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House of shattered dreams: US deports more and more Mexicans
Nov 29, 2008, 15:12 GMT
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Don't you just love the PC crowd how they describe in this article 'indocumentados' insteald of illegals and how they have let their guard down and flaunt the 'rules' not laws. They want to take the sting out of what these people actually are. Lawbreakers who feel they are entitled to come here ILLEGALLY and not have to wait in line like the law abiding future citizens. Dremas! hogwash. they come here to take for themselves and take away from others and don't given me the hard working people just trying to make a living crap. People coming here legally are hard working and have dreams too and illeglas have no right to butt in front of the line.
I don't feel people should be able to come into the U.S. without the proper credentials, but I also believe when a baby or young child has been brought in with adults, then many years later that person is going to be deported into a country they know nothing about, is not the right way to go about this. That child had no say in the decision to come here illegally and shouldn't be held responsible if they have lived according to the law in every other manner.
...by letting these people who come into America for the express purpose of exploiting what were well-intentioned laws, they get by the immigration restrictions, and now, we are pilloried for the difficulties that follow. Go figure...
No, what we have here is a perfect case of the bleeding heart liberal. They bleed for the illegal alien but WANT weak borders, in the name of humane treatment, by some wierd twist of illogic.
Consider the point made above: the illegals come across an unsecured border, and then America is blamed for the arduous trip over.
Curious, no?
Were we to secure this border with a real barrier and an electronic frontier, all of this suffering would be spared, anti-drug efforts would improve, etc. Mexico would then have to deal with their populace instead of exporting it. Tell, me, where is the liberal elite on this, or even the conservative base?
The fundamental issue:
The typical U.S. citizen eats cheap food and they want more cheap food, as much as they can buy and stuff in their faces.
Mexican slaves are just a means to an end.
There is no problem here. The actual problem (how to get cheap food) has been solved.
America is so efficent at producing food, it is abundant and obesity is a huge problem.
Immigrint foreign labor only contributes about 1% of the value of american foodstuffs, so it's contribution is so small, as to be inconsequental.
That being the case, Lance, we can file your comments under 'just as full of crap as Lance's Bush-broke-the-bank-of England comment.
Now, Lance, go polish the metal plate in your head, preferably with a flat grinder. Ten, get busy on the Bush-Bank fantasy we're all dying to hear.
SP4: I see you have been googling some facts and posting them here. Too bad you have no idea what you are talking about.
How do I know SP4 (and his kind) are gaga!! stupid?
Many reasons. The first is that labor charges for food vary widely. A single figure could not even begin to describe labor situations.
The second is financial data. For example:
www.agf.gov.bc.ca/busmgmt/budgets/budget_pdf/berry/raspberry_hand_full_ prod_summer_2001.pdf
Has a spreadsheet showing projected income and expenses for raspberry production.
If you know how to read well then you can figure it out for yourselves.
The other way to know SP4 (and his kind) are gaga!! stupid is to simply know some farmers and listen to what they say.
Why is it important to understand SP4's point of view?
Easy:
He can not balance a checkbook. A checkbook is simply a balance sheet. Congress, the president and about 70% of the U.S. citizens can not do the same. They have no idea how to read a financial balance sheet and do not know how to live within a balance sheet restrictions.
Thus, they employ ideology like those of jesus to promote their arguments and ignore reality.
Such behavior has destroyed the United States Family Farm. To SP4, and his kind, he places such farms in ruination because he starves them of potential success in a REAL economy based on a balance sheet that exists in the REAL world.
Such things are going on all over the United States where people think payoffs under the table have no real consequences. From the U.S. president, congress right down to about 70% of U.S. citizens. They all think their illegal actions and associations have no consequences.
So, SP4: No only are you a person, you are also an archetype to personify 70% of the U.S. population, and a good explaination for the huge 10 trillion dollar federal debt.
And you better get off the ditch weed.
...manual labor in itself is only a fraction of the cost of food in the U.S. and farm labor from foreigners only counts for a fraction of that figure, if you use the total GDP number for food output versus the foreign labor component.
Like most people, you seem to think this accounts for a great deal, but in dollar terms, it's part of the pie is very small. In fact, it is actually shrinking, due to a pile of factors.
