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Ron Paul's growing poll numbers vex mainstream press

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By M&C US News Nov 25, 2007, 20:46 GMT


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SP4: What Polls?Nov 25th, 2007 - 21:27:00

None of the polls conducted by the press are showing this guy doing quite so well. Now, they might be lying, but why is it we're only reading about this guys amazing attributes here at M&C?

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CawdorNov 25th, 2007 - 21:27:01

IF Dr. Paul makes a strong showing in NH,Nevada, and a good showing in SCD and Ioaw ... how will MSM spin this?

The libertarian label is fast becoming this political cycle's equivalent to 'L'iberal back in 2000 and that is too bad since libertarian means following the law of the land.

Has the corruption in both parties by special interests gone so far that labeling people who want to follow the laws stated in the founding document of this country 'kooks' 'radicals' 'terrorists'???

WHEN Dr. Pual wins I think his administration will mimic Jackson more then Jefferson. I wish him all the strength to deal with the powers of the specials interests and the Federal Reserve and persevere in putting this country back on the right track.

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Mark RushmoreNov 25th, 2007 - 21:40:05

He's catching on...

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truthseekerNov 25th, 2007 - 21:49:44

Why let the Main stream (misguided) media pick our next President- one who will not be much, if any , different than Bush?

Why call voters names who want a balanced budget and our civil liberties protected?

Why not take the intellectual high road and discuss which candidate has a strategy to keep our once great nation from going broke?

There will be more and more whining from the folks addicted to the current style of government - where big business and special interests write our laws and take away our liberties -and run up massive deficits for our kids to pay.

I am a discontented registered Republican voter who is simply fed up with the way our country is run and I can not tell any major difference between the main candidates running as Democrats or Republicans.

Ron Paul's honesty and integrity will get my dollars and my vote- and please feel free to call me any name you wish .

See you at the voting booth.



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Go Ron PaulNov 25th, 2007 - 21:51:11


There is a thread on the dailypaul dot com about how Ron Paul supporters begin crying when they read and listen and see what's all the success going on.

I myself have had my moments. I have not voted since Reagan in 1980. I now go around wearing Ron Paul buttons. One comment I read said he had never voted, but he now found himself on the Interstate highway I95 overpass in the early morning hours hanging Ron Paul banners. (which is now discouraged BTW ...)

When everyone wakes up to the five trillion in debt, the 60 trillion in unfunded liabilities (owed by those who wake up!) and how the money has no meaning - (they create it in a computer) something is going to hit the fan.

Its like smoking grass the first time. You sit up, 'aware' and then all the other candidates seem like the thieves of old, advocating less or different thievery as a solution. Watching them speak is like looking at a museum, and their time is over, soon.

A recent one day fundraiser had 32,000 separate donations in one day. That’s the real number. What does that tell us?

There is something going on which will transcend this campaign.

It feels sometimes this is like the picture from the 1960's of the flower child girl putting the flower into the barrel of the National Guard rifle. I remember in the 1960's when it was on the news. 'The Times They are a-changing Mr Jones.'

At any election where people can vote, every Ron Paul supporter will be there, rain sleet or snow. No RP supporter will miss the chance to change history.

At Thompson and Giuliani rallies there are many Ron Paul supporters there. They are there at commentator Glen Beck's books signings, and the debates, straw polls, and gatherings -- they are there.

All over America; unrequested. The movement is entrenched deep and wide.

They say that if Ron Paul was a real estate agent in New Hampshire he would be wildly successful by virtue of the signs. Everywhere they go they convert more with his message of peace, freedom and prosperity.

Won't you come with us? If you are not an American citizen there are still ways to contribute - google Ron Paul

We are all brothers in Freedom! Restore the Constitution!

freeme dot tv

Join the R3VOLution!


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Of course they're vexedNov 25th, 2007 - 21:58:45

The MSM has only covered 'traditional' campaigns. You know, bash the opponent, promise a bunch of goodies & new programs, declare you will solve decades or century's old problems in four years, repeat that DC has the answers, etc Despite all the rhetoric from HRM, Edwards & Obama, RP is the 'people's candidate, ' the one with enthusiastic supporters who volunteer daily.

It's a campaign of ideas, some unpopular, most fairly complex. In other words, it is NOT a series of audience tested sound bites. (Is it true that Mitt has focus tested his laugh to see what goes over better?) This is truly a grassroots campaign that will probably be unsuccessful but it deserves a better press from MSM 'journalists', most of whom are too ignorant of economics to write anything substantial about it.

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Cleaner44Nov 25th, 2007 - 21:59:42

The main stream media just does not get it. Ron Paul is what America wants, he is the people's choice. He dominates in straw polls, debate polls, fund raising, web traffic and grass roots networking. I have gathered the evidence and created a website.

Please visit www.thecaseforronpaul.com and judge for yourself.

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SP4: Well...Nov 25th, 2007 - 22:01:59

...he had better win something besides an internet poll...

