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'We are not going to lose the war. '
Thanks for your support.
'NO! I am NOT going to do any damage to this country. The Democrats are. '
And you are enabling them.
'He is not inclined to hold the line against the Democrats.'
Perhaps he wants to put an end to trashing the country in order for people to get their own way.
'His campaign is doing nothing to motivate his rank and file.'
Sorry that you don't feel motivated.
'The Democrats are going to have full control of both houses of the legislature.'
And the presidency if you get your way.
'Oh, geez how could I have been so slow! '
You are crazy, that's how.
'No, I am not an Obama supporter, even though I a WILL vote for him.'
Idiot.
'Fascism is exactly what we already have--at least the first stages of it.'
You need to start making some giant paper mache puppets and get your self to protesting bubba.
'Big Mess by Democrats = Democrat Defeat. '
At what cost and there are smarter ways of defeating them. Having a better message and working harder is the usual way. Not voting for them, that is a good way. Yes, I get it, it is counterproductive, bad for the country and stupid to vote for someone because you think they will screw up. Traitorous to want to lose 2 wars so you can make Harry Reid look bad. I get it I get it I get it. It is a BAD IDEA.
'So you think the Democrats can do what the plan to do, making a huge mess, and that the American people will just go along with them like bunch of sheep. '
I think people like me will be working every step of the way to reduce the big mess that they will make instead of sitting on their rear ends like you and rooting for it to happen. The slide will be prolonged enough for them to do real damage ESPECIALLY with who they are nominating.
I have spelled this out as clear as I can.
'No, it would not be fun to lose a city, but then I think that if we were going to lose a city we would have already lost one. '
Oh, well, I guess it is imposable then.
'but all you have been defending the country from is external threats. '
At the moment I see you as an internal one. Playing from the same play book as your ideological enemies. They will win the game that you want to play with them. They will take it RIGHT TO THE BOTTOM.
'Compromising with them and their Democrat colleagues is dangerous. '
YOU ARE PLANNING ON VOTING FOR THEIR AGENDA!
'I have no reason to believe that the Democrats will waste that much time.'
Decent people will try to stop them.
'Our name is ALREADY mud. The newspukes have seen to that. '
No it isn't. Regardless, I will not sit by while it is made worse.
'I want an end to his political career.'
So work with his opponents to defeat him. You are helping him to have a long and in his eyes successful career as it stands now.
'I suspect that Senator Obama would be more than a little peeved to know what I see in him. '
He isn't going to see anything out of you bubba. All that he is going to get from you is another number signifying that you endorse his position and wish to see it become the law of the land.
'You see an unstoppable monster.'
Hopefully NOT unstoppable.
We've had liberal presidents before..and we are still here.
Enough of what? You quitin' already? Come on, Yorker! We both know you are tougher than that.
Re:'Thanks for your support.'
I have been supporting you and your brothers at arms. Just understand that worst of the war is on another front at the moment.
RE:'And you are enabling them.'
Yes.
RE:'Perhaps he wants to put an end to trashing the country in order for people to get their own way.'
Which is precisely what has created the conditions we are struggling to cope with right now. The 'center' of American politics has steadily shifted leftwards until a Jeremiah Wright barely causes a ripple of any concern whatsoever. His ties to the Weather Underground are ignored, even after the United States has been attacked by other terrorists. All of this is possible because it has become more and more acceptable to be raving leftist. Well, guess what. That is NOT acceptable to me. Compromise with these kinds of people is no longer acceptable. It is better to let them have it all there way for a little so people in the middle are ignored once again and the mess can be cleaned up. That's right, we on the right will clean up the mess just as we have done every time the left has made a mess. Fish or cut bait, Bubba.
Re:'Sorry that you don't feel motivated.'
John McCain for damned sure should be. When I take up a candidate's cause I am dead serious about it. Trouble is, I can't find John McCain's cause.
RE:'And the presidency if you get your way. '
Yes! That way, everything the Democrat led Legislature does the Democrats are obliged to take responsibility for because there were no Republicans in the loop. I'll ask again. WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IF JOHN MCCAIN GETS ELECTED?
