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Ah BILL CLINTON, center-stage as before: when he lectured us waggling that finger saying:'I did not have sex with that woman - MISS LEWINSKY.' Ah D^CKHEAD telling us all:'I am not a racist.' - For the despicable comments about BARAK OBAMA. At law there is a maxim - 'FALSUS EN UNO FAKSUS EN OMNIBUS'=FALSE IN ONE THING FALSE IN EVERYTHING. GOOD ADVICE WHEN LISTENING TO ANYTHING HILLARY & D^CKHEAD HAVE TO SAY!!!!
Could Obama still lose the nomination? (abridged)
By Denis Keohane
Will Hillary outsmart Obama and take the nomination at the last minute?
Many of us familiar with Hillary Clinton's approach to achieving her goals refused to believe that she ever gave up all hope of winning the nomination and the presidency. Her words and actions on the subject of the convention itself always left the door open for a return, should Obama falter or suffer some calamity.
Her artful evasions were enough to lull journalists and (more importantly) Obama and his supporters into the presumption of inevitability. No further rumblings of a mass protest in Denver should the first black candidate be denied his rightful due were heard. After all, he received enough publicly expressed support from super delegates to put him over the top. And he won the popular vote in the primaries, we were assured, lending legitimacy to the super delegates who voiced their support.
Everyone presumed the presumptive nominee was a lock. Now there are a few signs that Hillary may be making her move.
- Blogger Patterico alludes to the Hillary Clinton campaign burning up the phone lines to the super delegates.
- Bill Clinton told ABC News, 'I am not a racist' and contended the race card was played against him. Even when prompted in the same interview to state that Obama was ready for the Presidency, he did not deliver.
- Hillary's PUMA ( short for 'Party Unity My A--.') supporters in Denver and nationally plan a rally at a Denver park during the convention.
- ABC news reported yesterday that Hillary Clinton does not rule out putting her name in nomination,contradicting earlier press reports.
Many people, including no doubt a goodly number of nervous Democrat super delegates, are asking themselves the David Brooks' question about Obama's standing in the polls: 'Where's the landslide ?' After evaluating him for several months, voters in the middle still aren't ready to embrace him.
National polls show not only a tightening of the Obama-McCain race to a statistical dead heat but momentum toward a McCain lead, something inconceivable only weeks ago. The specter of an Obama collapse has to haunt more than a few super delegates.
Buyer's remorse seemed evident and growing among many Democrats toward the end of their primary season when Obama lost again and again to Clinton, even as the delegate math was by then stacked in his favor. That remorse was put on hold (but apparently not resolved) by Obama's seeming to secure the nomination and the subsequent popular boost he enjoyed at first. But lately the candidate with a difference has had a hard time living up to his promise to be a new kind of politician.
According to RealClearPolitics, Obama has 1766.5 pledged delegates, 352 short of the 2118 needed to secure the nomination. He also has 463 super delegates, which puts him over the top -- if they hold. If a combination of Clinton campaigning and nervousness can cause a hundred and twenty or so super delegates to sit out the first ballot, Obama does not get the nomination on the first ballot and perhaps not at all. After that first vote a great many pledged delegates and all the super delegates are free to vote as they choose.
How much pressure could there then be for the forty-seven year old Obama to take the VP spot under Hillary, with the understanding that he would as such be the next Democrat in line for the top nomination whether Hillary won or lost, served one, two or no terms?
It looks like Obama's belief in his inevitability may have led him into a blunder, making it easier for Hillary supporters to prevent a nomination on the first ballot. After that point, anything goes, as all super delegates and many pledged delegates are free to vote their preferences.
After accepting the party's decision last June to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida but with half votes, only days ago Obama said he wanted the delegates to have full votes
Obviously, he said this believing he has won the nomination and that pandering to voters in critical general election states is of more importance.
If the party goes along with Obama's request, it reduces the number of super delegates who would need to sit out the first ballot for Obama to be denied the nomination, opening the way for Clinton! Ouch!
This is proof that the man should not be negotiating with Ahmadinejad. If he cannot think strategically and recognize his vulnerability to a last minute ambush at the convention, he would be eaten alive in big league world affairs.
www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/could_obama_lose_the_nominatio_1.html
250,000 No Obama DNC Emails And An Opportunity to Expand Intitiative Reach!
