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illegal warMay 14th, 2008 - 15:37:05



''...WHAT international law was broken? Where is the text of it? Who passed this law? What body? Who granted them this power? Which nation?''

chasing your tail

Your questions are those of a simpleton because you are trying to over simplify the issue; I really didn't think you were that shallow. You have a computer right in front of you. Like I said sp4, look it up.




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Well....... ?May 14th, 2008 - 15:47:51

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Your questions are those of a simpleton because you are trying to over simplify the issue; I really didn't think you were that shallow. '

If they are so 'simple' and 'shallow' then a genius like you can answer them... right? Well the question has been posed to you a dozen times here and you have yet to give an answer.

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Love it when you confirm the worst about yourself.May 14th, 2008 - 16:00:22

'That's no way to talk about yourself.'

Yes, the well used rubber/glue defense. Your 3rd grade playground mentality on display again. Aren't you embarrassed at this point? Do you have the capacity to be embarrassed?

'But keep it up, child. Vent. Rant. Get it out of your system. But It would do you a lot more good if you went and saw a therapist. Puking your garbage out on the web, where everyone can see exactly what a fool you are, is no way to get better.'

That is what is called 'psychological projection' folks. This stalking jobless shut-in can't get the upper hand in an argument so she is reduced to lame playground insults, recycled rants and going online to find dirt on the people who have helped her to embarrass herself in an effort to shut them up.

With every post that toss out, full of crazy 'I know you are but what am I' infantile ranting where you can not find a reasoned counterargument, you just confirm your status as an obtuse nut case.

Have at it, lets hear your devastating response that is the exact same thing as all your other non responses. Dance monkey dance!

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You just wantMay 14th, 2008 - 16:02:56

to have a pissing contest. There is no way you've posed any question to me a dozen times. You sound like a little kid begging; that breaks my heart.

Clues:

Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon Office at the heart of the latest Israeli spy scandal.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

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He's finallyMay 14th, 2008 - 16:13:32

done something humane.

''For the first time, Bush revealed a personal way in which he has tried to acknowledge the sacrifice of soldiers and their families: He has given up golf''.

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@Love it ...May 14th, 2008 - 16:30:50

I see the EssPee clone is still trying to live up to his hero's reputation and is still spewing his ignorance and childishness all over the web. Not an entertaining chap at all. Bland, boring, boorish is more like it. So much for all men being created equal. You were short-changed in the brain department.

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You are wrong. :-DMay 14th, 2008 - 16:54:11

'You just want...to have a pissing contest. '

Well, if rubbing your nose in the fact that you just mindlessly parrot other peoples falsehoods without bothering to think about it for a moment is somehow a 'pissing contest' so be it. You have simply adopted someone else's catch phrase with out bothering to understand it. That make you a bandwagon hopping lemming idiot. (Obamas key constituency)


'Clues:'

How coy. So you don't have an argument, just 'clues' to what it might be?

'Below is the Congressional authorization for force '

That is the beginning and end of the legality of Iraq or anywhere else: Congress authorized it.

Here, the Constitution, the law:

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'The Congress shall have power...To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;'

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'However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction,'

Gee, I read it several times... couldn't find the 'Bush was required to prove to the Congress' anything... part.... Guess you just made that up. Saddam WAS in violation of UN resolutions by the way. Nice try.

What it says is that: [the presidents] determination that... reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone.. will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or'(Notice that it is 'or' not 'and'.) was adequate in light of the evidence presented by the congress in the text of the resolution to declare war.

'and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. '

Gee, I just read it several times... I looked through the whole thing as a matter of fact. it is here:

www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

It doesn't say that the president had to 'prove' that or anything else to congress or that 'Iraq was behind 9-11' at all. Guess you are seeing what you want to see.

It said 'Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;'

Which happens to be true, al-Zarqawi was in Iraq.

It doesn't say the things you wish it said. Sorry, you are WRONG. It isn't even in dispute by the people who voted for it. Only in the Trotskyite echo chambers that you inhabit, where truth or facts don't matter.

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:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 17:01:38

From:

'With every post that toss out, full of crazy 'I know you are but what am I' infantile ranting where you can not find a reasoned counterargument, you just confirm your status as an obtuse nut case.

Have at it, lets hear your devastating response that is the exact same thing as all your other non responses. Dance monkey dance! '

To:

'Not an entertaining chap at all. Bland, boring, boorish is more like it'


Well done! A non rebuttal with a phony, vaguely 1950's British flair to it for extra nuttyness. You just can't help yourself, can you?

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It's clearMay 14th, 2008 - 17:10:35

you are for the illegal war sp4. You missed your calling, you would be a great press secretary for your master in chief.

''It doesn't say that the president had to 'prove' that or anything else to congress or that 'Iraq was behind 9-11' at all.''

you're right sp4, it doesn't say that. It says;

''...make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--etc.''

