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Feb 5, 2007, 16:53 GMT
Bush's 3-trillion-dollar budget boosts war spending
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Every American should realize at this point that throwing more money at the military does not make it more effective. We are losing (lost?) a war with the most expensive military ever funded in modern history. Everyone should fight this budget. A patriot questions if not challenges their government with the desire to always make it better. People should fight this wreckless administration.
I completely agree with American Patriot, and also feel that Bush is like an out-of-control steamroller. It is so frustrating to have to stand by and see him make such terrible decisions with our lives and our money!!!!
The way I see it is that part of the blame for the war is to be imposed on religious extremists .Mind you ,not only those in the Middle East solely ?Enough has been said about them already .THe have been targetted by the press and the administration .THey have their mirrorlike images in the US too,they are called Jerry Falwell,Pat Robertson and George Bush amongst others,waging a new crusade in the name of God (the only only real one of course ).Isn't it a well known fact that evangelicals,creationists and all brainwashing propagandists of the eternal truth claim the they possess the world of god from his own mouth ? ,that God is waving the amican flag over the battlefield,that the war is between the US and the evildoers ?
If so I suggest the outcome should be evident and there would be no need to divert money from social security to the war .May I suggest all the biggots to pray their deity deity for a quick victory and let the dollars flow where they are really needed,into education for the children ,health care for the elderly ,unemployment for the jobless .
Bu it seems they don't trust their own prayers,how strange .
Again my advise to them would be pray and stay out of the real world .Get back to your closets.
Pull out of Iraq, great idea, then what?
Our military is the only reason that region isn't a complete bloodbath.
Anyone remember Pol-Pot? Here's a refresher: he killed 3 million of his people during the 70s and 80s in Cambodia after we pulled out of Vietnam.
Right now we're the only reason there are thousands instead of hundreds of thousands dieing a month over there.
Want $10/gal gas? Want to double your electricity bill? Remember how the cost of regular goods went up when gas was over $3? If you do then yeah, let's pull out of Iraq. Or you can get off your idealistic high-horse and face reality, we've opened Pandora's box and simply leaving will not close it.
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Can anybody explain to me what pulling out of Vietnam has to do with all of this .Pol Pot was in Cambodga.The Vietnamese got rid of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge,not the US ! Before the US invaded Iraq there wa less bloodshet,now 3 years and a few thousands of billions of dollars the situation is worse.
It would help if people knew a minimum of world history before making careles statemenrs .Has anybody any idea what miracles could have been performed with the wasted trillions of dollars ?
The new plans of Bush now include reducing healyh care a,s social security to liberate even more money to feed the warmachine .Is anybody really thinking all this is producing any result except lining the pockets of a few wealthy investers in the armamenr bussiness ?
Tonny, you'd be more credible if you proofread before you submitted.
Yeah, there is more bloodshed since we've been there, but that's because Saddam kept that from happening by ruling with an iron fist. Now that the police state is gone over there the people who'd been itching to kill each other don't have anyone but the US to stop it.
Every person killed by a soldier probably saves fifty or more of whatever sect the person killed did not belong to.
As far as the miracles with the money, what miracles has the government done? Name one.
I went from a homeless shelter ten years ago to buying a house last month by working my tail off, no government handouts.
Social programs are a handout not a handup and should go away. Screw involuntary charity, want sympathy it's between shit and syphillis in the dictionary.
they are closing high schools in northern michigan left and right.
because there is no money .it's all in iraq. does this make sense???
New Diplomatic Mission established in the United States of America!
It was quietly announced today that a new Diplomatic Mission was established within the United States of America. The new Intergovernment is called the American Republic.
Sincerely,
Judah Ben-Hur
Ambassador
The American Republic
American Mujahideen Army Council
Headquarters: United States of America
For your information, Cambodia was a peaceful country, neutral in the Vietnam War. Prince Sihanouk adopted an official policy of neutrality until ousted in 1970 by a military coup led by Prime Minister General Lon Nol (big friend of Nixon), and after the invasion of Cambodia by the US army. Pol Pot appeared after that. No American intervention, no Pol Pot.
Iraq did have a brutal dictatorship, but nothing compared with what is going on now. Before the sanctions, after the 1st Gulf War, Iraq was a prosperous country, compared with it's neighbors. The people, under a brutal dictator, lived a normal life. Now, after your so dear intervention, because of non existent WMD, or because of 'democracy' and 'freedom', the population of that country is suffering like never before. And you'll leave, because you will do it, sooner or latter, and you'll leave behind thousands of deaths, a destroyed country, and have achieved nothing, but put trillions of dollars in the pockets of a few guys, who control your so called democratic institutions. Wake up, and see what's going on.
and any one else see a depression coming??
www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=37618&dcn=todaysnews
(Note the last included paragraph, indicating Bush's failure to budget in the correct fiscal year - that's been the case since 2003, and why we keep having 'supplementals'. Wait until the public digests that number, and asks why it's more important than funding entitlements.)
The cost of military operations and diplomatic efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world could top $1 trillion over the next decade, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates provided to the House Budget Committee Tuesday.
