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Sunnis fight each other for controlJan 7th, 2008 - 00:29:50

(Afghanistan has the same problem - it's all tribal and sectarian turf, and this is why the central government cannot operate, either. The Shia militias fight not only with each other, but also the Sunnis whom they see as having oppressed them under Saddam. This will all bust loose when U.S. troops draw down.)

www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2008/01/06/political_rift _divides_sunnis_in_anbar_province/

Anbar is the success story of the US strategy to combat the insurgency from the ground up by striking alliances with local leaders. But although the tribal sheiks' rebellion against the militants they once backed has calmed the region and opened the door to political dialogue with Iraq's majority Shi'ites, it has deepened divisions among Sunnis.

As the violence has faded, an argument has been raging over who speaks for Iraq's Sunni Arab minority: the province's largely secular and fiercely independent tribal leaders who resisted the US invasion or the main Sunni political party, an Islamist group led by former exiles who cooperated with the Americans from the start.

In slightly more than a year, Anbar's sheiks have helped accomplish what US military might, and endless rounds of political negotiations, could not: driving out the extremists who had flourished in Iraq's western desert since the invasion in 2003. Pockets of resistance remain in Anbar, but the US command says many of the Sunni insurgents, now allied with Al Qaeda in Iraq, are seeking new sanctuaries north of Baghdad.

Now, the sheiks say, it's payback time. They want more schools, better healthcare, clean water, and reliable electricity for their war-ravaged province. They want jobs for their followers. And above all, they want a stake in government for their Iraqi Awakening Conference movement.

'Anbar is a tribal society, and the Awakening came from the tribes,' said Sheik Ahmed abu Risha, who succeeded his slain brother, Abdul-Sattar abu Risha, at the helm of the movement in September.

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Hillary has her work cut out in N. HampshireJan 7th, 2008 - 00:34:19

Obama's polling has improved in New Hampshire, and Sen. Clinton's message needs a revision. When she lost in Iowa, instead of admitting the defeat and announcing that she intended to rebound, she posed for photos with artifacts of the 1990's.

This won't work anymore. Obama is 'new blood', and that becomes McCain's problem at the tender age of 71.

Why no one is debating the economy, I don't understand.

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SP4: Same ReasonJan 7th, 2008 - 01:06:40

No one's really landing on Iraq: The economy ain't that bad. Bush is out next year. He has had record economic indicators, employment, record tax receipts, low inflation.

I suspect the party's over, so stay tuned, I expect the economy to rear it's head, after all, a curve is not a curve, unless it has a down-side.

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Get a room.Jan 7th, 2008 - 01:25:53

'The problem is you are always wrong and seem not to notice. The other posters on this site just get tired of your lies---try and show some sort of facts along with your crap and more may pay attention to what you are saying before they flush you like the tu-d you are.'

What I have noticed is that you hang on his every word like some school girl with a crush. Just tell him you love him, and get it over with. Otherwise you are just clogging up the site with your stalking.

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Have a nice day pb.Jan 7th, 2008 - 01:40:34

AAAh yes, the latest effluence from pb...

'More of Bush's Iraq -success-???'

On the forum entitled 'Sparks fly as Hillary seeks to avoid New Hampshire defeat'...

Give credit or not. to whomever you want, Bush, the American Soldier, General Petraeus... But the undeniable fact is that attacks are now down 65% and casualties are down by almost 70%. It is trending downward even still.

You have been scared to death that there would be an American success in Iraq, you have openly rooted for the terrorists to throw out the coalition and for an American defeat. You have called the insurgents freedom fighters and compared them to our soldiers in the revolutionary war. You have done this so that you could have the satisfaction of saying 'I told you so' and and being to use our defeat in Iraq (Never mind that it meant a victory for those who attacked us on 9/11) to score political points in the election. Thankfully, you miserable scumbag, your beloved terrorists have been defeated. I would have said defeated by better men then you, but you are not a man at all.

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Ever notice...Jan 7th, 2008 - 03:37:28

that when Spfool opens his mouth all that comes out is a slam against the imaginary libnazis and people who don't suck-up his demented meanderings? Ever notice his narrowminded, bigoted opinions? Ever notice how wrong he is ALL the time?

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Ever notice...Jan 7th, 2008 - 03:40:10

that SPfool never backs up his claims with proof? Ever notice that he has never cited a proper backing authority for ANY of his outrageous statements?

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SP4: to the idiot aboveJan 7th, 2008 - 04:35:23

My last post was my own interpretation of fact. We grown ups call these opinions.

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Wondering.........Jan 7th, 2008 - 05:24:06

just which candidates the resident experts here would suggest are the most qualified to make over the White House? Or am I regretfully opening a can of worms?

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SP4 facing commitmentJan 7th, 2008 - 05:52:15

This is definitely not a sane person.

'The economy ain't that bad. Bush is out next year. He has had record economic indicators, employment, record tax receipts, low inflation.'

