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'Typical SP4 postsJul 4th, 2007 - 05:17:08
SP4 ... when the facts don't say what you want them to say, you make up your own ...
and yes, that makes you wrong.'
He and his kind make a habit of that. In forums other than these as well. Best to just ignore as gibberish never adds anything to intelligent dialogue.
I am very hopefull that the era of neocon ideology will end soon.It would be the best for american future .I realise a lot of intelligent people are waking up to the facts;modern healthcare,the end of pre-emptive strikes ,an insight of the terrible catastrophic consequences of failing to curb global warming for all the inhabitants of this lovely planet .My gratitute goes to all the americans currently engaged in the struggle for real democracy and social justice .I guess they will help win the next elections to a moderate candidate and end this awfull years of 'divine inspiration' which cost the american population so much wasted money,lives and ressources that could have been put to a more usefull alternative in catering for the needs of it's own population,like the victims of Katryna,still awaiting reconstruction .
Nobody takes this buffoon(keith olbermann) serious, Give me a break. Why did Clinton pardon those terrorists?...Scooter Libby was Marc Richh's Attorney? And finally Tonni is not from Belgium...
president bush.
the savior of crooks .so he doesn't get wrapped up in a impeachment.
again chaney pulls the strings.impeach bush then we have chaney the lesser of two evils. but you know if there was a 3rd term the people would vote bush and chaney right back in again...
Dear Re:,
Please try to listen to the commentary, maybe with your eyes closed so you can better keep your focus. These days, in this country, its very difficult not to be distracted by all the misinformation, I remember when the KGB where good at that, and the Nazi propaganda machine, oh well misdirection is an old tried and true, technique, (even works great in NFL). You just used it, (poorly I might add), by labeling Keith Olbermann a buffoon. Care to try again?
The following is the copy and paste address which lands you on the page where you can listen, watch, or read the transcript: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19588942/
There's even a quote from John Wayne.
One more thing, I found the following very disturbing but not surprising. It suggests that misdirection can still be a game changer, maybe even squeak out a win.
From Chris Matthews of Hardball: “The 25 to 30 percent of the country who believe in the president’s performance are largely conservatives, and they believe in the war. It’s frightening that 40 percent still think that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Twenty percent of the country still believes there were weapons of mass destruction discovered by our military forces when they went into Iraq.'
'The misinformation in this country remains after all these years -- because of the propaganda before we went to war. The results are still in effect. We’re still under a misunderstanding of the nature of why we went to war. That’s the tragedy here.”
Oops did I forget to say, don't forget to stock up on ammo.
Nobody with a brain watches PMSNBC...Worst most biased channel of all, total assclowns except Tucker...Good try though
today is burn a flag in to honor bush day
This proves to the entire world that George Bush IS the worst President of the USA, since records began. I can't believe that things can get any worse?....
So now the man who claims that 'God' talks to him now thinks he is greater than Justice and the power of the Law .
You've got BIG problems .
This proves to the entire world that George Bush IS the worst President of the USA, since records began. I can't believe that things can get any worse?....
So now the man who claims that 'God' talks to him now thinks he is greater than Justice and the power of the Law .
You've got BIG problems .
Facts are stubborn things.
Armitige outed Plame, not Libby.
Libby was convicted by a lawyer who, stated, on the record that he did not report to the AG. The spec prosecutor law had lapsed. The assignment clause either means something, or it means nothing.
Bush, by law, can commute a sentence, end of story. Why not Libby? Look at the last guys work.
Rant on, children.
Then again Tonny, those sweet sentiments just melt away when the enemy plants car bombs in London.
William - live on with your delusions, but the truth is -
'04 July 2007
If you want to see the dozens of small ways a Labour government is better than A few years ago, the news that the UK was facing an imminent attack from Islamist terrorists bent on taking hundreds of lives would have put the entire country on edge. People would have changed their habits, avoiding public transport and walking to work, while the presence of armed police at British airports would have increased the general sense of jitters. As recently as two years ago, after the 7/7 bombings, I had friends who avoided crowded places, worked from home and spent a fortune on minicabs so they did not have to use the London underground.
Since the end of last week, when two car bombs were discovered and defused in Central London, life in the capital has continued pretty much as usual. At midnight on Friday, I travelled across London on a Piccadilly line train and was struck by the fact that it was as crowded as ever, in spite of the failed attempt to bomb a nightclub in the West End less than 24 hours earlier; rumours of a second failed attack were already circulating, but none of the revellers returning home seemed too worried. The next day a Gay Pride march went ahead in London, despite the fact that Islamic extremists loathe homosexual people as much as they do 'slags' who go to nightclubs.
An obvious explanation for this stoical response is that both the London attacks were thwarted, which means that we were not confronted (as we were in 2005) with horrific images of injured civilians and tangled wreckage. All that changed with the terrorist attack on Glasgow airport, the third on the British mainland in 36 hours, when TV channels and newspapers carried dramatic pictures of a blazing Jeep and holidaymakers running for cover. Earlier this week, newspapers published photographs of a badly-burned man being arrested and taken to hospital, where he was said to be suffering 90 per cent burns; even though he was a suspect, the images were a dreadful reminder of the horrors terrorism can inflict. The swift response of the police, who have made arrests up and down the country, has not reduced the official threat level from 'critical' and it is not clear yet how many suspects are still at large.