The budgetary forecasts hinge largely on the size of the force deployed to Iraq between 2008 and 2017, a matter that Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England told the panel is nearly impossible to predict. 'That's a long way in the future' to estimate both costs and force levels, he said. But CBO officials, at the request of House Budget Chairman John Spratt, D-S.C., estimated that the total costs of operations would range from $924 billion to just over $1 trillion if the size of the deployed force decreases from 210,000 today to 75,000 by 2013.
That compares to a CBO estimate in February of $840 billion total cost. But if the size of the deployed force shrinks to 30,000 troops by 2010, war costs would range from $481 billion to $603 billion between 2008 and 2017, CBO said Tuesday.
Already, Congress has appropriated $602 billion for Iraq, Afghanistan and other efforts in the war against terrorism, averaging about $93 billion annually between fiscal 2003 and fiscal 2005 before rising to $120 billion in fiscal 2006 and $170 billion in fiscal 2007. Of the total price tag, the lion's share -- $533 billion -- has paid for military operations and other Defense Department efforts.
The Bush administration's decision earlier this year to temporarily send thousands of additional troops to Iraq will cost $10 billion if this so-called surge lasts four months, $22 billion if extended a year, and $40 billion for two years, according to the CBO analysis.
During the hearing, England acknowledged the Defense Department will have to request additional fiscal 2008 funding to pay for the surge in military operations. The administration had not included any funds for the larger military presence in Iraq in its fiscal 2008 budget or fiscal 2008 supplemental funding request.
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wow this is very scary to see
the fact that America is making more enemies and attacking them more makes a very stupid idea
now all this money is being redirected to agitate the middle east when they are really no threat as long as the US minds their own business
its just too bad to see that there are people dieing in Africa ( US doesn't give a rat's a** about them) more over the US government has forgot about its people, there are more deaths and crimes in America than anywhere else (well except Africa, thats out of the question)
The US will continue to threat its people with lies, get more Americans into war and make the situation even worse, the middle eastern's won't take this and there just might be a world war 3 just when i finish University (I'm in high school now..)Russia just might come back ?
anyways i really think the war should be stopped and those fake government threats about terrorism and what not
I hope peace will rain for tomorrow
America never manufactured these enemies, they manufactured themselves. Look at Osami Bin Laden: his parents were RICH! He had a ready made career. He just went bugsh-t and look at him now...
Terrorists are made by Haters.
The Iraqi civil war is not America's fault. Just because religous zealots cannot get along, doesn't make it the USA'a problem!
I always love a Congress who grouses about the cost of the war, and then spends 300 billion on an unfunded agricuture bill to pay new york residents to not grow anything. $300 billion for corporate farmers...and they say the republicans are the big business party????
Lenny - it's your job to educate your own citizens, not the job of the federal government. Michigan is a disgrace because of it's leadership. Go fix it and get back to us.
Tonny, Bush actually wants to raise you social security value through private investment. Social security is totally broke. There is no real money to grow. Bush wanted to change all that, by allowing persons to save their own money, but the Luddite dems are keeping the public poor and reliant on a system that has failed. Thanks a pantload.
If dems did not want this war, they should have voted against it before they voted against it.
For the millionth time SP4,the democrats voted for the war because they were lied to by your neocon cabale;namely Bush,Cheney,Rove,Wolfowitz,Rumsfeld and Feyt .Even the top officials in your own government were subjected to those lies,like Colin Powell who was manipulated into making a speech to the UN general assembly stating facts about the so called WMD in Iraq,of which nothing was true,absolutely nothing.Now if this little neocon club was so succesfull at manipulating your top military brass,what else would you expect from your congress ;In any normal concept of democracy ,ethics or trial,people who are lied to are victims .Blem your neocons for leading your nation into the massacre of a country ,not congress.But you keep on repeating your ridiculous lies even after being confronted with reality for thousand times,Are you so stupid ?
..and while you are neither able, or under any pressure, to pick a candidate for us Tonny, you'd should consdier how wise any president could possibly be who would be fooled by the likes of George Bush!:
'helloo?'
'yeees...this is the presidint...oh!...heloo senatah Clinton...nahce dress y' had on th othah daay...reel slimin...weelll..ol Nancy Pelosi wiin's th ballooon fer slim,...ah meen, ah wanna give her a nsandwich, y' knoow?..but ya loooked reeel goood anyways!...for a full figyahd gal runnin on 60ish...nooo, ah din't mean nuthin...Heck,60's th new 59 senatah...'
'what?...WMD's!?....heck, thit's long agoo ah cin't recall...ah thinkit wuz ol Karl...nooo..maybah ol Dick....or ol Scoot...heck, it mighta been Sandy Berglar...WMD?...ah thought thit stood fer Weapons Made in Damascus!.....what?!...ah'm t blame?...well, heck senatah, when you sit in this desk that ain't much of an INN dictment noow, is it?!'
'n senatah...ah'll hep ya here...y' jes kepp tellin everah one dumb ol GW pulled th wool ovah yur eyes an y'all be up heah in a jiff! y' cin pull thim salmon flavahed cee gahs outa th humidoah unda th desk...reel comfortin...ask ol Bill whire ah cin git me sum..of thim cee gahs...Gotta goo noow, ol Johnny's havin a hundred dollah chicken dinnah fer th cause....y' git out thire an beat thit fella named O'bama...sounds Irish t' mee, don't it to ya? Mah Best to President Clinton...hav im bring Hallie Berry around whin he's feelin up ta it, ok?'
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