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Apr 17, 2007, 13:35 GMT
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It will be interesting to discover if the gunman was forced by police to kill himself, or if he was simply down to his last bullet. I didn't see any evidence of police doing anything but hiding behind cars with their guns and flak jackets while unprotecte students were being massacred just a few yards away.
Maybe Patti should have been there,she could have just run in like superwoman and had been #33.
.....and we regard ourselves as the most intelligent form of life on the planet?
Only because we're self-deluding idiots !
Can anybody answer this question? There's a picture of the police over a cuffed Asian man. Is this the man and if so how does that align with the report that he shot himself without any police confrontation?
Yes - and since he doesn't appear to have a weapon and is handcuffed, he must be quite remarkable if he then managed to shoot himself
I'm surprised at hearing several facts
1} no PA in classrooms.
2) no locks on the doors
3) no video monitors in the hallways
This is a tech university without these electronic devices. It can't be a matter of money.
Paulmac...there is a reason police get danger pay...cause it is expected that they will be required to put their lives in danger to protect the public. This police force was should be sued for cowardice, negligence, and dereliction of duty. I bet if even two cops had any guts, the dead count at the second location would be down to about 5...and if they had had any brains, there wouldn't have been a second incident at all. What a bunch of bozos...lock down the dorm AFTER the gunman has fled.
Oh, and paulmac...how come it takes four huge cops to carry one body. I'm surprised one of these fat asses didn't fall dead from a heart attack.
How sad in the face of an event as horrific as this that so many people haave all the answers for what should or shouldn't have happened and are so quick to condemn others who were there. No situation follows the rule books, and people try to do the best they can. How can anyone be so critical??? They should just be thankful they or their loved ones weren't involved. Their hateful attitude isn't what this situation needs!!!!!!!!!
Since none of us, thankfully, were there, where does anyone get off to critique the situation based on a bunch of still camera pictures and a camera video with a limited view of the situation? It's always great to be an armchair quarterback; I didn't see any headgear on those officers...probably not members of the SWAT team so throwing yourself into the open to be shot in the head doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. You can't help anyone when you're dead. And if that was the gunman being carried away, who says he wasn't dead already? You don't die like they do in the movies with your eyes closed! Why don't you wait for the facts to come out? We just lived through a year of the Duke case with people jumping to conclusions and insisting 'something bad must have happened'...doesn't anyone learn anything?
I agree, and some of the remarks just reek of a low-class, low-mentality attitude!!! We should all be thankful we weren't directly involved, and give our thoughts and prayers to ALL those who were.
Jen ...you are obviously related to one of the scaredy pants cops. The police didn't save one person. They went in only after the guy was dead. In fact their incompetence at the dorm caused the deaths at the second. If you were a parent of one of those dead kids, you would see this pretty clearly. I predict the facts will bear me out. I also predict that the gunman didn't put the chains on the doors...it was university security. I have seen this on many public buildings.
the same thing happened last year at Dawson College in canada last fall...and two cops who happened to be on the campus investigating a drug deal immediately entered the building with their regular cop gear, confronted the guy who had semi-automatic weapons, forced him into a corner and kill himself, long before he had used up all is ammo. Only a couple of people died in a cafeteria with a hundred students present. Now that is what cops are supposed to do.(The cops didn't die, and they didn't harm any bystanders). All this news coming from the Virginia police force is totally self serving. Not only are they untrained cowards, they are spinning the real truth.
It sounds like some people should read the news a little more. The police did go inside. Didn't you hear some of the students from inside Norris talk on CNN? The police were clearing classrooms while the shooter was still inside. It's a large building and the main doors were chained shut. Don't you think that would make it a little difficult to get inside? They obviously couldn't just go running in shooting off bullets in the direction of the shooter. There were too many innocent people around him to do that. Unless you think you could have personally done a better job yourself, I believe you should respect the officers for doing all they could and for risking their lives without a second of hesitation. I take it that anyone who has been criticizing the officers aren't officers themselves. What gives you the right to speak of bravery?
And you were there, patti???? It's so easy for someone sitting at home to criticize and feel they have all the answers - how low class!!!
Tells you that America; us should have hell of a stricter gun control and better VT. Jus dt having regular cops to respond. Usualy cops/SWAT teams move into the area that the gun fire is coming from and once the gun fire stops they switch their tatics to searching for survivors while another time keeps moving to where the sounds of gun fire were. but hey I'm not a Virginia police officer. Either way you can't go back into the past and change things. Maybe we should beef up the law enforcement throughout the nation and have more like Anti-Terrrorist SWAT teams like the Serbian Special AnitTerrorist Police Unit and the Russian elite military special forces Spetsnez that both would of responded to the VT massacre like whit on rice and get the job done. Cuz it really, really pists me off and shows cowardness when psycho-shooters take their own life!
It's unbelievable that you have so much anamosity toward the police in this situation. As one poster stated 'were you there?' This situation needs some positive feelings and less criticism in the face of this horrific act by people who weren't there. It's amazing that the ones who are never on the scene, have all the answers!!!!
What Patti says may sound harsh, but she has made some valid points. It IS unthinkable that law enforcement responded to a double homicide at the first scene where they apparently came to the conclusions that it was a he assumption that it was a domestic dispute. They do no have the killer in custody, they do not know the identity of the killer and they do not have his weapon. TWO HOURS later, the killer enters a building on the same campus where the first two murders occurred and shoots the remaining 30 victims. Lack of training? No contingency plan for this kind of emergency on the campus? Why not? There was reportedly another homicide on the campus two months before. No university is going to have their own SWAT Team...and the town sounds like it's a small town with a big university...so they may not have a specialized unit to handle something like this...but they should have some kind of plan... and training....rather than an ASSUMPTION based on nothing more than conjecture that the killer had left the scene.
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