RE:'You are crazy, that's how.'
Says you. Show me how John McCain, of all people, is going to be of help while dominated by Democrats. Show me. I don't have good reason to believe that he can do that. Not eve Ronald Reagen could function under such circumstances. As far as I can see, John McCain would be doomed to become part of the mess. All that would accomplish would be to put a Republican stamp of approval on leftist behavior. Why would he of all people want to do such a thing?
RE:'Idiot.'
Strategic thinker.
RE:'You need to start making some giant paper mache puppets and get your self to protesting bubba.'
Har-har. Hardy. Har-har. You need to do a little more studying, Bubba. I ain't pullin' yore leg on this one.
RE:'At what cost... '
What ever cost is necessary to get the job done.
'...and there are smarter ways of defeating them. Having a better message and working harder is the usual way. Not voting for them, that is a good way. '
So lay the message on me, Bubba. The message I got from Senator McCain is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are nice people. You gonna do better?
RE:'Yes, I get it, it is counterproductive, bad for the country and stupid to vote for someone because you think they will screw up.'
Show me how John McCain can avoid being a screwup, Bubba. Explain to me what you expect to see happen during a McCain Administration with the Democrats in control of the House and Senate. He is going to do it all on his own, is he? Boy, I am so impressed with that argument I could just schott.
Re:'Traitorous to want to lose 2 wars so you can make Harry Reid look bad. I get it I get it I get it. It is a BAD IDEA.'
The war with Harry Reid is the real war, Bubba. Leave Harry Reid in place and there is no way our military will be able to win the external conflicts. Don't you get it, yet? THE DEMOCRATS WANT US TO LOSE! More importantly, the Republicans have already surrendered. They believe the polling data. They are not even trying to make a comeback and John McCain is doing exactly nothing to help them make a comeback. The only way to defeat the Democrats now is to let them self-destruct. YES! It's gonna hurt like a sumbich! NO! I don't like it, but it IS what we are going to have to do.
That is, of course, unless you can make a real case that John McCain will be anything other than a complete disaster as President of the United States.
'RE:'I think people like me will be working every step of the way to reduce the big mess that they will make instead of sitting on their rear ends like you and rooting for it to happen. The slide will be prolonged enough for them to do real damage ESPECIALLY with who they are nominating.'
Lay off that BS, Bubba. I don't just sit on my ass. I've been working in politics off and on since Barry Goldwater. You have no right to lay that shit on me. YOU are in a state of panic. YOU are allowing this scrawny sidekick of George Soros buffalo you. He is not ten feet tall and bullet proof. The guy is a complete disaster whenever his handlers are not around to set him up.
RE:'I have spelled this out as clear as I can.'
No, you haven't. You could and should do a better job. Make your case for John McCain. Make a real case. Tell me what you think will happen if we elect him. I'm waiting to read it. Hell, who knows! I might even decide you're right and I'm wrong. Truck it out here so we can ALL see it.
RE:'YOU ARE PLANNING ON VOTING FOR THEIR AGENDA!'
Which is a far safer thing to do than to give them credibility by compromising with them. Let them screw up! How else do you propose to discredit them?
RE:'Decent people will try to stop them.'
How many decent people are there in Washington DC? The goopers who are left in DC are too busy imitating beached jellyfish to put up a fight. Especially after John McCain fussed at them for doing so.
RE:'So work with his opponents to defeat him. You are helping him to have a long and in his eyes successful career as it stands now.'
So he would lose this election, so what? That isn't enough to meet our needs, Bubba.
RE:'Hopefully NOT unstoppable.'
He's as brittle as carnival glass, Bubba. My whole program for handing the Democrats their own gonads on a platter may be ruined by that this fall.
If you did vote for MCCain...you would be sending Harry Reid a message you cannot get to him any other way? That, I'm afraid, is your choice. 'won't get anything done...?' well, Bush has managed to get legislation he wanted passed, even with a 30% approval rating, in a dem congress and to stymy legislation he disagreed with, and he's supposed to be the dumbest bastard on earth.