He had not determined either of the conditions put forth by the resolution; other than lying and guessing of course.

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:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 17:47:22

'you are for the illegal war sp4'

1) I am not sp4.

2) Congress voted for it = legal.

'He had not determined either of the conditions put forth by the resolution;'

Well, obviously he did because he gave congress his determination that Saddam still posed a threat.

So... You are WRONG.

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illegal war sp4May 14th, 2008 - 18:29:48

'He had not determined either of the conditions put forth by the resolution;'

''Well, obviously he did because he gave congress his determination that Saddam still posed a threat.''

Obviously he didn't. Again, lies and guessing and everybody bought into it; sadly, including me and I regret it. All Bush had to offer were words of mass deception. Bush, to me is one big unnatural disaster and he's a sick sick man.

Good day.

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:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 20:26:58

'Obviously he didn't'

Oh well, I guess we are not at war in Iraq then you rocket scientist.

'Again, lies and guessing and everybody bought into it; sadly, including me and I regret it. '

Whelp, you would think you would have learned your lesson and stopped dealing in 'lies' then...

'Bush, to me is one big unnatural disaster and he's a sick sick man.'

So that makes the war 'illegal' somehow.... Nope, no it does not.

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It appearsMay 14th, 2008 - 20:58:58

That this cretin: ':-D'
is nothing more than an EssPee clone. The same nonsensical drivel drools out of his mouth. He absolutely refuses to see the fallacy of his position. He absolutely refuses to see reality. All this nut bar does is attack people who have a valid point. He does not know the proper way to discuss a topice without diving back into the rabid attack mode so common to the republican'ts. Do not try to have an intelligent discussion with him, for he needs to get intelligent first. Until that happens, it is an exercise in futility, a waste of time. This cretin gets off on being an obtuse ass, just like EssPee.

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JennaMay 14th, 2008 - 22:25:42

This was all about my wedding you imbeciles. You all act like crack heads!

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:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 23:26:03

'This was all about my wedding you imbeciles. You all act like crack heads!'

Sorry Jen, look me up after the divorce. ;-D

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:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 23:33:50

' The same nonsensical drivel drools out of his mouth. He absolutely refuses to see the fallacy of his position. '

Maybe because you are too stupid to point out that 'fallacy'.

'He absolutely refuses to see reality.'

I posted the text of the resolution concerned and the passage of the Constitution. Where have I gone wrong? point it out. Oh that's right, you are too stupid to do so.

'All this nut bar does is attack people who have a valid point. '

If you had a valid point I wish you would make it. Where is this 'valid point' you wish to make? Anytime... You can't? What's the matter? Too stupid?

'. Do not try to have an intelligent discussion with him'

Why start now? You haven't yet. Idiot.

', for he needs to get intelligent first.'

Well, if you are so bright why are you incapable of proving me wrong? Guess that means you are stupid.

'Until that happens, it is an exercise in futility, a waste of time.'

Right then, get on with shutting up if you are too stupid to provide some kind of counterargument. See, everyone is happy then.



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About thisMay 15th, 2008 - 00:20:19

:-DMay 14th, 2008 - 23:26:03
'This was all about my wedding you imbeciles. You all act like crack heads!'
Sorry Jen, look me up after the divorce. ;-D

Like I said, nothing but crap dribbles from his mouth. The EssPee clone think's he's a commedian, too. What a fricking loser. Do the loser dance, moron. Dance, monkey. dance.

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Sucks to be you. :-DMay 15th, 2008 - 01:40:05

'What a fricking loser.'

Still not a rebuttal.... Surprise, surprise...


'Do the loser dance, moron. Dance, monkey. dance.'

Do the 'repeat everything the other guy says' post... How inventive and, as usual, how smart.

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Sucks to be you, :-DMay 15th, 2008 - 01:58:01

yup, it really must suck something fierce, being a web troll like yourself. Does your mommy know what you're doing in her basement? Did you even have a mommy, or did you slither out of EssPee's orifice? Most likely the latter. It's time to flush this thread.

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Wonder what you will mindlessly repeat this time?May 15th, 2008 - 02:28:00

'Sucks to be you, :-D

yup, it really must suck something fierce, being a web troll like yourself. '

Again with the 'Im rubber you are glue'... That never gets old for you does it? Well, it is yet another mark of a pure moron. But I have said that before and it hasn't seemed to dissuade you from mindlessly repeating everything back to me like you were a parrot.

Polly want a cracker?


'. Does your mommy know what you're doing in her basement? '

And I have thrown the fact that you are a wanker living in your mommy's basement in your face before and surprise, surprise... you repeat it right back.

' It's time to flush this thread.'

Guess you couldn't come up with an intelligent reply or a reasoned counterargument... again. Time to flush you.

:-D

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