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bgodleyNov 25th, 2007 - 22:06:45

Ron Paul Labels

“Kook, “Gadfly”, “Racist”, these are just a few of the colorful monikers that have been applied to Ron Paul. They appear in opinion pieces as well as in main stream news articles. Needless to say they incite a fevered resentment among Paul supporters who have also received their own special branding, “Paultards”, suggesting a combination of the words Paul and the now politically incorrect term, retarded. They have come at increasing levels paralleling his rise in recognition and popularity.

It is almost inevitable that any person who steps into the spotlight will be placed under the public microscope in attempts to find all the cracks. However, it seems that some undergo a much more intense and sometimes vitriolic inspection. Why is this? Why are some so vehemently opposed and ridiculed while others seem to glide through relatively unscathed? The answer may lie beyond the topics of politics and issues but more in the nature of mankind itself.

You only need to take a little journey through the past to spot a pattern that exists in his various cultures. Traditionally any great endeavor in the past has been sparked by individual aspiration and never by committee. What that means is that it is usually individuals, with concepts unlike any other, who help change and mold the future of the society. Groups have never originated the inspiring or deep reaching concept.

For this reason all forward thinkers have been met with opposition. The society, locked in its ways through years of agreement and complicity, will fight individual efforts no matter how productive. It comes then as no surprise that we have numerous examples of people being publicly, and not so publicly, scorned because of their ideals. Famous examples range from Copernicus to Martin Luther King. It is usually only through the strength of individual conviction that the message finally takes hold where it is nurtured by a small but passionate group. This group then, in a combined effort, forwards the individual message against various obstacles where it then finds a place in mainstream existence.

It must also be mentioned that there is often something that goes beyond the natural tendency for the society at large to resist. There is that very small group, within the group, that fights back with such voraciousness that it has lead to the destruction of great minds and even death. That group appears to lurk behind the scenes directing the intentional downfall of the forward thinker. On the same token they also have an avid craving to also perpetuate the unworkable and often destructive. They somehow fear that others will grow more powerful than them. This is a direct threat to their vested interests and livelihood. They become as fervent an enemy to the new idea as any supporter is an aid. Then when someone attempts to aim his or her finger at this band of darkened souls they cry “conspiracy theorist”.

What tactics are used by these individuals to knock people down to size? Well, black propaganda seems to be an effective weapon. This would be the spreading of false and misleading information to stereotype and degrade its target. This type of methodology was well employed by the Nazis to turn public sentiment in Germany against Jews before the violent onset. It has also been mirrored in numerous examples throughout history.

The way it works is that the rumors or invalidations are fabricated by these individuals and then spread amongst the general public. They use generalities like “everyone thinks”, or “experts say”, to mask whose opinion it really is and to give the recipient the idea that the opinion is widespread (By the way, this masking technique is widely used in the media as well. Just go read a newspaper or watch the news and count how many times a non specific source is mentioned). You will also find that these rumors are more readily accepted and spread by the simple minded. You know these folks they are the Jerry Springer set. They somehow lack the faculty to inspect what is being said and compare it to experience or common sense. They absorb this disinformation like sponges and spread it like truth and gospel. This eventually leads to an accepted but not inspected reality of a person or a message.

In looking at what is happening with Dr. Paul the same process appears to be going on. The attacks are not only leveled directly at Paul but also his supporters. Through certain types of inflammatory statements they invalidate, degrade and make it seem to be common accepted truth. True, a movement such as Paul’s attracts a more colorful set of supporters. There indeed may be some who would like you to join their version of the banana party. But you will find that they are, like that core group of detractors, very much in the minority. It is only the quick fingered detractors via their slow witted friends that paint these guys as the typical Paul supporter.

One could also argue that all candidates attract a radical element. Rudy might attract the violent racist who would like nothing better than to wipe out the entire Middle Eastern culture. Huckabee may attract the religious zealot who has little tolerance for the views of others. These, of course, would only be opinions (not really mine by the way) and supporters for these candidates would take as much exception to being grouped with those individuals as Paul supporters are with the fringe in their camp.


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William WallaceNov 25th, 2007 - 22:18:49

Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that 'there's not a dime's worth of difference between' Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like 'America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.

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kevinNov 25th, 2007 - 22:32:30

advocate of unorthodox proposals???

It speaks volumes that the political mainstreams sees governing according to, the Constitution as unorthodox.

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BkuszNov 25th, 2007 - 23:11:57

Is the major media outlets biased? Sure they are.
Major news media (with a few exceptions) no longer do investigative reporting instead they primarily quote biased sources who spoon feed them the news content.

Who owns major media? Look it up yourself, Fox is owned by Rupert and Rupert is buddy with Rudy, GE owns NBC and they also are one of the largest military contractors in America, I am sure you can do your own searching to find out who and what most of the major media supports, they are not that transparent about it either.

Ok, who really believes the major media is not heavily biased? Raise your hands please...

Even better, do a real story on it.