We've may have been sold a bill of goods: If MCCain wins, it will, undeniably, be a referendum on the Iraqi war and it will, undeniably, mean folks do not tow the dem line. Crazier crap has happened.
Remember: NIXON was voted in in 1968!
Perhaps THAT is shared power, not electing a neophyte, but sending a message to those who will not get one any other way.
Try again, SP4. I'm not sure I follow you.
BTW, the only thing I want to send Harry Reid is a pink slip.
Here's some stuff I missed, Bubba. I have to be back at my anvil tomorrow so I might go missing for a day or two. Don't worry, though. I'll be back.
RE:'Finish out our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan and leave al Qaeda broken and humiliated.'
Agreed, but how can John McCain accomplish this with the likes of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the legislature?
RE:'Take a firm yet sensible stand against Iran.'
A firm yet sensible stand? Against Iran? You wanna 'splain to me what that might be?
RE:'Control waste and spending to cut our deficit and national debt.'
While Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton insist on implementing changes to health care? Surely you realize that McCain's plan hasn't got a chance with that bunch running the legislature. Oh, and there is the 21 Trillion Dollar Green Monster we both know is waiting in the wings. You, know, the one Senator McCain didn't like because it didn't have enough money allotted to the development of nuclear power? Then of course, the Democrats want to 'Do Something' about housing. Oh, yeah. Sir John is going to have a lot of luck curbing that, I'm sure.
RE:'Take on the teachers unions and end the indoctrination instead of education.'
You want to kill the teacher's unions? Kill federal support for state run school systems. Good luck.
RE:'Formulate an intelligent national energy plan that will at first reduce the cost of oil and eventually eliminate the need for it.'
I agree with you whole heartedly with this approach, but it is NOT the approach that has been adopted by Senator McCain.
RE:'Secure our borders.'
McCain-Kennedy?
RE:' Rebuild our manufacturing base.'
Trade treaties! Especially the treaties with China. The only way we will EVER get mfg back is by changing labor and insurance laws. John McCain is going to jam that kind of legislation through the Reid's Senate and Pelosi's House? What's he going to do? Hire Hermione Granger to give him hand?
RE:'Find a solution to the health care issue'
You want a solution to health care? Get the government out of it.
RE:'...and manage the rise of China and India...'
Bubba, India and China are going to manage the rise of India and China, not us. We should work harder at developing better relations with India, but if you really want to get that done, you will have to fire about half of the bunch now working at the Department of State.
RE:'Again, you are not getting it. There are many who will elect/reelect him because he is not Bush or because he is black or because he says the things they want to hear. This is not about merits or qualifications. This is about his cult of personality. When he screws up the narrative will be because the neo-cons stopped him or because he wasn't allowed to go far enough or because of racism... Not because of his actions. When he fails it will be someone else's fault, the usual suspects. Look how he has handled all that has been thrown at him! Deny, stall, tell people they do not understand, question their motives for wanting an explanation and when left with no other choice, toss someone under the bus and proceed with business as usual. There haven't been any changes in core beliefs here and certainly not in the direction the campaign is taking. He is continuing on exactly as before and the people are eating it up.'
Oh, ye of little faith. Of course his hard core fan base will keep right on believing in him. So what? You act as though this guy capable of psionic mind control. HE IS NOT A SUPER POWERFUL ALIEN! He can't even do those old Jedi mind tricks. His campaign is nothing more than the same old drivel that the Democrats have been selling since FDR. When scripted, Barack Obama is an incredibly powerful orator. So frikkin' what? You are running scared of this hollow little man for no reason. I'll be lucky if he doesn't fall apart early this fall and hand the whole thing over to John McCain.
RE:'It is more then that, their message is omnipresent. From school to college to the way products are marketed to television. Watch MTV sometime... It is heard so often that it is accepted as reality. Obama is the culmination of this. A record-less, pandering, all things to all people human lie. All style over substance. If he fails, if it is shown that people can see through it, if they use their heads instead of capitulating to 'popularity' and fad or threats of being labeled a racist for disagreeing it might put a dent in the entire way they push their message. It might send them back to the drawing board. It might put them in disarray. It might get people to take a closer look at what they are being told by MSNBC and George Soros. '
If you want to defeat them that is what you are going to have to figure out how to beat. The infrastructure that makes their message commonplace to the point of unquestioning acceptance. That is why I have spent the time here that I have. Trying to figure out how to shake people who are having their accepted beliefs challenged.'
