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wonder why sp4 didn't jump on this before anyone else?
...the older man waits...news now says Obama is 10 points ahead...God, you really have to appreciate the Internet...
'...the older man waits...'
True, but the mentally challenged, like sp4, take a long time too. Their mommy has to dress them first.
my question about who the resident experts would deem the best candidates to make over the White House apparently fell on deaf ears, but there is certainly a lot of bashing of most of the candidates. Surely one of the experts can put two brain cells together and come up with a reasonably honest answer?
RE:'my question about who the resident experts would deem the best candidates to make over the White House apparently fell on deaf ears, but there is certainly a lot of bashing of most of the candidates. Surely one of the experts can put two brain cells together and come up with a reasonably honest answer?'
Which experts resident where? Here? I think all you can expect of anyone on this forum is an opinion, nothing more. Personally, I don't think any of the candidates in either party look very promising. I think that this why there are so many of them this time around.
Hillary is basically a proxy for Bill Clinton now seeking an unconstitutional third term.
John Edwards is a trial lawyer and would, if allowed to run amok as he is wont to do, destroy nearly every employer in the US.
Barak Obama is bright and articulate, but he lacks some vital experience. Even so, he seems to be the pick of the litter. I tend to think that he will moderate some of his stances once elected. He may will win the entire thing. Most of us Americans are positively sick of if not afraid of what has been going on Washington, DC and Mister Obama does seem to offer an opportunity for massive change.
My personal pick on the Republican side would be Fred Thompson, but he does NOT appear to have the drive to hold down the job. We'll have to wait and see.
What you have, outside of a John McCain, or Fred Thompson is a bunch of pretty lazy, inexperienced candidates. The Governors are the only real one's with any executive experience to count, and as Ross perot once said, that is about the same as running a mid-sized corporation. (pre-Enron, for sure!).
All the experitse is on the republican side i.e exec experience, time in government, etc. This is why we're about to get an inexperienced President.
This is pretty much what you could say about Bush.
How is that turning out, so far?
I'll bet I get a reply on this one, huh?
I was just curious as to what you 'regular' contributors to this site had to say positive about any of the candidates, otherwise it seems like no one has much good to say about any of them, and, of course, we can't re-elect SP4's favorite brother! Can any of the candidates - at least the ones who will eventualy be in the top few - be worse than Georgie? And is on-the-job training such a bad thing rather than to bring in old, tired ideas that aren't working??? Like I said - just wondering.........
Re:'I was just curious as to what you 'regular' contributors to this site had to say positive about any of the candidates, otherwise it seems like no one has much good to say about any of them, and, of course, we can't re-elect SP4's favorite brother!'
The reason you don't hear much good being said about them is that there isn't really all that much good to say about them--no offense intended, but it really is that way.
RE:'Can any of the candidates - at least the ones who will eventually be in the top few - be worse than Georgie?'
Oh, certainly! Being worse is easily done.
RE:'And is on-the-job training such a bad thing rather than to bring in old, tired ideas that aren't working??? Like I said - just wondering.........'
OJT is not necessarily bad, but we are talking about one of the most powerful countries on Earth here. Would you hand over the helm of a supertanker to a yachtsman? And, it is not necessarily the 'same old ideas' that is the problem here. The real problem is that neither party will compromise with the other. They spend entirely too much time damaging each other's programs so that they will have an excuse to stand in front of the TV cameras and weep about how bad the 'other side' is. The truth is that both sides need a sound spanking.
Here is what may well happen. We may well end up with Barak Obama as President, but with a GOP led Senate and Congress. We Americans have a habit of doing that kind of thing. We seldom completely trust either political party and like to keep them on about even ground.
...Edwards sure is cute...
I guess it's what you look for. I want another Reagan. Not having one offered up, Thompson comes closest. Giuliani and McCain are next. These are the guys with most of the experience.
I think we're not going to get experience, just like last time.
It is astounding that noawareness and sp4 both don't claim being experts. Finally some truth out of them. The reason you don't hear anything postive from these two resident buffoons is because they are very negative people. They are only good for bashing people who do have ideas. They have nothing good to say about anything except themselves. But what else could be expected from a couple of programmed, non-thinking neocons. sp4 must have gotten his medication and noawareness must have stopped drinking that expensive imported Scotch and sobered up.
Perhaps you are right about me, I cannot speak for NoHarr, but his text is pretty concise, accurate and his opinions are well considered.
I accept that young people are idealistic. I also think new ideas are good...just as soon as someone offers us some. Our problem is we see guys like this and then remember the last chucklehead who used the line on us. Honestly, it IS, to some degree, prejudiced, but bear in mind, we see them just running the old playbook and calling it new. Obama is pulling the old Jimmy Carter play, and it can work for him: talk reform, truth justice and the american way, and follow Bill Clintons advice of staying on message, then get your private payroll to trash your opponents.
