'Dr Death' Kevorkian released from jail; helped suicides (Roundup)
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Jun 1, 2007, 15:43 GMT
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i wonder if these politicians and religious leaders will be singing a different tune when they're suffering and in pain dying from a terminal illness. if they'll still think they should stay alive and suffer just to make the media, religious groups, and politicians feel better about themselves, all while they are the ones suffering. these people talk of dying with dignity, but is allowing a person to starve to death better than just assisting them in their death? just so they can wipe their hands and say they didn't 'kill' the person? give me a break. if your suffering, in pain, sick and dying.... shouldn't you have the right to die with dignity by allowing it to end peacefully and painlessly by the hands of medical doctors, not politicians, religious groups, and the media?
my guess is the people that considered him 'murdering' the man with lou geigrigs never knew anyone suffering from such a disease.
wonder if he has bush's address???
The SOB is getting poor Amewrica boys getting slaughtered, but none from his own family.
HE DOES NOT HAVE TO SEEK HIS HELP, AS HE IS A KILLER NOT SUICIDER
I think it's a shame this man was jailed in the first place. Hearing relatives of those who committed suicide whine is really pitiful. I mean, the reality of the situation is people who willingly wanted to die committed suicide, this man is completely innocent, if not to be commended for his human compassion. The 'victims'' relatives just want someone to blame for their selfish loss.
If I were terminally ill, and/or were a complete vegetable, I would want someone to help me die. I'd hate to live if it meant someone had to feed me, bathe me, change me and clean me. I think there is nothing more humbling than having someone clean your ass, once being able to. If my family forced me to live under these conditions, I'd say they don't love me if they don't give a fuck about what I feel; they are being unthinking and selfish.
I'd want someone to help me go peacefully, and no moralist or religious kook better stand in my way, for if I had the strength I'd rip them to shreds.
Well I am glad he is out. In my opinion, he was doing honest things, helping people overcome their pain. I mean, it doesn't seem like murder if they willingly signed a consent form.
i live near the dr..and the only reason he went to prison was politics and
to make a statement..that in my opion didn't mean shit...
The people who put him in jail obviously never had to watch a family member die slowly from inoperable bone cancer. Every person has the right to choose what his 'victims' did. He did nothing wrong but help people who didn't know how many pain pills to take all by themselves. If they were to get the number wrong, (10 pills? 20 pills? Who knows?) they'd have their stomachs pumped, and be forced to go through mental therapy locked in a room, and they'd still be suffering and dying! Pathetic our society is so cruel to the sick and helpless.
I personally do not believe in assisted suicide, as I feel it is biblically wrong, and I am a BA Christian. . Having said that, however, I also do not believe in legislating morality.
Assisted suicide should be limited to people who are completely mentally competent (as all of Dr K's patients were). Assuming mental competence, there is no reason why our judicial system should have anything to do with this.
I feel that anyone who follows through with any form of suicide will have a reckoning when they meet their Maker, but God gave us free will, and that should be their choice to make.
There are many people that help other people sin and fall short, but it is neither my place nor my government’s place to tell these people how to live their lives, as long as they do not harm innocent people.
I am a liberal Dem from NY. No faith, but Catholic background.
Thank God people like you can still exist! Funny how I have no faith but I thank God... Thank you for understanding what the true ideals religion is supposed to be based in.
JC
The man is just a glorified serial killer. If people in pain want to die in dignity, that can do it without his help.
Indeed, it is remarkable to see a person with strong beliefs who is not trying to shove them down everyone's throats. We do have free will and we do have the golden rule as well as ethics, morals and common sense. I think Kavorkian is a leader in that he stood up for those who couldn't. I imagine the helplessness one would feel with such crippling diseases. If it is your will to be released from that life of that pain, yet you can not and do not have the means, why shouldn't someone else be able to provide them? The people of power in this country let their personal and religious beliefs invade the lives of people who many do not feel the same. The separation between church and state (and The Man who says, 'I'm Right.' instead of asking, 'Is this right?') has gotten completely obliterated in lawmaking and criminal justice. The core values of Christianity are being construed to fit personal agendas that want to force everyone into submission instead of 'Love thy neighbor.' or kindness to your enemies. This revenge we seek on wrong doers, and punishment has gotten way out of hand. I can't see a solution except more acceptance and compassion than vengeance and hate. Look at what Kavorkian is doing FOR them, not what he's doing TO them. Yes, call it a sin, and we'll all find out when that time comes what is truly what, but on top of everything, I say free will reigns.