Reality is a harsh mistress.
Re:'Watch the blame for the fiascoes that you envision fall on the usual suspects. As you demonstrate, people believe what they want to believe.'
Oh, give it a rest. Some people really are that stupid, it's true, but by no means are all of them that stupid. Most of them are thoroughly pissed off at the government right now. They think, rightly, that the government is being run by a bunch of idiots.
“No, you haven't. You could and should do a better job. Make your case for John McCain.”
On this thread alone I posted about 45 paragraphs on why McCain over Obama is a no brinier. A previous post got deleted because it was too long. Indeed, you well know what the ramifications of an Obama presidency are, you have posted some. The very best case for John McCain is that he will work hard to prevent what you want to occur. Collapse, bankruptcy, surrender.
“Make your case for John McCain. Make a real case”
Why repeat myself? To indulge you? You have made up your fool mind, go disgrace yourself. Just don’t pretend that you are doing it on principal, on strategy or even that it isn’t beyond stupid.
“Which is a far safer thing to do than to give them credibility by compromising with them.”
You are voting for them, there is no more credibility that they need. Winning elections is the beginning and end of legitimacy in a democracy. Deal with it.
“Let them screw up! How else do you propose to discredit them?”
They have already discredited themselves. Their approval rating is 14%. I think seeing them trying to pass pork-laden legislature and then trying to overcome the veto to get their bridges to nowhere and their bankruptcy causing entitlement programs will drive those numbers down further. Trying to de-fund a war that we are winning will get their approval ratings down to zero.
“Especially after John McCain fussed at them for doing so.”
Where has he fussed at them for fighting the democrats? I can only think of him stopping the nuclear option and guess what, the republicans were wrong on that.
“So he would lose this election, so what? That isn't enough to meet our needs, Bubba.”
Yes, it is. Moreover, it is all you are going to get, ever. That is an excuse for not getting off your ass and fighting the good fight. Coward.
“My whole program for handing the Democrats their own gonads on a platter may be ruined by that this fall.”
You don’t have a 'program' for anything, only a STUPID pipe dream.
“BTW, the only thing I want to send Harry Reid is a pink slip.”
Gee, is that why you are going to make him a hero among the democrat party for endorsing his defeat America strategy by doing EXACTALY what he was after? Electing a democrat president? It is so unbelievably stupid that you think that would EVER come back to haunt him. He would be a hero, he would go out as such.
“I have to be back at my anvil tomorrow so I might go missing for a day or two. Don't worry, though. I'll be back.”
Hope your anvil falls on you.
“Agreed, but how can John McCain accomplish this with the likes of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the legislature?”
Pay Attention for once, FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME: If McCain is commander in chief the only choice they will have in order to keep their promises to their far left wing nut cakes to withdraw funding. THAT WILL REALLY END THEIR CAREERS. How many fricking times can I say that? Their only choice will be to disappoint the hell out of their constituency and they are running out of excuses with them OR TAKE A VERY PUBLIC AND MESSY STANCE TO DE-FUND THE WAR. Either way they will lose big. They lose if they force a surrender, they will lose to their constituency if they do not force a surrender. Can't you see that?
If Obama makes the decision for them they are heroes for standing up to Bush all this time. He might even be able to pull it off. How would that look? 'Reid/Pelosi/Obama successfully ended the war that bush lied to get us in to.' You would have them in power for decades, you IDIOT.
“You wanna 'splain to me what that might be?”
No, you are a colossal waste of time. It is like explaining things to a 2 year old. You are just going to need it explained again.
“Oh, ye of little faith.”
I think your 'plan' is beyond stupid. The country cannot survive if half of the people are trying to tear it down at any given time. It is reprehensible of you to even think that way and incredibly childish to be throwing this temper tantrum until you see whomever jump through whatever hoop you want them to jump through. I would rather see him lose your vote then compromise his vision to appease your nutty vision of how things should be.