Obama is laudable for his restraint in slamming Hillary, but he is still demonizing the right, not really what a new guy full of 'ideas' needs to convince anyone. His coal liquification thing is interesting, and guys like me think it's neat, but your garden variety eco-nut is going to crap his pants over it. Other than his voting against the war, what does he supposedly bring to the table. Youth? Great! How does that benefit us?
No, they call me a conservative for a reason. Less of the government I distrust is better. To get that, you vote conservative. If you want to contribute, contribute something like Noharr, something meaningful.
I certainly agree that neither party is especially good at working with the other, and as far as Noharness' description of inexperience - we have definitely had that in Bush - more like turning over a cruise ship to someone who played with sailboats in his bathtub!! Will Obama keep on steamrolling through, or will there be a complete turnaround in the end?
At least we can thank people's dissatisfaction with Bush for the more generated interest in this election - he should be proud!
'No, they call me a conservative for a reason.'
Wrong, still. People call him a waste of space and skin for many reasons.
if Obama was a Republican, SP4 would be all over him!! Partisan to the end!
...after all, everyone knows how LITTLE I expect out of a candidate right? On that basis, Obama is just terrific!
Real cute, SP4! The American public is searching for someone they can look up to again - someone who can speak in public without reading every word, then misreading it. They want someone they can trust, someone who isn't hell bent on pushing the U.S.'s weight around all over the globe without a second thought or plan for that matter. I could go on and on, and, hopefully, that person will be the one elected this fall, or at least the candidate who best matches some of the important features needed for the Presidency. No one is going to be perfect, but we don't need another total failure! Talk is extremely cheap, and only time in office will tell the complete story..........then - on to the next election in 4 years! And......in my humble opinion, McCain is too old, and Edwards ISN'T cute!! And, further, Huckebee is going down with his 'preacher' status!
RE:' Will Obama keep on steamrolling through, or will there be a complete turnaround in the end?'
I suspect he is become a steamroller--at least through the primaries. After that it becomes a little more dicey. The general elections tend to be a good deal more grueling and the gloves come off on both sides. There is also the Bloomburg Wildcard. If Bloomburg runs, he will definitely take votes away from the Democrat candidate. He is out campaigning for 'bi-partisanship' at the moment and I agree with him that this is indeed what we need at the moment, but is Mayor Bloomburg willing to drop some of things that are dear to him--such as gun control? It's never simple.
RE:'At least we can thank people's dissatisfaction with Bush for the more generated interest in this election - he should be proud!'
I wish that things had gone better for the Bushbaby. I did not like the way he governed Texas and I never voted for him when he was running for the Whitehouse. I voted Libertarian the first time he ran and simply did not vote the second time he ran. But if things had gone better for him, the United States would be suffering far less grief right now.
His intentions were to be a 'domestic' President. Al Qaeda took that option away from him and he was by no means ready for that kind of challenge. Even worse, he was surrounded by the wrong kind of men, save possibly Colin Powell. It's all moot now and in some ways I feel sorry for him, but I feel a heck of a lot worse for my country. We have along rough road ahead of us. Who ever gets elected this time is going to have his or her hands full from election day forward.
My sentiments exactly!
LOL!
Gee, I think Edwards is cute. Hell, look at Thompson!
Who says I never say anything positive?!
You want someone to bring bipartisanship and trust back to the White House?
Vote for McCain.
He has ramrodded some of the most bi-partisan legislation in the last decade, including McCain/Feigold, a campaign reform bill.
He has chased the military contractors to their deaths. He smashed the Boeing 767 Refueling Lease Program, and got it to be re-bis, bringing Airbus into the competiton.
His voting record on the Iraq war is clear for everyone to see. I would love to see him remind Hillary that, on this issue, they are in agreement, if you just check the votes.
He has a stellar military combat record. He has worked tirelessly in government and 71, boy, is the new 60.
John McCain is not my favorite, but no one on either side deserves the job more - NOT ONE OF THEM. Now, if that really matters to you, like you said, go consider that. If experience, credibility and honesty really count, Obama and Edwards would be lucky just to work for this guy.
Bush wanted to be a 'domestic( president ?Oh boy Noharness,you must have lost some marbles in the game.Behing Bush there have always been the neocons,their message was never domestic.consider the fact that CHeney holds more power in reality than Bush,who left for years all decisions in the hands of a small cabale .Read the interview from Larry Wilkerson with the BBC and learn to appriciate your own honest republicans,the few of them that realy exist:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/7174868.stm
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