pageNumber=2&vi rtualBrandChannel=0
Analysts see some sleight of hand here.
'To truly equal today's federal revenue take, to be revenue neutral, the flat tax has to be quite high -- usually higher than is advertised up front,' said Richard DeKaser, chief economist at National City Corp in Cleveland.
'And the complication that comes with that is it encourages underground economic activity. People will increasingly try to circumvent the tax system by doing transactions under the table,' he said.
Analysts also see it as regressive -- as it is the same rate across the board regardless of income -- even if Huckabee's plan does make provisions to exempt the poor.
On Sunday, Huckabee was asked about Bush administration criticism that his plan would reduce taxes for those making less than $30,000 a year or more than $200,000 but raise them for everyone else. 'Of course they don't like the fair tax,' he said on Fox News. 'These are the guys that are going to go out of business. Thirty-five thousand lobbyists in Washington -- do you think they like the idea that a tax would be so simple that they couldn't really go in there and tinker with the congressmen?'
(These are ALSO the guys who fund the GOP).
I think a lot of people make a mistake in underestimating Rudy. I think he can take Florida, California, Michigan, Ohio and a big chunk of Texas. If he fails to take the top of the ticket, he's practically guaranteed the VP slot. I don't think people are all that interested in scandal right now, especially if we are not talking about the top slot.
The real puzzler for me is what will Hillary do if she wins the nomination? Call up Wesley Clark to take the VP post? I would give you long odds that she would, but she has to beat Obama first and that is turning out to be a major problem for her.
would'nt it be funny they held the 2008 election and no one showed up'
Oh, they'll show up, especially after this comes to light:
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece
I am blythely assuming that this story will eventually break out in the US media. No guarantees there.
Here's a snippet from the above link:
'The Turks and Israelis had planted “moles” in military and academic institutions which handled nuclear technology. Edmonds says there were several transactions of nuclear material every month, with the Pakistanis being among the eventual buyers. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” she said.
They were helped, she says, by the high-ranking State Department official who provided some of their moles – mainly PhD students – with security clearance to work in sensitive nuclear research facilities. These included the Los Alamos nuclear laboratory in New Mexico, which is responsible for the security of the US nuclear deterrent. '
Isn't it special when people talk about Giuliani's conflicts of interest?
Did anyone stop to look at the Clintons Mount Everest of conflicts of interest for two terms:
Chinese and russian campaign funds while greenlighting massive trade deals beneficial to the chinese and russians?
Using their executive powers to obtain FBI files on their political enemies?
Or, let's check Obama's cozy relationship with Big Coal producers! Sounds like global warming UP to me!
Compared to this, the republican front runners look like angels!
'...praised him for defining the fight against radical Islamism as the most important issue of the 21st Century.'
Now that we have heard from the warmongers, how about talking about the other side of the coin? How about peaceful co-existance as the most important issue of the rest of the millenium?
SPfool talks about checking out relationships. Why doesn't someone check out the rectal/cranial interface of SPpfool?
once said he was misunderestimated.
in Texas
''Sure wish Hillary had married OJ''
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