“Reality is a harsh mistress.”
How the hell would you know?
Pay Attention for once, FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME: If McCain is commander in chief the only choice they will have in order to keep their promises to their far left wing nut cakes to withdraw funding. THAT WILL REALLY END THEIR CAREERS. How many fricking times can I say that? Their only choice will be to disappoint the hell out of their constituency and they are running out of excuses with them OR TAKE A VERY PUBLIC AND MESSY STANCE TO DE-FUND THE WAR. Either way they will lose big. They lose if they force a surrender, they will lose to their constituency if they do not force a surrender. Can't you see that?
If Obama makes the decision for them they are heroes for standing up to Bush all this time. He might even be able to pull it off. How would that look? 'Reid/Pelosi/Obama successfully ended the war that bush lied to get us in to.' You would have them in power for decades, (No matter what they screwed up) you IDIOT.
Ed Lasky
Brig. General Qassem Soleimani, commander of the Quds Force of the terror group the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is biding his time, afraid to stoke terror while President Bush is in his waning days in the Oval Office. Instead, says Washington Post columnist David Ignatius who interviewed him, he 'prefers to run out the clock on the Bush Administration, hoping the next administration will be more favorable to Iran's interest.'
RE:'Pay Attention for once, FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME: If McCain is commander in chief the only choice they will have in order to keep their promises to their far left wing nut cakes to withdraw funding. THAT WILL REALLY END THEIR CAREERS. How many fricking times can I say that? Their only choice will be to disappoint the hell out of their constituency and they are running out of excuses with them OR TAKE A VERY PUBLIC AND MESSY STANCE TO DE-FUND THE WAR. Either way they will lose big. They lose if they force a surrender, they will lose to their constituency if they do not force a surrender. Can't you see that?'
This is only the second time that you have posted this argument. It's flawed, but it is the best argument you have made thus far. They can afford to disappoint the noisy end of their spectrum, the numbers on that end are not that large. Worse, Obama will NOT be able to simply withdraw from Iraq as quickly as he would like. He will have to listen to the Joint Chiefs, the Saudis and guys like Joe Lieberman. He has set himself up for a major hit over this.
RE:'If Obama makes the decision for them they are heroes for standing up to Bush all this time. He might even be able to pull it off. How would that look? 'Reid/Pelosi/Obama successfully ended the war that bush lied to get us in to.' You would have them in power for decades, (No matter what they screwed up) you IDIOT.'
You really are naive when it comes to dealing with Democrats. Harry Reid knows that we cannot simply run away in Iraq. That's the reason I despise him so much. But he WILL use war funding as a lever to get all the other stuff he wants from a McCain Administration. We will suffer through the same misery under a McCain Administration as we would an Obama Administration and we will keep right on fighting in Afghanistan while trying to hold Iraq together. All we will do by electing John McCain is to put the Republican stamp of approval on leftist policies. That alone would be a major strategic victory for the Democrats. It will haunt the GOP for decades.
Now, I gotta go hammer on some steel while it's still hot.
Be seen' ya.
Here's a little food for thought, or fuel for the fire if you prefer, Bubba.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR200806060315 2.html
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=auwdeE7WWPuc&refer=home
//article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDllYTY5NzA2OTk2YzNhZTIyZGUwYzU5OTc4MzVhZDY =&w=MA==
//www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm
'No, I will never run for president.'
- Hillary Clinton (numerous times)
Well, at least it's over now, we can finaly get to beating Mcain and the republican party into a fine pink mist.
'This is only the second time that you have posted this argument.'
Not true and spelling everything out to you on a public forum isn't going to help matters in November.
'Worse, Obama will NOT be able to simply withdraw from Iraq as quickly as he would like. He will have to listen to the Joint Chiefs, the Saudis and guys like Joe Lieberman. He has set himself up for a major hit over this.'
He has said, dozens of times that he will do so regardless of the conditions on the ground. The Marines have been told that they might get in to a situation where they have to destroy equipment in place to facilitate withdrawal if Obama gets in.
'You really are naive when it comes to dealing with Democrats.'
