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RealConservativeJul 23rd, 2007 - 19:46:35

It's about immigrants and unwed mothers, and people who are too lazy to work or get flood insurance. How dare anyone suggest that it's about governments controlled by corporations that are only concerned with making profits. The earth is NOT a complex system, and we have NOT dramatically changed the atmosphere and water so drastically that it's about to change to a climate quite different than we evolved a fitness for. It’s ludicrous to suggest that the primitive technology of burning things for energy may have also provided the means to gain a global perspective, and we could have changed course. Changing course would have been too painful, it’s much easier to coast along until we pass the tipping point. We’re all as qualified to opine as the majority of those pinhead scientists who overwhelmingly say that we’ve destroyed the environment, and now it’s just a matter of damage control. England is a big Island. Let’s all fight the immigrants and unwed mothers for the crumbs until the floods come, and the Thames along with everything else we loved is just a memory.

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troll alert aboveJul 23rd, 2007 - 20:09:19

You need to review your little ice age history, the plague, french revolution...Warming leads to prosperity,more food, people etc ...Cold leads to ?...

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RealConservativeJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:06:46

This is not the mini ice age.
That caused famine and revolution, and it was mini and natural. This is not natural, it will not be mini. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report didn’t include water rising based on melting of the polar caps.

Society will not bounce back and take advantage of this, because society is a system that depends on the natural system known as the world. We have steadily broken that host system, but have been sheltered from observing the effects, since all of our understanding is derived within the confines of society.

Evolution will not happen – man does not evolve physically, he attempts to adapt the environment to himself – it’s faster, and less painful (than dying off until a new species is evolved).

Major global climatological cataclysm will kill off the many of best people, because intellectuals are specialists, and society has deemed to feed them, but society will break down at breathtaking speed when the climate shifts. Intellectuals are generally not the vicious self-interested types who may get through the bottleneck. Man’s only hope would be to adapt as a species – change our behavior as a group. Won’t happen. Since this is only going to affect other people, and be good for society, I assume you have decades of food and water stores, and the means to defend them? Do you live on very-high ground, and have a plan for food production?



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realnessJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:24:54

500 years is mini?...It started to rain and never let up...It is going to happen again and we can't fully explain it. The ice age will happen. Global warming leads to prosperity, food and a population explosion. Rain, snow and cold lead to what?...A worse scenario than warming. Get your jackets ready...you missed the boat.

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fool on the hillJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:40:18

Brown blames global warming for all our wet weather and many people are sceptical about this, but the rainfall we are experiancing was predicted several years ago as a consequence of global warming. Whether you believe this or not it is up to the individual, but one thing I will point out is that our new prime minister although obviously convinced that global warming exists and is begining to effect us all but fails to comprehend that mass immigration will only make things worse. The last thing you want in a world faced with an uncertain future is an overpopulated island.
There is a roumour that half the worlds oil deposits have already been used and grain prices tell us that we can no longer rely on a consistant flow of cheap food. The world has not produced enough food [grain] to meet demand for 7 out of the last 8 years and grain stocks are very low.
It is obvious that we are not immune from the effects of global warming but we are also not immune from the fact that there are 6.6 billion human beings on this planet and they are rapidly expanding at about 75 million each year.
STOP IMMIGRATION NOW and repatriate anyone who should not be here. Or suffer the consequenses.

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RealConservativeJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:54:33

Ahhh..perhaps we are on the same page and didn’t understand each other. Global Warming is causing Global Climate Change. An ice age in Europe -- a desert wasteland in Africa. The living earth has a fever, and needs to slow it’s metabolism (the Deep Ocean Conveyor Belt). Yes, 500 years is quite short in geologic time, and I think we are in for something much bigger. There has not been this much carbon in the atmosphere for MILLIONS of years. My main point is, that society will break down because we are going to have a major climate shift, and most of the assumptions that spawned and supported our society are going to change. Going back to the land won’t be an option either, because the conditions necessary for food production will be gone, and hunting will fail quickly, because large mammals will die off, or be hunted to extinction by a starving populace.

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JamesJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:55:06

I laugh at the government stating it could cost 2 billion pounds in flood damage costs. This is nothing however to the 9 billion pounds it has cost the taxpayer in overpayment, mis-management and massive fraud of the Tax Credit System.

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icemanJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:55:35

Iceland's population fell to half its previous numbers during the Little Ice Age. Numerous crop failures in Scotland and Norway are also attributed to this cooling. Before the Industrial Revolution, 'Agriculture in Europe was profoundly marginal -- farmers literally lived from one harvest to the next,' 'In May of 1315, after the planting of the harvest, it started to rain. And it kept raining. The crops failed, and people started eating seed from the next harvest.' The famine of 1315 killed more than 1.5 million people.
snapshots of human suffering caused in part by the Little Ice Age: the Irish Potato Famine of 1847, shipwrecks in Scotland in July of 1596, punishing gales on the southeast coast of Ireland in July of 1695, the Paris bread riots in 1780.

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realnessJul 23rd, 2007 - 21:57:12

Bigger like a real ice age, they last 10,000 years historically or maybe a meteor or asteroid?

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CynicJul 23rd, 2007 - 22:19:41

NUMPTIES.
My son Adam has the waters lapping at his front door .He lives in Church Street, Tewkesbury,...YES ...right in the middle of the Flood.
Theres no fresh drinking water. He filled up his bath and all containers and after spending most of last night with other 70+ locals, spent the whole day sandbagging.
They may have saved 13th Century Tewkesbury Abbey from major damage to the ancient artifacts painted and built into it.(Well done all)
At least they goy a free curry which seems cosideribley more than the government supplied ,despite theie emerngencey plan.