Regards
Bkusz
Lbts, Fla.

PS. I like the authors story above, presents facts about Ron Paul and not name calling.

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L. A. DietzNov 25th, 2007 - 23:40:50

See how Ron Paul is doing at the aol.com current poll and also
at www.whowouldthe worldelect.com.
Don't miss www.ronpaullibrary.org

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DavidNov 26th, 2007 - 00:31:19

The liberal Marxist communist seem to believe they have a monopoly on Revolution, happily to say they do not. America 1776 declaration of independence came about before the French Revolution (1789–1799), and was supported at the individual level, it was paid for by the people and not from bankers, a highly novel event. King George needed to borrow his money to fight the colonies yet lost anyway. Americans won because we love freedom more than anything else, and we will fight and win again for our freedom.

Dr. Pauls honesty, integrity, constitutionality objectives are exactly what Americans have been waiting for a long time and now because of the web the established state can no longer keep their take over of America and the destruction of country, freedoms, and property a secret from American. We know know what they are up to and why their lies are not good, their hiding behind political organizations will no long hide their treason against America. Dr. Paul is our champion for freedom and he can help us return the republic to the American people and expose the scourge of the so called democracy as the communist plan to loot our country and freedom.

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JoeNov 26th, 2007 - 00:53:44

Ron Paul is the only candidate running for president in either the Democrat or Republican parties for whom I would even consider voting.

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David MonkNov 26th, 2007 - 01:04:35

'All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident,” says Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860). Dr. Paul supporters are in stage three. The majority of media outlets are starting to enter stage two. Some media outlets live in stage two all of there existence ;) All advertisers know that word of mouth is worth more than the best media campaign money can buy. So why should anyone be surprise when media resistant supporters like that of Dr. Paul’s start making headway with 'real people'? Because we all know those Internet people aren't 'real' voters...yawn. This 2008 race for the president is wide open for anyone including Dr. Ron Paul. Old gallop polls are proving less and less effective due to increased cell phone exclusiveness among young voters. Yet Internet and text messaging polls are ignored and at times even pulled when results are not as expected. More and more people get their news from the Internet and shows like The Daily Show and Stephen Colbert. This varied type of independent media has not been seen in the United States since the revolution when the printing press was invented. Now we have issues before us today like the Military Commission Act, self-written - no judge needed - warrants and approval ratings for Congress and the President at all time lows. The parallels we have with our own revolutionary times are striking to even the casual observer. So to be surprised that college students with this knowledge so recently put to the brain are drawing the same conclusion. An overly repressive government is squandering the labor of its people. It's easy not to see the writings on the subway walls from the ivory tower of mass media outlets. So it's no surprise to me that a man with integrity, principles and a plan is making so much steady headway. There is so much to do to fix this country and I think Dr. Paul, as President would be but the first step in the long goal of restoring our republic. Thank you for your time

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PaulineNov 26th, 2007 - 01:19:30

I have decided to start collecting the raw Anti Ron Paul sewage so evident on blogs, and to post screen prints when ever Ron Paul Supporters are attacked unjustly. Today on the Huffington Post, a blogger by the name of Misanthrop2 called Dr Paul's supporters: 'Whores for Paul', which of course set the tone for some of the following discourse. Interestingly, later this evening when I returned to the blog to start my collection of Anti Ron Paul sewage, I was unable to find Misanthrop2's favorite phrase 'Whores for Paul', instead all I saw was a Ron Paul supporter ticked off by 'thin air'. Now isn't that very very interesting???

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SylviaNov 26th, 2007 - 01:21:14

I agree too, there is not any difference between democrats and republicans.
RON PAUL is authentic and the american people like his message. The news
media seems to be picking who the president should be. NO, NO and NO!!!!! We
are not going along with it. We want RON PAUL and we will defend him. We
want the garbage thrown out of Washington and the american people want their
country back. THROW THE ELITES OUT!!!!!!!!!!! Seems like we need to put a
microchip in all of the politicians to see who they are talking to and where
they are going. NEVER MIND SURVEILLANCING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...The american
people don't trust the politicians. WE WANT THEM OUT...vote RON PAUL.

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TidewiseNov 26th, 2007 - 01:43:21

Not a bad article, but why are erroneous statements like these so common? Is it lazy journalism or something more calculated?

'Dr. Paul's campaign, which is three-quarters of the way to its goal of raising '$12 Million to Win' by Dec. 31, had an outside party organize the fundraising efforts.'

These types of statements make it seem like the campaign was really involved in the November 5 fundraiser, when the campaign simply had nothing to do with its creation or execution.

Perhaps is is just too difficult for journalists to believe that actual real people can come together over the Internet to support a politician.

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PperfectNov 26th, 2007 - 02:00:51

Don't believe this guy has a snowballs chance---but I love the fact that he is getting support and is taking money from some of the 'mainstream' jokers. It is also very funny how nervous he makes the 'righties'. More power to him, it would be nice to have someone run for president that has not been appointed.

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