YOU ARE PLANNING ON VOTING FOR THEM and you are insane enough to call someone else naive?
' Harry Reid knows that we cannot simply run away in Iraq. '
Harry Reid could not care less what happens to Iraq or America for that matter. He wants Iraq to be a fiasco so it can be a millstone to hang around Bush's neck. Harry Reid WANTS failure in Iraq and you are planning to enable him to get what he wants the only way he has left to get it.
'That's the reason I despise him so much. '
You are helping him to get everything he has ever wanted out of his career in government. Idiot.
'But he WILL use war funding as a lever to get all the other stuff he wants from a McCain Administration.'
How? It is a game of chicken that Mac would just love to play. You clearly don't know anything about him other then what has been pounded in your ears by your brown shirted, end times believing Texas AM radio.
'. We will suffer through the same misery under a McCain Administration as we would an Obama Administration'
You have yet to present any intelligent argument to that effect. Because McCain might cooperate on some issues? He is not going to cooperate on this. You think he will be helpless? Has bush been? You don't seem to understand the whole checks and balances thing from civics class, as well as the high concept that t is STUPID to vote for someone like Obama because you believe he will screw up the country so you might be able to blame him for it. I am probably the last fool on earth that is paying any attention to you what so ever.
'and we will keep right on fighting in Afghanistan while trying to hold Iraq together.'
We are winning in Iraq and we need to keep fighting in Afghanistan.
'All we will do by electing John McCain is to put the Republican stamp of approval on leftist policies'
McCain is going to be running against congress. You keep on talking about bubba and linda lou or whatever, they will know who to blame. Pelosi is in there for good but Reid can go the way of Tom Daschle but Nevada is not an entirely blue state. Will giving him more power help to get rid of him? After giving him everything he has ever asked for you are going to need dynamite to get him out.
I am now of the opinion that you are actually a hard core daily kos reading adolescent Trotskyite posing as a codger from Texas. No one could HONESTLY lose their mind this much.
'Now, I gotta go hammer on some steel while it's still hot.'
Try using a hammer instead of your head, idiot.
'Brig. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Quds Force of Iran's Revolutionary Guard..... has expressed no interest in direct, high-level talks. The Quds Force commander prefers to run out the clock on the Bush administration, hoping that the next administration will be more favorable to Iran's interests.'
Do you think he is talking about McCain?
The Quds Force had it's ass kicked in Basra by the Iraqis themselves by the way.
'Global Obamamania has been about hope, not fact.'
You know this, and you are hoping for the worst for the USA...
'Well, at least it's over now, we can finaly get to beating Mcain and the republican party into a fine pink mist.'
You couldn't beat your way out of a wet paper bag.
How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?
How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??
'Terrorfied'[sic]
Good lord.
'How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?'
Because he didn't. Kucinich doesn't have a case and they know it.
' finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??'
Because that is not what it said. The New York Sun's editorial board notes that Rockefeller deliberately manipulated data for his committee's report to support the 'Bush Lied' BS:
Mr. Rockefeller decided to exclude a handwritten note from the CIA's terrorism analyst of the Mr. Bush's 2002 speech in Cincinnati on the eve of the Congressional vote authorizing the war saying the paragraphs about Iraq and terrorism were 'all-Okay.' Wrote Senators Bond, Chambliss, Hatch, and Burr in an addendum to the report: 'Apparently the majority did not think this was something the public needed to know since they denied our request to include it and did not allow a vote on the amendment offered to fix this shortcoming.'
www.nysun.com/editorials/the-senates-intelligence/79553/?print=70751031 21
EVEN STILL:
Fred Hiatt in the Washington Post:
But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.
On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements 'were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.'
On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements 'were substantiated by intelligence information.'
On chemical weapons, then? 'Substantiated by intelligence information.'
On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.' Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? 'Generally substantiated by available intelligence.' Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.'
Hiatt also brings up Rockefeller's own inconvenient quote from October 2002:
'There has been some debate over how 'imminent' a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. . . . To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can.'
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR200806080168 7.html
Verdict: Jay Rockefeller is a hyper-partisan weasel trying to project his own lack of character on others.
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