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USA ranked no 29 in 2004,no recent statistics available.Infant mortality rates are a good indicator for the quality of health care.
...is a SINGLE measure, easier for the masses to understand than a more complex set of measurements. It does not address the data, it does not address the areas covered and in the hands of a skilled statatican, can be made to look like anything you want, so No, Tonny, it in itself is a poor gauge.
Drawing wide conclusions from a narrow set of facts is dangerous.
Trubrit gave you a lot to do, so I'll leave you to the task of informing yourself. Remember the words of Robin Williams i.e. 'a Producer-Director is a person who blows smoke up his own ass.' and try to make sure you do not.
Obviously SP4,you have no clues,a ranking is a ranking ,n 29 is no29,infant mortality is infant mortality,it is as simple as that .But of course if these parameters can be the subject of understandability as you claim,go aed,show us why they are wrong.Or just shut up when facts are inconvenient .
...you missed the point. I, for instance, have doubts about whether premature infants, left to die from unadministered healthcare in Europe enter the count. It would also be interesting to know who tabulates these figures in, say, the Czech Republic, or other places, and how, exactly they do it, let alone a host of other nations, where most children are not delivered in health care facilites at all but rather in the home.
Measuring anything by a single method usually is the beginning of knowledge, not the end. By your methods, one might look at longevity and conclude from it that health is getting better. The case, by your standards, could certainly be made, but real thinkers are not fooled by such simple measurements. I suspect this is the same reason we get such conclusion in climate studies as well, on top of gagging dissenting scientists.
The other glaring point is that with all of our present technology we still have the most difficult time with the simplest of measurements i.e. a census (you know, that place where infant mortality stats come from?)for example. Counting people, inside a border of even a small nation is exceedingly difficult. Earth temperature measurements are another, with temperature stations left unmaintained and then having scientists use these degraded instruments and act as if they're infallible. In every discipline, the current predilection is to accept these figures as sacrosanct, making sicence into a religion, exactly as Michael Creighten (a real scientist) accused the global warming establishment of.
No, Tonny, you have much to learn about how knowledge is aquired. This hiding behind what passes for fact will go on for a while, but when it starts failing, and we will want peoples support, it will not be there.
Tonny, Truebrit asked you a direct question. Where is your answer? Hiding inside a Chocolate Truffle and ignoring it does nothing to advance your cause. By continuing to maintain your silence on this matter does nothing but reinforce the impression that you are nothing more than an empty shirt with nothing meaningful to say and less than nothing to back it up. You are losing credibility every second that passes, Mr. Bilge-um. You are about to become a non sequitur in addition to being a laughingstock.
'where most children are not delivered in health care facilites at all but rather in the home.'
Are you down on home-births, SP?
They are not a bad thing at all. They are exceedingly safe. 3 of my 4 children were born at home, with family and licensed midwives midwives in attendance. Only one of my children was born in a 'medical' center and she died at birth, before my eyes. Even if she had died at home, there is a requirement to report the death to authorities. So, EssPee, be very careful of what you say. Check your facts first. INFORM YOURSELF.
...but I was referring to Eastern Europe, and the developing nations, not the USA or western Europe. Try keeping up.
Tonny,
I did not answer the post immediately below my last because, although I assumed you to be the author, it was not signed. Your next effort reveals that you WERE the author, anyway. When you begin to state honestly what you believe without striking poses, indulging in semantics, or regurgitating formulaic crap in support of your fashionable preconceptions, you may be taken a tad more seriously. I have attempted to address each and every one of the issues that YOU have chosen to raise on this thread. You have not returned the compliment. I am forced ineluctably to the conclusion that you are so intrinsically biased that nothing you say may be regarded as genuine.
By all the Gods SP4,
That was masterly! Your response to tonny's last is... (words fail me)
I had no idea that you are so well acquainted with statistical technique. I won't even quote from it. It stands on it's own merits. How can you, who so often seems to present as an unthinking bigot, display such erudition? Am I addressing the most unjustly maligned man on this site? Well, that's very much up to yourself. Be careful, though, not to extrapolate too far.
I saw your 'Obamabomba' piece, by the way. The concept was sound, but you flogged it to death! 'Well, you can write, but it's just not funny' springs to mind, my irreverent fellow comedian. Less 'smoke' and more 'mirror' would be my suggestion. (The 'veers sharply to the left' bit was a good idea, though)
Oh, and Tonny, no use pointing out that SP is 'biased' too. He has never laid claim to objectivity. You have, you hypocrite!
To 'The Man With No Name'
I see that you have looked back here, and have summarised our discussions very appositely. I think that you percieve my intent, and have drawn your own conclusions from Tonny's responses.
Your second post is unanswerable. Given the subject, I'll shut my stupid trap. Everyone should always be 'very careful' about what they say.
'..but I was referring to Eastern Europe, and the developing nations, not the USA or western Europe. Try keeping up.'