This morning we have updated the 'Last Stand' Email Initiative to stop the nomination of Barack Obama. As of last night, we have forwarded over 1/4 million emails on the behalf of Democrats opposed to the nomination of Obama and reform of the party. To date we have targeted approximately 1/2 of the Superdelegates and plan on reaching all of them, including the Superdelegates that have pledged support to Hillary Clinton, prior to the Democratic Convention.
Now is the time to try one last attempt to convince Democrat Superdelegates to drop Obama and reform the Democratic Primary System to re-establish the rule of 'equal representation'. Today, I have gained a great deal of personal respect for a group of Democrats, many life-long Democrats, who have realized that their party is no longer the party of FDR, Truman and Kennedy; it is the party of McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Pelosi and Reid. They recognize that the party which has decried disenfranchisement and pointed fingers in the past is the very party responsible for manipulating their own primary system resulting in the most widespread volume of fraud and disenfranchisement in American Political history. We may not agree on all political positions, but we agree that this nation was built upon the ideal of 'equal representation' and a government that works for the people rather than to secure more power for themselves.
politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/last-stand-email-initiative-for-p uma.html
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..about:
White Water
Selling MFN status / influence to the chinese for campaign funds
Selling influence to the russians for campaign funds
Travel office scandal
Mr. Hsu's fund raising schemes
Firing US attorney's over the White Water probe
Clinton foundation money laundering and influence selling
Hillary influence peddling to Columbia
Sandy Berg(l)ar's documents theft
Lying under oath to a federal judge
Being impeached for it
You can bet Edwards speaking slot is open!
Maybe he will talk about how great the economy was when he left office, how we had no debt, how the economy was on an upswing, how they told Ms. Rice there was a huge terrorist threat (and she went shopping), how the Euro was worth less than the dollar, how oil was $18.00 per barrel? Maybe just maybe he will talk about how things were before the current administration messed them up with their stupid Texas politics? Maybe?
it was Clinton who let Osama Bin Laden go when Somalia offered him up to us on a platter. How'd that work out? He left it for Bush to clean up. He also pardoned Pureto Rican terrorists who NEVER asked to be pardoned, ostensibly to currie favor from the Puerto Rican community in NEW York for his wife's senate run.
It was Clinton who resided over America when our foreign oil dependence went from 40 to 55%. How's that working out? He left it for Bush to deal with.
It was Clinton who greenlighted every oil merger you now benefit from in the form of high fuel prices and high crude prices.
It was Clinton who ignored banking laws that came back to bite you in the form unrestricted loans and a costly bailout in fact even perpetrating a savings and loan scandal himself, then firing the US attorney to escape scrutiny, necessitating a Special Prosecutor.
It was Clinton who ignored Saddam Hussain for eight years, while he facilitated numerous terrorist organizations by providing safe passage, passports, money and safe haven for guys like Abu Nidal.
It was Clinton who signed a useless treaty with N. Korea paving the way for their nuclear program by not havbing a single enforcement clause, leaving it for GW Bush to clean up.
It was Clinton who greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, WTO and MFN for China, making the DNC rich from the foreign monies coming in to fund this selling of America, all with the dem libnazis watching and not a word from any of them. Then it comes out he was accepting money from Chinese sources, likely to be Chinese intel for MFN status.
In other words, Bill Clinton ate the seed corn of America while the problems festered, then handed them to America's mop and bucket boy GW Bush to clean up.
'it was Clinton who let Osama Bin Laden go when Somalia offered him up to us on a platter. How'd that work out? He left it for Bush to clean up. He also pardoned Pureto Rican terrorists who NEVER asked to be pardoned, ostensibly to currie favor from the Puerto Rican community in NEW York for his wife's senate run.'
It has been 8 years and he is still out there, you let him go to pursue your failed agenda--failed as we have lost 4000+ soldiers for something you-all hope will work. Unfortunately none of the losses were from your family. The second part is a typical right wing talking point and has been proved to be a lie over and over again, only a simpleton would keep harping on stupid Rush news.
'It was Clinton who resided over America when our foreign oil dependence went from 40 to 55%. How's that working out? He left it for Bush to deal with.'
Again that has been almost 8 years ago plus during your boys job it has gone to 70%, 'hows that working out' you stupid POS! And Bush did not deal with it at all, 6 years of total control and no energy policy.