Of course we have been here before, those of us old enough to remember the IRA's terror campaigns in Northern Ireland and the mainland in the last century. I have a clear recollection of the night of the Birmingham bombings in 1974, when Irish terrorists planted devices in two crowded pubs in the city centre, killing 21 people and injuring 182; in a campaign that went on until the 1990s, pubs, law courts and barracks were targeted by Provisonal IRA cells operating in English towns and cities. In West London, rival factions of the IRA spent more than half a century trying unsuccessfully to destroy Hammersmith bridge since 1939, their most recent attempt taking place only seven years ago.
But there are significant differences between Republican terrorism and its Islamist counterpart, one of them being that while Irish bomb-makers sometimes blew themselves up by mistake, they were not nihilistic enough to resort to suicide-bombing. Their practice of phoning warnings ahead of attacks has even led some commentators to write nostalgically about the IRA, as though the scenes of carnage in The Mulberry Bush and The Tavern in the Town 33 years ago never happened. I don't feel comfortable with that kind of revisionism; I'm not sure there is a meaningful distinction between the IRA's ambition to recreate the conditions of war-torn Belfast in mainland city centres and last weekend's attempt to make parts of London and Glasgow resemble Baghdad.
The problem for terrorists of whatever origin is that human beings are much more resilient than most of us realise. Immediately after the hugely spectacular attacks on the World Trade Centre in New York, there was a widespread feeling that nothing would ever be the same again. As the awesome scale of the destruction became apparent, it was hard for a time to think about anything else; I recall a poet of my acquaintance remarking on the impossibility of writing about such events, as though to do so would be a desecration of the dead. Six years on, there have been documentaries and movies about 9/11 - notably United 93, which recreated the flight of the plane which crashed near Philadelphia after passengers took on the hi-jackers - and novels such as Don De Lillo's Falling Man.
The need to make sense of horrific events is a profoundly human impulse, an essential part of finding a way to live beyond them. And that is what people do after the initial shock of a terrorist attack, when the national conversation about the plight of the victims and the risk of further bombings begins to subside. In 2001, Islamist attacks were still a novelty in the US and the UK though not in France, which was one of the first European countries to recognise the threat posed by political Islam. Now we are growing used not just to the existence of an Islamist terror network in Britain, consisting both of young men who were born here and others from Pakistan and the Middle East, but of the inchoate rage which fuels it.
In that sense, the events of recent days may well prove to be a turning point. Opposition to the war in Iraq has led many people in this country to sympathise with the grievances of radicalised Muslims, even after the 7/7 bombings, but it is hard to see that situation continuing much longer; it now looks as though al Qaeda sympathisers have begun recruiting doctors, who are trained to heal the sick, to kill and maim young people in nightclubs and families setting off on holiday. It is becoming harder to resist the evidence that political Islam hates not just British foreign policy but our way of life, which is why it targets places where people gather to enjoy themselves, women have the freedom to dance and drink, and gay couples might stroll past after a night out. The Islamists did it in Bali five years ago, bombing clubs full of European and Australian tourists, and they almost succeeded in doing it in London last week.
Ten years ago, Tony Blair came to power with a belief that his government would be able to cut a political deal with Republicans and Loyalists in Northern Ireland; protracted negotiations resulted in the Good Friday agreement, and the laying down of guns and bombs. That option does not exist with Islamic extremists, who want not just the withdrawl of British troops from Iraq but a whole raft of things - segregation of the sexes, sharia law, an end to secular culture - which we cannot negotiate away in the name of security. In recent days, watching people go about their business good-naturedly in London despite the threat of terrorist attacks, I have a sense that the public understands this. We have to stand up for our values, and that means that this time we are in for the long haul.'
Well said ,Ann .Soon enough those jihadists who hate western values will discover that they are unable to change the mindfram of the population in Europe .The efforts will be vain.
But back to the topic .Of course Libby did not leak information to the press.Nobody ever said that .But the pardon of Libby is the keystone to sealing off a conspiracy of neocon politicians who dragged the USA in a war based on false arguments .When Plane's husband hear of false evidence doctored by the White House and the Pentagon to demonstrate that Saddam was buying yellow cake in Niger for the production of atomic bombs ,he pointed out that this information was false .One would expect that any honest politician would be deeply gratefull for having discovered that the evidence to launch a so called preemptive ware against another country .Not so in the White House .Bush,Rumfeld,Rove and the rest of the neocons allready knew that .They forged all the so called evidence .So they were outraged that their forgery was discovered and thus the messenger had to be hung ,just as in the fairy tale .An orchestrated leak to the press was the only way these fine gentlemen could think of .
How funny that in a country that declares itself at war the cencles of power sabotage their own secret service .One would expect that in such warlike situation this would be some kind of treason ,wouldn't it ?
It seems to me that the White House does not take this war very serious .
So the White House croonies leaked the information to the conservative press.Libby succesfully fenced off the following investigation and Bush pardonned him when for doing so .THe circle is closed now ,but only neocons find some justicve in that .Luckily they will march of to the garbage dumps of history after the next elections .Even corporate bizness is not willing to place any bets on those morons .Republican candidates are having a hard time to finance their campaigns nowadays ,look ar Mc Cains financial problems .
It used to be different .
george w. bush is our president.
he is also the worlds biggest liar and biggest bag of puke
re: your comment 'Libby was convicted by a lawyer ... '
No ... he was convicted by a Jury.
Again you fail to grasp the most basic points.
And yes, you're wrong.
you guys should be thankful we have a man like bush
who cares for our welfare and protects us from harm.
he is the greatest leader ever ..ah duh i must have fell on my head again..
now let me ask you this...
if scooter would have went to prison who would have given chaney sex?
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