Mary- how would you die in dignity on your own? In all your pain and suffering you finally decide you don't want to go on like this for years, who do YOU turn to? Mary, what if your whole family says no. They will not let you die, they love you and refuse to let you go no matter how much pain you have, you have to stay here. In your loneliest days, your painfullest days you think of ways, but you probably think of a name of a guy you've heard of who has the capability to help you end your life peacefully with out any more pain. What's his name? Think of Terry Shivo(sp?) Let's say in 2 months you won't be able to talk (i know disease is not what happened to her) But you'll be like that soon and no one could speak for you then. The government will intervene, somehow, and you will die of starvation so that they can say they didn't kill you. (for some reason keeping people from feeding you isn't 'murder' at all. It isn't suicide either, it's letting nature take it's course!) Where's the compassion in that?
Who the hell is this comment poster that rambles on with unintelligible garbage, then ends his post with a Capitalised rant ? please take a few moments to shape your thoughts into something coherent before you type.
Sure it's a little colloquial, but it's not 'unintelligible garbage.'
Having completed surgery for rectal cancer just last month and barely survived the approved medical 'treatments' (chemo and radiation), I'd like to pose a thought: Dr's use a medically approved [albeit barbaric] form of 'treatment,' i.e. chemo and radiation (a great mix of science & mostly 'art') that destroys a person's body and spirit, while proclaiming a gain in 'longevity'. Is this not the inverse of what Kevorkian was doing? Which methodology is more humane?
My experience was excruciatingly painful and almost terminal. These local doctors refused to give me medication for the pain, while my family watched me deteriorate rapidly until my family doctor spoke to my wife about her sincere doubts about me 'making it through.' Where's does the Hippocratic oath come in to help people, instead of fostering more experimentation via the drug companies?
not garbage Jun 2nd, 2007 - 05:04:05
Sure it's a little colloquial, but it's not 'unintelligible garbage.'
Eeer, yes, garbage. If by 'colloquial' you mean insane... Well...
I too think he should have never been jailed and wish there were more like him. The spirit never dies justs goes to another dimension and can take on another form leaving the physical form that no longer can benefit it back to the earth. I'd like to volunteer to help the dr. in his quest. Oregon has passed the law and it's working quite well.
I watched my mother die slowly till her bones were actually coming out of the skin. It took almost 2 years for that memory to leave my mind. Every morning she would ask, ' Why doesn't God answer my prayer and take me home '? That was 9 years ago. I now am ill and in incredible pain but can't take medication since it just adds to the ills and doesn't really do anything to relieve it. I know what's ahead and I'd rather be able to die with dignity now instead of becoming a burden to society. Think about what living means, ill people only exist most of the time. Taking away all independence leaves you empty inside and it's not ' living ', having a family helps keep you going but not everyone has one. We don't let our animals suffer. Many, many blessings to the Dr.
let us leave out religion...
let us leave out some politics...
let talk cost !!!!
Consider the huge cost of keeping a dying patient alive for several months. You must pay for x-rays, lab tests, drugs, hospital overhead, medical staff salaries, etc. It is not unheard of for medical costs to equal $50,000-100,000 to keep some patients alive. We have to ask ourselves, is this the best way to spend our money when the patient himself would like to die? Wouldn't the money be better spent on the patients that can be saved? You also have to consider the drag on a dying patient's estate. Most people want to be able to leave their children and grandchildren with something when they die. Medical costs eat into that estate. It's totally unreasonable to pour this kind of money into patients that just want to end their suffering.
To add to this, our goverment spends large amounts of money to convict and imprison those physicians who assist in the termination of the lives of those suffering from terminal illnesses.
Food for thought !
Big Luv From Big Jay
i look at it like this if we have an animal that is sick we arent gonna keep it around just to say well there still alive no were gonna have them put to sleep so they dont suffer!!!! i think as americans we have the right to choose when its time for us to go or not if were sick i wouldnt want to keep my life goin on some machine or burden my family with hospital bills knowin that im goin to die anyway to me hes a hero hes givin us back our rights and not takin them away like our damn goverment is. i can only hope someday that the laws will be different and we will have the rights back we so need
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The doctor and HYPOCRICYJun 1st, 2007 - 16:32:03
The doctor is honest for what he says and what he does. The usual Christian hypocricy is to do something different and do different. Every government from state to that of any western country, is anti-poor and anti-organised people. If someone does it honestly, then he gets to be known with all denegrated names and titles.
HONESTLY LOOK AT ANY STATE OR FESERAL LAWS OF US, UK, OR OTHER COUNTRIES THE POOR AND NON ORGANISED PEOPLE HAVE NO VOICE OR SAY.
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