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Try living in Somalia or Cuba if you want to know about real civil rights abuse.
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Second, what a mess! Now we are expected to believe these chuckleheads will protect classified information???
First, lets just dismiss all the lynching mob comments ... plainly stupid.
What I want to know is: So, he is the 'master mind for 9/11?' What exactly does that mean? And how is that to be interpreted? For example: If a U.S. General is the 'master mind' for a war where soldiers gun down innocent Iraqi children, then does that General go to the lynching gallows? What about a President that 'master minds' a war on people that did nothing to him, destroying their infrastructure back to the 'stone age' and starving them out on purpose. Is he subject to the 'lynching gallows' without a trial?
Clearly, cool heads are not in charge.
I would just like to ask all those calling for his death would the same rule apply to Bush and his Administration if it came out they had a hand in the 9/11 attacks. Or would American's just accept their roll in the attack. Personally I believe American's will accept it because we have for nearly 7 years already with very little talk of bringing up War Crime charges on Bush J.r .
This is in response to John who gave thanks to Martin. What do you know of Islam and ALLAH. What do you know about the religion in which you believe if you believe. PLEASE write your response I would love to talk with you regarding these issues.
'What do you know of Islam and ALLAH.'
The religion of 'allah' divides humanity in to 2 groups: The muslim deen and the dirty kuffar. According to muhammad the 'infidel' or anyone who is non muslim should be attacked and subjugated. He spelled this out in the muslim 'holy book' the Koran.
Here are some quotes from the koran:
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (Koran 98:1-8)
A Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim (Al Bukhari Vol 9:50)
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued. (Surat At-Taubah 9:29)
Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat. (Koran 69:30-37)
Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed... fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme' (Sura 2:91-93).
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.' [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. 3.116
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued.
Surat At-Taubah 9:29
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. (Koran 2: 98)
Allah plots against unbelievers. (The Morning Star: 15)
Allah has cursed them (the Jews) on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe. (Koran 2:88)
There is disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers. (Koran 2:90)
Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130)
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan (Satan). Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4:101] ...surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
[4:102] ...surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves
[4.92] Anyone who kills a believer intentionally will have his reward in hell, to remain there. God will be angry with him and curse him, and prepare awful torment for him. (Only applies to believers)
[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard [make war] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
That is only a small portion because I do not want to repeat myself here... I could fill pages with the intolerance and incentives to commit violence in the koran towards non muslims.
Yeah, yeah. We already know: Those that do not believe in jesus go to hell, those that do not believe in allah go to hell. Same difference.
The interpretation is all up to the reader, for example: The most grievous of your quotes:
'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.'
First off, any realistic reader would just ignore those ramblings of an idiot. Or maybe interpret it as a non-believer's soul will be snuffed out and never get to heaven (or whatever) thus they are effectively a cadaver already. i.e.: The non-believer killed themselves (their soul) by converting.
There are as many ways to interpret the koran as there are the bible. Quoting from either sources makes no sense whatsoever.
It's one thing to read and write, though with no understanding of what was read or written seems to be your problem or your reading with bias in which you will always be prone to error. Read what you wrote and tell me the difference between what you read and GOD treatment towards the unbeliever. Islam is acknowlegdement of one GOD and one alone, none other, or equal. Muslim is a child of GOD who is willing to submit to the will of GOD and only GOD will. A Christian, Catholic, Baptist etc, GOD is the one and same they just call the higher power ALLAH. Islam is not named after a tribe of people or an individual, as Judaism is named after Judah, Christianity after Christ and Buddhism after the Buddha. Islam is a way of life in submission to GOD. ALLAH is an Arabic word meaning 'The One and Only True GOD,' Arabic Jews and Christians call GOD by the name ALLAH.
Please keep your posts short and simple so republicans can read them.
All of that and a page full of what.
' Those that do not believe in jesus[sic] go to hell, those that do not believe in allah go to hell. Same difference.'
Well, no... Jesus never told his followers to go out and subjugate the rest of humanity, mohammad did.
'The interpretation is all up to the reader, for example: The most grievous of your quotes:
'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.''
There really isn't a whole lot to interpret there.
'First off, any realistic reader would just ignore those ramblings of an idiot. '
So mohammad was a rambling idiot? You see, muslims don't have any room for 'interpretation'. The words of the koran are supposedly the words of allah himself, mohammad was only the scribe. Muslims take it quite literally, as they were instructed to.
'There are as many ways to interpret the koran as there are the bible[sic].'
