Fifth terrorist suspect arrested in Britain (1st Lead)
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Jul 1, 2007, 12:23 GMT
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Even if none of the public deserves this kind of attack, our country as an entity does deserve to be attacked. This whole situation is the result of Tony Blair's (and many previous leaders) policies of partisanship and support of a terrible war with a terrible cost, and the many previous decades of abuse. Many will say Muslims deserve to die. But that rascism is the very thing that has allowed our country to do so much worse on such a vast scale than a little flames, and the lure of the dollar. We should look squarely to those who started the whole thing - our own leaders. We are facing a counter attack - not even one of George Bush's 'pre-emptive strikes'. Why did we attack and connive in the first place, over the course of the last century? Because we just did not care. Well, now the chickens have come home to roost, and more innocent people are going to die. We should be trying for peace ourselves for once. Only then will we be left in peace ourselves.
Attempted murder of innocents has no excuse and does not need your craven apologies.
High time there was more than the deafening silence from British Muslims about these atrocities.
If you are a member of the Islamic community that morally and financially supports these would-be murderers, expect to be stopped and searched in the street, expect to be seen as a suspect, expect to be criticised - or else renounce your murderous creed.
I am a member of white middle class Britain that has been forced against my will to fund decades of attrocities against muslims on all sorts of levels. Why do you assume I have to be Muslim to acknowledge what we have done to them? Do you not see that peace brings peace and war brings war. Oh, you are too busy reading the script the neocons wrote for you.
I'm not assuming you're a Muslim, only perceiving that you are an idiot.
Unfortunately, there are always people ready to apologise for being victims and implicitly asking for more. We Scots don't feel like that today - we too thank that Muslims have something to answer for.
Ian McCulloch
... are not righting a wrong, they haven't suffered 'Western Imperialism' or any other such nonsense. They're pursuing the hostile anti-Christian, anti-Jewish anti-anybody who is not a Muslim politic.
America is not a valid excuse for Islamic violence. The truth is that Islam has had a long and blood history of violence – long before America was ever discovered.
What is so interesting about all this type of UK/US bemoaning, is that it separates those in the Middle East from any and all responsibility in these matters.
If for example, the US, UK or Russia were meddling in Middle Eastern affairs, it was precisely because someone in the Middle East thought they could gain something by it. And when the deal goes bad, or it is exposed [not counting all the successful deals], then and only then do we hear all the anti-western sentiments.
[All those poor Muslims – the victims of outside influence – again!]
Hmm.…
Either Muslims are going to behave in the Western/non-Islamic world [including the Buddhist regions] or their movement is going to have to be restricted to those parts which are Islamic.
Then they can bemoan that !
Like school - the world is going to make Muslims sit in the corner.
Muslims simply make a point of giving themselves a western name in these columns and spread their religious propaganda message > it is so obvious.
It is difficult for them to see their dreams of Islamic domination of Europe and then the world draining away with every terror attack and honour killing.
It is the Western dommination of the Middle East that is causing the problems. You can throw all sorts of jibes at Muslims but at the end of the day the facts are the facts. We (our politicians) started it. We can end it just as soon as we wish. And we can paint it any way we like while we hide our heads in the sand. But if we kill their children then they will want to kill us. This doesn't make them somehow more evil than us. That makes them human. We need to resolve the source of this problem (our treatment of the Middle East, etc.) to make it possible to resolve the problems of terrorism, on both sides. No amount of rascism is going to change this. You need to put the blame for this at the feet of the western politicians who started this. They thought they were immune from the fall out, but we are catching it now. We should have spoken out long ago. These words would be true no matter the colour of my skin. But it does amuse me that you think I am Muslim. I am not a Muslim. I am British and white. Try to think about the subject at hand without automatically using the justifications taught you by Bush et al. You will see a very sickening picture of what we have done. Slowly you may become aware, and eventually the evil may even be ended. We can hope.
I think you are thoroughly confused about who thinks what.
Just for your info, Bush is American not British.
We all understand that you are saying you are not a muslim.
That changes nothing about where folks think the responsibilities lie.
BOSWELL you are an idiot. You really need to look at history. The massacre of several million Armenians would be a good start. Slavery needs to be looked at, the Barbary pirates and why Britain bombarded Algiers. The Arabs involvement in the slave trade. Concubines and eunochs etc.
When you have done all that you might be interested in researching about the real Mohammed. Not the rose coloured version found in Arabia but the lying, murdering, slave trading, war mongering rapist and pedophile that he really was.