For YOUR education, Mr. Sh*tsack, there are more nations in the developed than the ones you just puked up. By the way, crap-for-brains it would be nice if you included them in your meager references. Otherwise people will see what a feckless moron you really are. Try and CATCH UP, idiot.
So that SP doesn't die from confusion '... the developed than...' Should have read '...the developed world than...'
To make a comment, step in a pile of sh*t and then try to find some way to blame the other person. Set the paradigm first, moron, and then make a statement, not make a fool of yourself and then set the paradigm to cover your ^ss. Say what you mean and mean what you say, fool. Don't be a Belgium Waffle, like Tonny. Go smoke another doobie and crawl back up your own arse, EssPee. Try and grow up, Sh*thead.
..yeah, the Obamabomb needs work, but I have to build on it. I had a Chevy Chase advertisment-style planned but did not get there. I should have used Obama as the spokesman...his Chappelle white person voice, that cardboard laugh, the oreo cookie smile...woulda worked better. Still, Laura and GW on the side...it's sweet...plus the 'Guiliani Bomb' with the words 'It's Guiliani Time!' (look up THAT Americana)on the side....
Masterly? Stats? I had one class in stats, more than enough for me, and got by woo'ing a young lady who had a real talent for it...among others. That is my experience in it's totality, outside of some Prop, Integral, Derivative program (PID)loops I need about once every four years, and the constant marketing drivel thrust out of every corporate orifice that seems pointed at my desk ( I throw most of it out).
So when one of these wimps pulls out a stat....It's Guiliani time!
Cheers. It's 5:00PM (somewhere!) and time for some Canadian and 7!
I am sure there are lots of time in the day that you break open the 'Canadian'. Probably a quart or two a day?
as it is known is nothing more than rotgut Rye that no self respecting Canadian would drink. We export 99.9% of it to the US where is is considered Manna from Heaven. Those clowns have no taste, no couth and absolutely no class whatsoever. But what can be said about a subspecies of human that drinks p*sswater and calls it beer? As was said elsewhere American beer is like sex in a canoe. It's f*cking near water.
Better to stick to English Real Ale!
It's warm, it's flat,
It puts you on the mat!
...I live in a town with 31 independent breweries, who have won numerous international awards, so if you're going to pimp beer in Portland Oregon, get a sack lunch and an army and come inthe summer because I only like beer on a hot day. Like the wine snobs of France, a new sherriff has come to town and the frogs still think wine is made by angry little men wearing berets and smoking gitanes. This could be why they're pulling up vines by the acre. It's a pity when your chips are disappearing and you do not know why.
Like our founders, we're proud of the fact that the american is a simpler, clearer thinking, more honest, person than the colonial oppressing dickheads we ran out...and back across the St Laurence.
In defense of our neighbors up north though, they do make a reasonably priced alchoholic beverage that goes down well with mixer, and have what I think are some of the best tittie bars anywhere, full of pretty french canadian women who seem happy to polish a yanks knob on a cold night, gratis. Now if any nation can have a neighbor like that, he can make fun of our love for his rot gut with our blessing, just remembering that they only learned to make whiskey after an american first taught them how.
Take off!
Ran us out across the St. Lawrence River(that is how it is spelled, sh*t head, not St Laurence?) Bullsh*t. We left on our own volition after burning the White House. There was nothing else to destroy, so we left. You sodding idiots LOST the War of 1812, moron. All your lies and obfuscating will never change that FACT.
As for a yank teaching us how to make whiskey, that's outright bullsh*t, once again. Many Scotsmen immigrated to Canada and they brought the secret to making a good Scotch with them. The fricking swill you drink is made by the Frenchies, who have all the good taste of a dead pig. No wonder you swill that rot-gut Rye, it's made by your equals. No self respecting Canadian would touch that bilge water. It's pure poison. As for the rest of your drug induce mental meanderings, all that can be said is: Dream on, drug addict, dream on.
In response to your 'take off': F*ck off, a-hole.
War of 1812, SP?
Been looking at Conservapedia again? The Canadians, with far smaller numbers wiped your arses for you! The invasion of Canada was a fiasco. Madison scuttled out of Washington like a rat up a drainpipe. Cochrane and Ross, having enjoyed the dinner he was kind enough to leave behind for them, raised their glasses to the health of His Britannic Majesty (as True Brits ought) and then burned the White House before heading leisurely back to the fleet.
About the only battles you won were the Thames and New Orleans. The second was due entirely to that idiot, Pakenham, and was fought after the Treaty of Ghent had been signed anyway. Did you know that Wellington was offered the high command after finishing with Napoleon? Care to speculate about what would have happened if Nosey had turned up over there with about 100,000 Waterloo and Peninsula veterans?
I think your leaders must all have been pissed on the 'Club'. Lucky for you lot that they sobered up long enough to make peace before you got squashed!
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