'It was Clinton who greenlighted every oil merger you now benefit from in the form of high fuel prices and high crude prices.'
Liar!
'It was Clinton who ignored banking laws that came back to bite you in the form unrestricted loans and a costly bailout in fact even perpetrating a savings and loan scandal himself, then firing the US attorney to escape scrutiny, necessitating a Special Prosecutor.'
Liar, the new banking laws were created in Bush the 1st's tenure, plus made easier by Bush II's. You are such a liar, I hope you choke on your chewing tobacco tonight.
'It was Clinton who ignored Saddam Hussain for eight years, while he facilitated numerous terrorist organizations by providing safe passage, passports, money and safe haven for guys like Abu Nidal.'
It was Bush one that had in a hole and he let him go, kind of sucks to be you and yours. What an idiot! If we had finished the job back then when there was a real reason, we would not be dealing with this crap now---Bush I and Bush II looses 4000+ that did not have to be lost. That plays well for your people.
'It was Clinton who signed a useless treaty with N. Korea paving the way for their nuclear program by not havbing a single enforcement clause, leaving it for GW Bush to clean up.'
GW Bush did not clean up crap. The reason the N. Koreans came to the table was the pressure put on them by the Russians and the Chi Coms. 'GW Bush' had nothing to do with the change over there. C. Rice could not negotiate her way out of a New York Taxi unless there was a shoe sale somewhere.
'It was Clinton who greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, WTO and MFN for China, making the DNC rich from the foreign monies coming in to fund this selling of America, all with the dem libnazis watching and not a word from any of them. Then it comes out he was accepting money from Chinese sources, likely to be Chinese intel for MFN status.'
NAFTA ok, the rest is crap and you know it. Maybe you are to stupid to know when you are being stupid? By the way the Republicant's supported the NAFTA thing, but I guess you forget that?
'In other words, Bill Clinton ate the seed corn of America while the problems festered, then handed them to America's mop and bucket boy GW Bush to clean up.'
GW Bush has yet to clean up anything stupid! Name one thing that is considered anything besides a failure that these boys have put their hands on? Afghanistan---failure, Iraq---failure---economy---failure---trade---failure---dollar---failure, etc, etc.
You lived in your cake and ice cream world of Clinton while he ignored all the signs:
He let Osama GO when he was offered on a platter!- he left it for the next guy, the Puerto Rican Terrorists too!
He let Saddam flourish while he mouthed getting him - in the end, Bush had to do it.
He let oil merger after oil merger go through in the 90's and sold influence to AMOCO via Sandy Berg(l)ar
He sold MFN to China for money, just like he sold it to everyone else. He greenlighted NAFTA, GATT, and WTO, without nary a hiccup from the left.
Clinton signed a useless treaty with N. Korea and Bush has been ramrodding the unraveling of it for 7 years.
Bush successfully got Libya out of the nukes business after 30 years of dem mouthing 'internationalism'. Now, it's done.
So now, after 30 years of dem failed enrgy policies, we have $4.00 gasoline.
Bush, for 7 years, has preached domestic drilling and libnazis like you thumbed you nose at him. Now, who's laughing, dickhead?
The dems stymied domestic oil, steel, chemical, and industrial production of every kind with unrealistic permitting and endless lawsuits by their brownshirts the trial lawyers for the last 30 years. Now we outsource all of it.
Dem policies and stonewalling got us here. The libnazi cake and ice cream world turned sour and now ol GW is supposed to spend to support a dollar ravaged by years of libnazi stifling of economic development.
The dems supposedly now lead in Congeress and their first feat of imagination is a 286 billion dollar unfunded farm pork bill, for rich farmers not to farm, after mouthing 'pay-go' for 6 years. Then they did everything possible to kill the second amendment. After that, they tried to take down the US aG after he busted a half dozen of their crooked collegues.
No, boner boy, your trophy boy really cooked up a mess, easy to do when his liuttle head was being bobbed under the desk and robbing needed blood from his really, really BIG head.
the list continues.
...we're trotting this out for a spin this year and see just exactly what folks think.
This old crap of ignoring glaring shortcomings in our domestic energy policy is going front-and-center to the american public and the polls indicate they are tired of the old crap. Even Obama is mouthing, abeit a disingenuous mouthing, about domestic drilling, an indicator that he knows they are on the wrong side of this issue.
