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By Frank Fuhrig May 2, 2007, 14:14 GMT
Bush veto brings out fringes, from the left and right
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How the tide has turned. Now it is G.W. who is flip-flopping. First he was for the war and supporting our troops, now he is vetoing funding for the war. Typical....
Most Americans that side with Bush and his administration do not want to show a charecter of defeatism. They live in fear and have been assurred through political rhetoric that if we defeat them over there they won't be able to follow us back here to America, or if we cut and run they will follow us here. These individuals also follow the reasoning that since 911 and our invasion of Iraq there have been no more incidents in the USA, I beg to defer. All of the anti-american groups currently fighting us in Iraq welcome the fact that we are there on their turf in their environment killing our young sons and daughters one by one, day by day without having to travel, plot, and scehdule our demise in the USA. It's what hey do best, and we allow it to go on through politics. Over 3,000 lives pledged to protect American citizens any where in the World, but who protects them? It's not a bad thing to lose if you've put your best effort forward and learned from your failure. We made a mistake, a terrible mistake and unleased a cultural, religious divide kept in check by a dictator no different than the dictators around the world who rule by fear and extemination. We did have other motives that the common American is unaware of, simply because International politics is not their forte'. We all suffer in the end because we are a Great Nation, we have a giant ego. Because we are Rebulicans or Democrates we must save face, because we were once active soldiers we remain warriors to the end, how unfortuante that we remain blind.
I think this really shows what Bush really wants to do.... Finish what his daddy started.
If Bush tells his wife and kids to go fight for his victory in Iraq then whatever he's doing makes sense.
Hello out there is anyone really paying attention. This 'war on terror' is a lie, it started as a lie and is still a lie. This president is a disgrace. If anyone thinks he's doing a fine job, then you are a absolute idiot. You have no clue what's going. This war is all about profits and the neo-con agenda. There were no WMD's then they said we were spreading freedom and democracy. Only if they elect pro western leaders that we like. We also interfered with other counrties democracies if they elect leaders we don't like.
The 'resonance' of the protest movement is that this war went from having massive support to basically none.
It has been the dogged activists and leaders, like Mary Lou Greenberg, who have refused to be bullied into passivity or mocked into silence.
On February 15, 2003, in NYC where I live, over 500,000 protested this war before it began. Police attacked the crowd, the mayor refused to give permits. But still the overflow crowds made it clear that Ground Zero didn't support their war.
Now, we see who was lying and who refused to be suckers.
It takes some nerve to make fun of the people who came out to protest. 70% are against this war here, the majority of Iraqis support attacks on US occupation forces. But to the conservative/liberal media, we supposedly don't understand what's going on...
I think we do.
This war is about empire and we reject it. It's a losing war, and that loss is going to reconfigure American politics for a generation.
Thank you Mary Lou and every brave person who is ending this war even if the Democrats refuse to listen to the electorate.
I mean, how can you 'spread democracy' (with cluster bombs and puppet governments) when you refuse to practice it?
Bob... with you 100%; but why is more than half the nation blind to this fact? Oh, that's right they weren't yet bush still got to power... what happened to democracy?
SHD-UK, even his daddy realized that it's not worth it. But the 'moron on the hill' finds this too complicated to understand, therefore he listens to the mouthpiece of the petrol lobby - Dick the Hunter.
This war is being fought for and on behalf of Israel, let no one fool you otherwise; The U.S and UK troops will only come home when the Jewish and Israeli lobby decides so.
Impeach Dick Cheney!!!
THIS MAN HAS NO BUSINESS BEING A PRESIDENT AND HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY.
I AM A VIET-NAM VETERAN, HE IS A DRAFT DODGING YELLOW BELLY WHO HASN'T GOT A CLUE OF WHAT WAR IS ABOUT AND NOTHING TO PERSONALLY LOSE IN IRAQ. WE HAVE LOST FAR TOO MANY MEN AND WOMAN IN IRAQ NOT TO MENTION THE REPULSIVE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS WAR.
HE SAYS ' MISSION ACCOMPLISHED'. WHAT MISSION ? ,WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENT ?. WE ARE NO CLOSER TO WINNING THIS THAN WE WERE SIX YEARS AGO. ITS TIME TO GET OUT AND CONCENTRATE ON OUR OWN PROBLEMS STATESIDE, SOMTHING HE HAS BEEN A MISERABLE FAILURE AT. ISSUES SUCH AS HEALTH CARE, CARING FOR OUR OUR AGED PEOPLE, DOING SOMETHING ABOUT OIL PRICES ETC. ETC. ARE ALL THE THINGS HE HAS IGNORED.
OUR LEADERS TOLD US THAT IF WE DIDN'T STOP COMMUNISM FROM ENTERING SAIGON, COMMUNISM WOULD BE IN CALIFORNIA THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO. WE LEFT VIET-NAM COMMUNISM INFILTRATED SAIGON AND WENT NO FURTHER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, COMMUNISM IS DEAD. OUR PRESENCE IN IRAQ IS FUELING AN ETERNAL FIRE. LETS GET OUT AND DE-FUSE THE SITUATION. LET THE IRAQIS DO WHATEVER THEY CARE TO DO WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT. LETS IMPEACH THIS MISERABLE FAILURE OF A PRESIDENT AND GET ON WITH OUR LIVES GETTING THE U.S.A.BACK ON TRACK AGAIN.