Well, no. Not according to the koran. To ignore what is written there is supposedly to ignore the word of God, which makes you an apostate of a kuffar. That makes it OK to saw your head off.
In your case I wouldn't worry though, you don't use your head anyway.
Ironic, The evidence that frees this person, convicts Bush et al. Talk about censored..... The first piece of evidence will need to be that there were actually airplanes that hit buildings and other stuff that terrible day. Then you will need to prove that there were actually friends of his on the planes, even tougher. Then you might need to find out how building WTC7 managed to fall down when there was little damage and no plane even touched it. If you manage to get that far, you can explain how NIST can not even produce a reasonable explanation as to what happened to cause any of the building to fall.
The so-called trial is a struggle between the Bush regime and a soon to be fall guy. If the truth ever comes out, who knows, they could be cell mates.
'It's one thing to read and write, though with no understanding of what was read or written...'
What is there to misunderstand?
Koran [9.29] 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.'
This scripture can only be interpreted as a condemnation and call to arms against not only those of all competing religious beliefs, but those who have been given the book [other Muslim’s] who do not follow Allah’s commandments as delivered by Mohammed.
Koran [9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
These words can not be interpreted even in the most liberal terms, to be a call to peace and coexistence with non-believers, non-Muslims.
Koran [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Not a whole lot to confuse there...
'Islam is acknowlegdement of one GOD and one alone, none other, or equal. Muslim is a child of GOD who is willing to submit to the will of GOD and only GOD will.'
So the will of your god, according to to his 'prophet' is to kill or subjugate me. Therefore it is OK to slaughter in the name of God.. Yeah, we see it every day.
'A Christian, Catholic, Baptist etc, GOD is the one and same they just call the higher power ALLAH.'
It's all a nice little fairy tale but the problem with it is that it is used as an excuse to slaughter people. I will not submit to islam nor will I be subjugated and pay any 'keeping my head' tax. By the way, what about Buddhists, Hindu and atheists? You know, people who are 'not of the book'?
'ALLAH is an Arabic word meaning 'The One and Only True GOD,' Arabic Jews and Christians call GOD by the name ALLAH. '
Considering the oppression they live under in the middle east...
The Most High Creator of all Above and Blow. Please try to understand within everthing you have saints and sinners. For all men have sinned before the eyes of GOD. Your being bias toward a people for self defense. ALLAH/GOD which ever you prefer, only ask for the man,woman and child to be of his righteousness/likeness. Religion is man control substance, Righteousness is the true nature of a GOD fearing individual. Their were numerous Prophets and Messengers of the Most High. If your Christian your speaking with a luke warm heart.
' Your being bias toward a people for self defense'
Since when is flying aircraft full of people into buildings full of people 'self defense'?
Since when is filling school gyms full of children and setting off bombs to murder them self defense? Blowing up night clubs or airliners or markets or cutting peoples heads off and posting the video on the internet 'self defense'?
There have been islamist attacks in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives...
All 'self defense'? 11,202 acts of deadly self defense since 9/11/01?
'Their were numerous Prophets and Messengers of the Most High. '
I can think of only one who advocated violence toward people who didn't believe what he was telling them. That was mohammad.
Amazing, what could the U.S. Goverment want kept secret from the American people?
how can the U.S. trust a terrorist to keep secrets?? This entire situation is like a comedy of errors, and I'm afraid it's going to get much worse - something akin to the 'Three Stooges'!
Seriously? If you think it's bad here, go somewhere else. I've been to Afghanistan as part of OEF and let me tell you the US is by far the greatest country to live in. Do you think that if you lived anywhere else in the world you would be able to get away with the anti-government comments that some of you have put on here? No, you wouldn't. Here's an idea, why don't some of you that so loosely exploit your freedom of speech man up and salute the flag that gives you that right.
Why not just kill him, then he can't tell anybody. Hell, that's the way good crime organizations do it. Lord knows the US is teetering on that kind of title. They're like the big jail house dude in the new Nuttcups video on Digitalfuntown.com. Violent and angry without any explanation. Take a look if you don't believe me.
Martin, you say and eye for and tooth for a tooth.
First the disclaimer, In no way am I condoning what these folks have done.
Anyhow, did you know that is why these terrorist are terrorists. This is what they believe too. Unfortuantely they are hurting innocent people because of US foreign policy.
Did you ever wonder why its bad to be a Dictator in Iraq but perfectly ok to be a King in Saudi Arabia.
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