You then may change your mind about the 'guilty' West that deserves all it gets and find out that the rest of the world has had fatal problems with Islam since Muhammed heard the voice of Gabriel in a cave. It could have been Lucifer of cource but I think he made the whole thing up to further his lust for power and little girls.
I feel sorry for innocent muslims in Glasgow as I think they will have become targets for revenge attacks .
It pains one to read of the naievete of apologists like Bosley who choose to
assign blame for moslem terrorist actions to our government and that of our allies.The moslem world has a long bloody history of using murder and terror in furtering their goal of world domination,Fortunatly for the west they are often unable to form powerful military unions because they are too busy killing each other in factional disagreements.Look back on history and one sees that moslems use terror to create unrest and gain their goals over vast portions of the world.The Iraqi Uprising in the 40's,the creation of Pakistan,the attempted destruction of the infant state of Isreal at its inception by U.N. mandate...right down to the current problems caused by these unreasonable fanatics!Hijackings,kidnappings,murder.bombings for the better part of the last half century!!!Bush-Blair have finally taken the correct stance:Enough is Enough.I fear we have been perhaps too careful in our attempts to keep down their civilian casualties,but they must be fought and stopped.Violence is the only language they understand! A policy of 'leaving them alone' is what got us where we are today! Time has come to 'neuter' this menace by whatever means is required.Be prepared to see it happen as it is the only way for our civilization to survive without conversion to ISLAM!
Boswell, you have an extraordinarily polarised view of the West's 'treatment' of ME. Most of the ME's problems stem from it's own autocratic and selfish Muslim dictators who have caused such backwardness and poverty to their own populations. They have exploited their national oil wealth for personal private use whilst Islam has been used as a tool of repression. It is nonsense to try to lay the blame for that at the door of the 'West'.
Folk could be forgiven for thinking you are a Muslim because your curious 'Islamic' way of pretending that all Muslim problems are a consequence of some mysterious Western malice ... is indeed entirely Islamic - and characteristic self-justifying nonsense!
Tell me this is not all about the Islamization of Europe and then the world.
The religious point of these attacks often overlooked by the Socialist High-Hopers - the 'Bush is the Biggest Terrorist' lot.
Please explain how it is that attacking a disco [a non-Muslim entity] fits into your view of perfect socialist world governance.
In fact it is probably true - that your refusal to accept that Islam is a religion - with obvious religious/political objectives - that the Muslims are using this to hinge on and further their real objectives here in Europe.
Like the setting up of an Islamic State here in the UK. I suppose you hadn’t heard !!
Oh don't tell me your Socialist non-religious ideology won't allow you to figure out the obvious. The first day you can not walk out of the house in your own clothes, and have to wear the ones they assign you, you will understand the real aim of the thing you think you can appease.
Don’t forget the very people who assisted in helping the Iranian revolution were taken out the back and shot. You have to understand if you are not Muslim you are playing a deadly game – as even the Muslims are afraid of this lot.
'I am a member of white middle class Britain that has been forced against my will to fund decades of attrocities against muslims on all sorts of levels'
You are either a liar or a lunatic. My guess: Liar. Either way, some British are not willing to live on their knees to islamism. There have been deadly islamist attacks in India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and everywhere else they want to throw their weight around.
So anyone who would defend these monsters is a miserable piece of s***.
So anyone who would defend these monsters is a miserable piece of s***.
Now that arrests of 'Asian' suspects has begun, we can still all relax for the moment until someone carelessly uses the 'M' word and then we will have to fasten our seatbelts for the torrent of outrage that we in the West have brought all this on upon ourselves by oppressing, insulting and just generally not doing enough to accommodate and ass-kiss the elitist, racist practitioners of Islam.
Boswell, There has been much discussion on these pages as to whether you are a muslim, a liar or perhaps both, it actually matters not, the real fact is that you are a deluded retard. I wonder how forgiving you would be if a member of your family was to fall victim to the dispicable acts of terrorism, whatever thier cause or religion be.
Wiki
'Hugues de Payens (English: Hugh of Payens) (c. 1070 - 1136), a French knight from the Champagne region, was the co-founder and first Grand Master of the Knights Templar. With Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, he created the Latin Rule, the code of behavior for the Order.'
Ok - Let me see if I can get it right > here it goes > Crusader, Imperialists, Colonizers, Infidel Invaders > Oh Behave !!
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