Bush has violated the US Constitution, Statute law, and international treaty - the Geneva Convention on torture, for one. A former attorney general of the US in promoting impeachment, is most certainly not a 'fringe group.' Neither should Americans who know the law be characterized as such by the writer and publisher of this article.
His Vice-President and higher-level appointees of his administration are culpable in defrauding the American people through manipulating and changing text in documents concerning Department of Interior issues, and scientific findings, in order to benefit certain corporations.
This crook and his cronies should have been impeached and tried years past. Partisan politics have prevented sound ethical judgment on the part of nearly every member of Congress.
Please do not write ignorant commentary, but instead, study the actions, pertinent laws and Articles of the US Constitution.
Dear Bob,
While I was not at the rally I do support those individuals who support the Presidents position on the war in Iraq. First of all I am not a 'right wing pro-war' member of any group. As a veteran and the father of two sons who fought in Iraq I can honestly claim the right to speak.
I agree on your assesment that this war is being extended for the profit of the military-industrial complex that Dwight Eisenhower our 34th President warned us about. I do not agree on the fact that terrorism is not a problem and can't be defeated. Just because it may always be with us does not mean we lay down our arms and give up. It can be by fighting a war the way it should be fought. Someone once said 'War is Hell'. I say that to win a war you make the opponents hell far worse than your own and you will win.
No one hates war more than the soldier but to win you must have the population and the opposing army to the point that they lose their resolve to resist or that they die. Either way the results are the same....Peace!
By the way neither myself or my sons murdered children or anyone else during our terms of service. By the way....were you even there?
I think when 70% of Americans want an end to this debacle in Iraq, it is fascistic media propaganda to call the American people fringe right and left.
pResident bush, by his veto, has shown that he does not support the troops. We now know that this war was for oil (since the 'war on terror' is a hoax, based on bush-cheney's 911 conspiracy).
We know what the neocons and their republican chicken-hawk supporters stand for: big business and greed. By not supporting the troops they have shown that they are not patriotic and not for freedom at all. Freedom is free unless you are a republican, then it costs lots of un-ending wars.
I recommend finding an emergency MoveOn protest today, most are at 5 or 5:30 PM, and GO. If your senator is one of the republicans, demand they vote to over-ride the veto of support for our troops.
if you support this, shut your mouth. your military is falling apart. people are tired for multiple tours of duty. they need human bodies to maintain this so do your duty as a supporter of this war, and sign up and support your country, show the military your support and join them. if you are not able to do this, sign up your child, or another family member.
if you are unwilling to support bush's war in this way, then please climb back under your rock and shut up. and allow us to support the troops the best way possible. in the arms of their families, safe at home, bring them back now.
Frist it was the fear of WMD that justified this war. Then it was the fear of civil war in the region. Now it is the fear that 'they will follow us home if we leave now.' This administration is stuggling to justify a huge mistake. As governments have often done in history, this one is using fear as the largest element of every justificaiton. I am just sorry that so many in our country choose to live in fear. I do not make that choice. Instead, let's live in hope, confidence, and faith in the values that founded this nation.
i was brn in america 1944 .now retired .
for some reason and i know what it is i hate the u.s.a and wish i had some place to go .the lucky ones are the friends and family who died before bush and 9-11
This 'dangerous world' as you describe it, has gotten far more dangerous as a direct result of Presidunce Bush's absent-minded policies.
He squandered the greatest opportunity presented to the U.S. since WWII in the aftermath of 9/11. Instead of improving America, enhancing our energy independence, and providing security by marginalizing our enemies, he took the ignorant cowboy route.
It wasn't 'head them off at the pass,' it was 'chase them into the hills, where we'll never find them.' When the only thing your enemy has to sell is oil, is it smarter to engage in a war that consumes copious amounts of the enemy's product? Or is it smarter to spend that money on making oil a product of the past.
With reduced need for oil, our adversaries in the Middle East would rapidly discover that their patronage was waning, and would over time, start changing their tune. Remember also, that prices reflect who is eager to buy and who is eager to sell.
Finally, by marginalizing oil, we balance the relationship we have with these nations, and in doing so, as Lincoln said, 'the best way to destroy an enemy is to make him your friend.'
The world is dangerous when you make and keep enemies. Keeping enemies is a vital tool of power, as it gives the government a means of distracting the people and grasping more power. Ultimately though, it is removing enemies that conveys greater power through prestige.
Dick Cheney has been served articles of impeachment that has not been publicised in mainstream media.
If Bush were to be impeached then Dick would be president and you dont want that to happen.
Call your local newsmedia and ask if they have any news on the impeachment.The newsmedia is complicit with the Bush Gang and Americans need to get media control back for honest news reporting, even if it means a boycott of some outlets
Why do democrats, and anyone who has ever voted for one or ever will, keep pretending they don't like bombs or when people get shot and killed? Why do they keep blaming republicans for that? Pretty weird.
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