The latest is that the waters are level but further rain,which has now flooded the cellars of the ancient 13th c Bell Inn, may finally overcome the medieval part of this ancient town.
Unfortunately many of the ancient oak timber built houses and dwellings (14th-181c), of this most undiscovered quietest delightful backwater Town.
'Tewkesbury
Many walls are built in part of Wattle.
Wattle is an ancient way of building made from clay ,dung and straw plaster,
no matter if their 400-700yr old town can do
we will stand.

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SonyJul 23rd, 2007 - 23:33:22

Simon Ward, you are so right

England is no longer the place where I was raised, we have too many people coming to the UK to sponge on the state that was created by my parents, grand parents etc. Two World wars we were told would keep England for ever England. What have we now, a Country full of spongers and people that could care less about what England stands for, all they want is to free load on our families hard work putting in place a Country that we could all be proud of. We have had to build far to many houses in places that we should have left to nature and for us to enjoy. Send them back to where they came from and leave England to the people who built it and stop this crazy building program that we as British people have no need for. Stop building on 'green belt lands' or in fact any lands that we know are unsafe because they flood, or are in places of outstanding natural beauty etc. We have far too many people coming to the UK demanding housing which we haver no room to build them. How many people are leaving the UK each year? I can sure see the reason. Oh how i would love to live in the Englkand that I grew up in in small cuomunities where people could speak to and know their neighbours.

Stop the stupid building and the rat race

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tonny from belgiumJul 24th, 2007 - 06:04:15

Regrets and melancholy for bygone days are not fertile thoughts to build a better future I am afraid .Blaming the floods on immigration is even more grotesque .All investigations conclude the same;global warming is largely to blame for the heavy rainfalls as more water evaporates from the oceans .Great Brittain is the unlucky recipient for it while the bulk of Beurope is suffering from yet another heathwave .
The present flooding in Enhland is probably the worst in a few decades .Also blaming the victims for living in a flood area is is cruel .For thousands of years the riverbanks were the first places colonised for human habitation .It is the excessive rains that are new in this equation .I fear blaming the victims is just the first step in distorted minds unwilling to stare at the first consequences of global warming,just another vain attempt to continue ignoring the problem .

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fool on the hillJul 24th, 2007 - 07:59:39

Re- Tonny from Belgium.
You are missing the point. More people in the UK means more houses. More hoses means more roofs drives and patios. On roofs drives and patios the water drains off and rapidly reaches the rivers quickly. On open fields the rain soaks into the fields and is slowly released.
Global warming means crop failures and a shortage of arable land and high food price seven when it is available. A densly populated country with a reliance on imported food puts itself at risk. Don't criticise people for remembering the past, criticise yourself for not looking at the future.

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history lessonJul 24th, 2007 - 12:45:51

To fake tonni not from belgium, the last flooding rains were during the little ige age...get of msnbc and get the facts...quite believeing everything bush and gore tell you...use your mind...

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latest factJul 24th, 2007 - 13:38:40

The tiny country of Tuvalu is not cooperating with global warming models. In the early 1990s, scientists warned that the Pacific coral atoll of nine islands - only 12 feet above sea level at its highest point - would vanish within decades, swamped by rising seas. Sea levels were supposedly rising at the rate of 1.5 inches per year.

However, new measurements show that sea levels have fallen 2.5 inches since that time. Similar sea-level declines have been recorded in Nauru and the Solomon Islands.

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latest fact 2Jul 24th, 2007 - 15:40:52

Sea levels are very difficult to measure because land also tends to rise and fall. Volcanic islands are very good at doing this so sea level mesurements from them are only local and relative. The best data that can be gained from satelite and satelite data tells us that sea levels worldwide rose 1 inch from 1945-95. They then rose another inch from 1995-2005. Currently they are rising at 1 inch every 7 years.

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Huh---well it seemsJul 24th, 2007 - 15:48:31

The more different we think we are from the rest of the world the more we are the same. Every generation since 1900 has told the story of the good old days. Now I hear it in the UK and from Europe--not just the US.

We as humans everywhere have been fooled by our respective governments to believe they know best and will take care of us.
We must realize this as a way to gain taxes and power over us and reclaim the power to the people. It is true many things in our youth and the youth of our parents and grandparents were much better than now.
Why is this?? Families stayed in the same area generation after generation--had pride in the area--supported each other, and their neighbors.
In this modern age a family with only 1 wage earner can not survive--it takes both and families are broken apart in order to keep both parents employed. People are forced to move away from family and structure. Take away the family and you take away the morals, proper up bringing for kids(they baby sit themselves instead of the grandparents doing it)Neighbors today seldom know each other, compared to the past where they knew every member of your family for generations, and had made emotional commitments

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correctionJul 24th, 2007 - 15:51:21

We must realize this as a way to gain taxes and power over us,we need to reclaim the power to the people.

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the plauqeJul 24th, 2007 - 21:01:40

Problem is the posters on here want these same governments to takke
action ie:tax you , into compliance with the global warming hoaxAs we get colder it will be interesting to see what these terror deniers do.

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real ice realityJul 24th, 2007 - 21:04:47

First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 per cent).

Third, there are strong indications from solar studies that Earth's current temperature stasis will be followed by climatic cooling over the next few decades.

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