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Bush pressed to change course in Iraq, Middle East (2nd Roundup)

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By Tony Czuczka Dec 6, 2006, 20:46 GMT


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Did Anyone Bother to Ask the Iraqis'?Dec 6th, 2006 - 22:28:13

Seriously, ask the Iraqi gov't if THEY want this...

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What a Crock...Dec 7th, 2006 - 00:31:58

The 10 member election committee has spoken. They want to get this greenlighted for 2008. If bush caves on this, he is worthless.

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Read it, saw Meese...?Dec 7th, 2006 - 01:57:17

The report is so inconclusive that it's hard to see where Bush is NOT meeting the recommendations.

What a sham. The whole thing is designed to make it look like something it is not.

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President ChiracDec 7th, 2006 - 17:09:49

The only mystery here is why it has taken the US to reach these conclusions? It has been patently obvious to most of the world (from before the invasion) what the result would be.

Remove a 'strong' leader from an ethnically diverse 'country' and what you will find is that - you need a strong leader to hold it together. We have seen what happened to Yugoslavia after Tito.

Remove the military and civil service after removing a dictator (cf. Romania after Cuacescu) and what you would find is chaos. Fortunately the Romanian people had more sense than the US and simply renamed the Communist Party the Social Democrats and carried on as before. Not exactly utopian democracy but only a handful died in the process.

I have said this before, but might as well repeat it, you yanks should get out more. Bush had only been overseas twice before becoming President (he didn't even make it to Vietnam. Yanks go abroad once every 15 years compared with brits more than once a year. Experience counts for something. You will never get foreign policy right until you start traveling.

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Sprintracer4 on the Surrender CommitteeDec 7th, 2006 - 17:57:31

Let me see if I understand this correctly:

541 elected politicians, seem to think, for whatever reason, that they need an ADDITIONAL group of people, who are NOT elected, to point out obvious facts, and some non-facts, for the purpose of guiding 541 elected officials and, literally the THOUSANDS, of people who work for them. Whitehouse? Note enough. Dept. of State? Not enough. CIA? Not enough. Congress? Not enough. US Military? Still not enough...

The results were stellar,allegedly, like recomendation #19:

'...the President and his National Security team need to...keep in close contact with...the Iraqi government...'

Brilliant. Do they really think we do not see through this?

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Get RealDec 7th, 2006 - 18:07:24


So tell me Sprintracer ... would you suggest we keep doing what isn't working instead?

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Get RealDec 7th, 2006 - 20:21:47


A bit of info for my friend Sprintracer ....

What the Iraq Study Group proposed is called a 'comprehensive' plan.

Let me explain to you what that words means, since you apparently don't understand it.

A comprehensive plan is a list of 'everything' they see as necessary to do for success, not just the new stuff. And yes, a comprehensive plan will include the obvious, as you pointed out in your one example. And yes, it will include 'some' of what Bush is already doing too.

But most importantly, it will include things the Bush administration is not doing, or has refused to do, that they have determined will be helpful in achieving success.

You point out 1 of the recommendations (One of the obvious ones). There are 78 others.

Got that?


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President ChiriacDec 7th, 2006 - 21:52:14

FAO Sprintracer (or should it be Sphincter?)

It is precisely because of the list you make that you are in the brown stuff. Everybody knows what they think (i.e. you have never been on the right track) - that is everybody but your beloved neocons and Comander in Chief. They trump the whole list and you know that. Consequently we have never heard from them except from the odd leak. Well you have now seen the result of following the neocons. The US has lost all credibility and with it the threat of force. You are now impotent against Iran and North Korea.

Everything you do seems to have the opposite effect. You have lost Iraq and with that the whole plan to dominate the Middle East. Lebanon is now on the same path and Iran and Syria are strengthened. You are even advised to crawl to them to get you out of trouble. While you have been distracted in Iraq South America has moved further leftwards, Russia is asserting itself and China looms.

It will take a whole generation for the rest of the world to stop laughing at your blind faith in idiot neocons and a President who is a joke. Bush and the Republicans have been a disaster for you. Get a life and move on concentrate on medicare and leave foreign policy to real men.

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FrankDec 9th, 2006 - 18:02:49

Have you ever heard of 'Selective Editing'.You just pick out all the good bits you like to read and dismiss the rest.This is exactly what G.W.Bush has done with the Iraq Study Group report.So what was the point of the ISG in the first place?

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