Raspberry production, on a commerical basis is a very good example: Most Raspberries, commerically grown, are harvested by machine, and are only sorted by human hands, not picked by them at all. In the near future, this step in the operation will be automated even further, virtually eliminating the human factor in the harvesting and grading operation altogether. Now there might still be a handful of farms doing a manual pick, but they get smaller every year.
Other types of ag products, like grains and cereal crops, are virtually automated in their harvesting, with only a machine operator and transport personnel required. In fact, this is the norm for most ag products i.e. dairy, meat, poultry, etc. Outside of some vegetable farming, ag is simply not very labor intensive anymore.
This is happening all over agriculture in the United States. The fact is, illegal Mexican labor has moved away from agricultural and is now moving into what are lucerative jobs in Construction, services jobs and other job markets, that pay a similar wage to what Americans earn for the same work.
So, Lance, go inform yourself and by all means, get back to us with that rediculous dissertation on how Bush broke the bank of England. Unlike you I don't need three posts to tell you that, do I?
Why don't you two just go and get a room.
Educate yourself:
Take a trip through the San Joaquin Valley and see for yourself.
Enlighten yourself.
...work as the food products specialist for your company for over five years and then come opine to us who have and then see what your razor sharp insight is worth. Tell us about your extensive knowledge on process, harvest and distribution. Shower us with your extensive expertise on agricultural economics.
Oh yeah, how's that doctoral thesis coming on how Bush broke the bank of England?
You are just blowing smoke, as usual.
Definition of a typical 'food products specialist':
An asshole bean counter that works to reduce costs of food year after year even if it means acquiring food sources that are tainted and produced by illegal workers. Works with ad department at food companies to pull fast ones on consumers. Figures out how to get 'Product of U.S.A' on food labels when the ingredients are from Mexico and China.
In other words: A general con artists and greedy S.O.B. that sucks up to the boss.
And the farmers are the ones getting screwed. They have to constantly battle unknown weather, labor, and in the end have to take whatever the price they are given. They don't get to set it, unlike most places. The price of their seed has skyrocked along with machinery. They have thousands invested at the start with no guarantee they will even have a crop.
'And the farmers are the ones getting screwed'
Absolutely true. I have seen it with my own eyes, first hand.
Because farmers can't make it they are forced to hire illegal workers and take government welfare handouts
or:
go bust and sell the family farm.
The honest ones go bust, the dishonest farmers choose the dark path. Unfortunately, many if not most farmers choose the dark path.
It happens year after year because people (like SP4 and his kind) fight to ignore the problems, and even make stories to pretend the problems do not exist. And the farmers, having made a difficult choice, are shamed into silence by the likes of SP4.
Wouldn't it be halarious if SP4 was a food products specialist in real life.
They define how much industrial waste can be in food and still call it food.
A good example is the recent FDA ruling on the amount of Melamine that can be in milk and still call it milk.
Us honest people call milk milk. Food products specialist call milk:
'What you use to call milk, but with industrial waste added'.
The ultimate con job where reality and fantasy blend into one. Perfect job for SP4 ... and for about 70% of the U.S. population.
..I'm a realist. Do some hire illegal aliens? Sure, just like they do in other businesses in America. My relatives dry farm seven thousand acres up north, so if I want a sob story, I've got one in my own family almost every year, and I certainly do not need to hear another one. Here is their postion: Farming is like any other business.
If you cannot open a ma and pa Wal mart, what makes you think a ma and pa farm is viable? They have to farm larger and larger chunks of land to get a return that justifies going on, year after year. Their business model succeeds because it is viable. Others do not because they are not viable.
Like one potato chip processor in Hermiston once told me 'farmers around here married college educated women and these women explained to their husbands, how little they were making. They went out and got other jobs and farmed on the side, or sold their farms, just like I went out and built this chip plant'.
Agribusiness is a business like any other and if you cannot make a go of it, do what other businessmen do and do something else. People just need to grow up. If you don't want illegal aliens, write your congressman.
Now, Lance, thrill us all with that doctoral on how Bush broke the bank of England.
..try treating you like an adult. It was, I'll admit, a waste of time, but I have one fault: I believe in people.
Now, run along and try explaining how Bush broke the bank of England to us all. America needs cheering up and you're elected the court jester.
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