Hey, schmuck, grow up. I know it's hard, but you're backing a failure, and lying on his behalf. You wouldn't know 'truth' if it jumped up and bit you. Come to think of it, you and Bush would be soulmates. Do you get drunk too?

uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKHKG248720080107

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Asian stocks slumped to a two-week low on Monday, extending a weak start to 2008, while the dollar hovered near multi-week lows after weak U.S. jobs data heightened fears of recession in the region's top export market.

Bond prices rallied on expectations that the Federal Reserve will cut interest rates later this month to try to revive growth, while oil prices -- which hit a record above $100 barrel just last week -- fell as investors feared demand would suffer from a U.S.-led slowdown in global economic growth.

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2S8eCnSAII4&refer=home

Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks had the steepest weekly loss since July after unemployment increased to a two-year high and manufacturing declined, bolstering speculation that a recession will stymie profit growth.

www.moneyweek.com/file/40120/three-reasons-why-the-us-faces-recession-i n-2008.html

Several economic factors are colliding in an almost perfect storm to markedly slow the general economy and the stock market.

More ripples from the subprime mortgage fiasco -
The most important signal flashing recession is, of course, the subprime mortgage fiasco. After years of monetary inflation on the part of the Federal Reserve, individuals and families with poor credit were suckered into low-down-payment/low-interest adjustable mortgages that simply cannot be maintained or repaid under current conditions.

Sky-high crude oil is near-term recession risk -
The second major factor indicating a near-term recession is the sky-high price of crude oil and refined product. Pushed upward by world-wide speculative Middle East war fears and increases in demand (especially from China), increasing energy prices act as an inflationary 'tax' on domestic production and consumption throughout the market economy. Higher costs of production will lower profits; higher prices will reduce some consumption. The only good news here is that any substantial economic slowdown in 2008 will eventually moderate the price of oil and other commodity prices as well.

Dollar devaluation is real wild card -
The third factor in the current recession scenario — and the real wild card — is the continuing decline in the value of the dollar in international money markets caused by our Iraq blunder and the Federal Reserve–generated oversupply of dollars. Some economists would argue that a devalued dollar is good for US exports, and thus positive for the economy as a whole. I disagree for three reasons.

First, the bulk of crude oil purchases takes place in dollars; a falling dollar translates into still higher crude oil prices. Second, the US dollar is the major reserve currency of the international monetary system and dollar-paying investments (such as US Treasury bills and bonds) are held in massive amounts by foreign banks and governments. Dollar devaluation makes these investments less attractive and any disinvestment in these areas would sharply drive bond prices down and increase interest rates.



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Sp4 says...Jan 7th, 2008 - 07:26:28

'SP4: to the idiot above Jan 7th, 2008 - 04:35:23

My last post was my own interpretation of fact. We grown ups call these opinions.'

There is interpretation of fact and then there is SP4 twisting things to fit his fevered imagination. He never gives the original as proof of what he says. Could that be that there is no original? Could all of his 'facts' be nothing more than the rantings of a demented mind?


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a poster...Jan 7th, 2008 - 07:52:15

... stated that SP4 and Libnazi made it to Google. Neat. The man's stupidity knows no bounds, now. I await with bated breath when I can WIKI SP4 and find him in the section called commode contents.

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SPfool says:Jan 7th, 2008 - 08:04:49

'We grown ups call these opinions.'
ROFLMAO.
To the uninitiated that is short for Rolling On Floor, Laughing My A** Off. SP a grown-up? Get the rubber room ready, Get the Thorazine drip. This guy is definitely off his rocker.

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to sp4Jan 7th, 2008 - 13:36:18

can you put a photo of yourself on here?
also your address. we would like to talk to you and give you the asshole of the year award...thanks in advance

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? ? ?Jan 7th, 2008 - 16:53:16

SP4 - Bush in disguise??

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SP4: But folks...Jan 7th, 2008 - 21:21:49

...none of these childish posts makes me wrong! All your silly rantings amount to zero. Take off your tinfoil hats, put away your trikes, then go out and find something with substance and come back to the grown ups with it.

Please, try to impress us, just once, with even the dullest flicker of insight. Imagine your parents are reading it...

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SP4 says:Jan 7th, 2008 - 23:18:55

'...none of these childish posts makes me wrong!'
There her goes again, deny reality. He does not have the intelligence to admit that he is wrong. pity the poor fool. This type of thinking is symptomatic of brain damage. Sp4 is always right. Right off the fricking edge.

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Mrs. JonesJan 8th, 2008 - 04:33:06

I don't think SP4 is stupid whatsoever, but I do think he probably doesn't believe half of the things he posts. He does it for an effect, and a lot of people are letting it affect them to his complete delight!!

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SP4: The Devil in Mrs. JonesJan 8th, 2008 - 23:19:39

Actually, I cannot understand what some of these chuckleheads find so inflammatory. Are people really this insecure that they get this riled up over some comment a total stranger makes?

Honestly, some of my most benign posts bring out the claws and teeth more than some of my most inflammatory stuff. It's bewildering. I mean, read the dildo above:

'Pity the Fool!' who is this, Mr.T?!

It's like this computer has a stupid button and these people are the response!

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