It' also curious to see the relationship of foreign oil cost to dollar value and we're gonna have plain talk about that.
We're going to have a frank conversation on how the dems got it wrong in iraq and wanted to cut and run, flower child-style as in the 70's.
We're reminding folks of Hillary's Wal-Mart-NAFTA positions of the 90's and how they brought us to where we are.
Yep, we're adding to the list...and the list is long.
Wait 'till the end of Bush's term, and then we'll see whose list is long!
clinton, even admitted he ignored foreign issues in favor of domestic ones. It is obvious the pattern of neglect he left on foreign policy, in addition to selling his influence at every turn.
He, in essence, left this lemon for the next guy.
Now, the next guy has had to deal with all of it and the next guy has the will to...in spades.
'Holding your breath' - gosh, that might be a good thing!
...if you just aquired an intellect.
Sure - like yours - always telling people to come up from their mother's basement, etc., and other stupid remarks. What goes around, comes around!
..I ignore a whole lot of personal insults, made for no other reason than me just writing my opinions, so when I do land on someone, you can bet they have it coming.
Typically, you can read my posts and they deal with the subject at hand. The replies usually revolve around some diatribe that insult my intellect, or my heritage, or some other personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
So, if you got whacked by me, it was likely for this. Stick to the subject and it's unlikely you'll get slimed because I actually dislike insulting most posters.
'..I ignore a whole lot of personal insults, made for no other reason than me just writing my opinions, so when I do land on someone, you can bet they have it coming.'
I am sure this scares everyone. If you had a brain then your landing on someone would have an effect!
'Typically, you can read my posts and they deal with the subject at hand. The replies usually revolve around some diatribe that insult my intellect, or my heritage, or some other personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.'
It is easy to remember your posts, they are the ones that rant on about how great Bush is/was and how awful Clinton was---same old crap all the time---and not at all ccorrect. Yes the ones with the spelling errors, and full of lies of the current administration---or just 'Rush facts'. i.e. the 500 WMD's found in Iraq, you forgot to mention they whatever they found were useless but you did mention it actually thinking someone would take your lie serious---ha! 'Insult my intellect', that would mean you actually have intellect. Now that is a stretch.
'So, if you got whacked by me, it was likely for this. Stick to the subject and it's unlikely you'll get slimed because I actually dislike insulting most posters.'
And all of this makes you wrong, come into the 21 century and use your spell check.
...let's dance:
be afraid be very afraid....Aug 14th, 2008 - 00:22:18
sp4 - are you on something????
'..I ignore a whole lot of personal insults, made for no other reason than me just writing my opinions, so when I do land on someone, you can bet they have it coming.'
I am sure this scares everyone. If you had a brain then your landing on someone would have an effect!
sp4 - sure seems to, just look at yourself, professor...
'Typically, you can read my posts and they deal with the subject at hand. The replies usually revolve around some diatribe that insult my intellect, or my heritage, or some other personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.'
It is easy to remember your posts, they are the ones that rant on about how great Bush is/was and how awful Clinton was---same old crap all the time---and not at all ccorrect. Yes the ones with the spelling errors, and full of lies of the current administration---or just 'Rush facts'. i.e. the 500 WMD's found in Iraq, you forgot to mention they whatever they found were useless but you did mention it actually thinking someone would take your lie serious---ha! 'Insult my intellect', that would mean you actually have intellect. Now that is a stretch.
sp4 - this is because people like you become incensed when we bring these pertinent facts, like the 500 WMD's (documented) and the two set off as IED's(documented) and they rankle the fragile bead you think you have on reality. I do not really listen to Rush, because I already KNOW what he thinks, so you are the expert there, and the rest of your diatribe pretty much paints a picture of your own intellect.
'So, if you got whacked by me, it was likely for this. Stick to the subject and it's unlikely you'll get slimed because I actually dislike insulting most posters.'
And all of this makes you wrong, come into the 21 century and use your spell check.
sp4 - Like most of your pseudointellectualism, you are under the delusion that having Bill Gates do your spelling for you somehow makes you superior, and this is fine with me, but it points out the glaring shortcoming of your own intellect and the total lack of confidence in doing the least little thing yourself. This is fine with me too, but why would I trust the opinion of anyone on WMD's, politics, or anything else, when he's frightened of mispelling a single word?
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