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I protest against the intrusive character of your Hostel Part II advert -- to go with the London carbomb story. Shame on you!
guess them bobbies should be more careful where they park their terror cars, can not blame people from the middle east if an honest cop finds them before then get set off.
dont get excited... one real incident happened early this morning in London the other one is pure fantasy. It is not hard to tell the differance or to tell that banner ads like tha have been lined up before the incident in Haymarket. there is enough in the world to complain about...but not that.
I find it amusing that the driver appeared to have been overcome by fumes to the extent that he lost control and then abandonned his car. What a muppet. Does anyone know,.. was he using unleaded petrol?
' Iraq Iraq Iraq ' . What was the excuse before Iraq ? Terrorists have always had an excuse to target the UK and others . They will always have an excuse and that will never change .
Interesting how just days after PM Gordon enters his new office, there would be an attempted attack. Especially since he has so publicly said he'd focus on domestic issues. I wonder if this wasn't just a ploy to pass a few new laws through parliament under the excuse of 'protecting against terrorism.' No one else finds it curious that a highly trained terror cell with a devestating plot was foiled by fumes?? Roll down a window... -- I think something is off center here.
The point here is that whether the device went off, or was discovered, the threat lingers. If bin Laden's aim was to disrupt Western civilizations' calm way of life, he succeeded.
As a result of 9/11, we've all been continually distracted, and the 'overhead costs' of just surviving have mounted, in terms of dollars.
The world has always endured 'terror', but it's essentially been a local matter. Read the history of bin Laden's fervor beginning with the Gulf War in 1991, when he asked the Saudis to lead a Muslim army against Saddam (and the Saudis wisely turned him down, and turned to the U.S. and allies), and you realize the initial trigger for all of this. Modern civilization allows for terror to be 'exported', and even a comparatively small device can get the headlines.
The war in Iraq might have been a good idea, if it had ended in 2 years with an Iraqi government, and some vestige of stability. Blame execution (or lack thereof) by this Administration, and Blair's approval rating took a massive hit by the time he left office. Now he's going to 'play diplomat' in a pretty hopeless scenario, so give him credit for at least trying.
The Brits have endured this kind of thing size the buzz-bombs of WW II, and are a good role model for how the public should handle what's become an ever-present overhang threat of attacks of their homeland.
To all those who've bought the bogus argument for the War ... 'Fight them there so we won't have to fight them here.'
So how's that workin for ya?
Re: To all those who've bought the bogus argument for the War ... 'Fight them there so we won't have to fight them here.
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I agree that the premise was nonsensical. There's no armada of ships on the way from the Mideast, and this is not Tripoli and the Barbary Wars. Why send an army, when a group of terrorists can cause this much disruption, even when the tragedy is averted? Rumsfeld and Cheney could not let go of the 1991 model, when Saddam foolishly engaged our troops, and was militarily obliterated.
I took the premise to mean stabilizing Iraq so that terrorist factions could not take control. This is not a great plan with the inhabitants in an overt civil war, which Saddam bottled up for many years by going after Shiite militants. Al Qaeda has no following amongst the native Iraqis, but at this point both sides pay money for support - al Q is funded by that huge opium crop in Afghanistan. Remember Afghanistan - 9/11? Anyone? That's the job undone that has led to the current mess in Iraq.
I cannot even count the ways that this Administration has screwed things up, with Chavez in a state visit to Russia immediately before Putin's visit to Maine as an example. When the leaders of your enemies are cleverer than your own leadership, you have a problem. At this point, the 'leader of the free world' leads nothing, as money talks louder, and Russia and Iran have our allies as customers for oil and weapons.
' 'Fight them there so we won't have to fight them here.''
'I agree that the premise was nonsensical.'
Well it is when you import them 'over here'
'There's no armada of ships on the way from the Mideast, and this is not Tripoli and the Barbary Wars. '
....Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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ABC News is reporting that UK police have a clear picture of the man who drove that explosive-laden Mercedes in London today. And he looks a lot like a Muslim who was previously arrested in connection with another UK terror plot—but released.
I guess we can rule out the IRA or the Mafia now. (To name two absurd theories floated by UK authorities trying to avoid the T word.)
British police have a “crystal clear” picture of the man who drove the bomb-rigged silver Mercedes outside a London nightclub, and officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com he bears “a close resemblance” to a man arrested by police in connection with another bomb plot but released for lack of evidence.
Officials say the suspect had been taken into custody in connection with the case of al Qaeda operative Dhiren Barot, who was convicted of orchestrating a vehicle bomb plot involving targets in London, New York, Newark, N.J. and Washington, D.C.
Officials say a surveillance camera caught the suspect “staggering from the Mercedes” shortly after parking it outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub.
U.S. and British law enforcement officials tell ABC News it is increasingly clear Friday’s bomb plot in London involves multliple vehicles, and is described by a senior official as a “terror plot involving lslamic extremists.”
Repeating the completely false assumptions and rhetoric of Sean Hannity doesn't help your credibility.
Not one person has said to 'surrender'. You're simply regurgitating made-up, inflammatory and baseless crap from the far-right.
Sean likes to substitute reality with his wrong assumptions, then argue with himself about what his assumptions really mean.
Now you're doing it too.
Get a grip. Use real quotes of peoples intentions if you can, not those made up lies, repeated ad nauseum.
' 'Fight them there so we won't have to fight them here.''
'I agree that the premise was nonsensical.'
Well it is when you import them 'over here'
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Whose fault is that??? Which President has NOT tightened up the Mexican border crossings, and constructed usable barriers??? Which President just added $4.4 billion to the immigration legislation that SHOULD have been allocated years ago??? Entry, even with visas, is not secure, and the unified terrorist watchlist Bush promised several times over the years does not exist. Meanwhile, 'Sam Jones', or anyone sounding LIKE a name on the existing system, gets hounded.
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'There's no armada of ships on the way from the Mideast, and this is not Tripoli and the Barbary Wars. '
....Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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It's hard to respond to a 'sound', but I suppose in your case that passes for thought. The Barbary Wars of 1801-1805 and 1815 were against the North African 'pirates', quite a decent metaphor for some Middle Eastern states today. The Ottoman Empire was comprised of independent Muslim states. I'd suggest some catching up on Wikipedia. Or, you could try listening to the Marine Corps' hymn:
' ... to the shores of Tripoli ...'
'... On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha (or Bashaw) of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. (In 1800, Federal revenues totaled a little over $10 million.) Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, in May of 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli. ... '
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