SVAug 4th, 2008 - 09:15:28

Eventually, we will pullout of Iraq. Cheers and see ya!

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Iraq unable to hold electionsAug 4th, 2008 - 13:25:44

(The entire point of the surge was to allow time for the Iraqi Government to govern; as well as to give them more time to build their own army to insure that the country could stand by itself. Now that major oil revenues are coming in, it appears that they have even more to fight over amongst themselves. This has been a colossal waste ot effort, money and lives. We deal with far worse people than Saddam on a regular basis, and removing Saddam has empowered Iran to a place where we have little leverage, aside from threatening them; at which point they threaten us in return. Bush wasted 7 years NOT seeking a solution to the Palestine problem, the key to peace in the Mideast, which every recent President who preceded him had worked on).

www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/opinion/04mon2.html?th&emc=th

Since the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, the oil-rich northern city of Kirkuk has been a political tinderbox-in-waiting that was largely ignored as war-fighting took precedence. Now that violence is way down, Iraqi leaders have no excuse not to peacefully decide the city’s future. Their failure to do so has already raised tensions and could further shred Iraq’s fragile social fabric — and unleash more bloodshed.

If the Kurds continue to hold the election law hostage, provincial elections now expected in early 2009 will also be stymied. These elections are crucial to Iraq’s political stability and reconciliation efforts because they will give minority Sunni Arabs a chance to be in government for the first time since they boycotted the 2005 elections. Sunnis who played a key role fighting with American forces against Iraqi insurgents are already embittered by the failure of Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government to hire enough of them for promised security jobs.

Compromises on Kirkuk are theoretically possible, but only the U.N. seems to be seriously trying to find one. That’s baffling, since no one, other than the Iraqis, has more vested in keeping the lid on violence and on tension with Turkey and Iran than the United States.

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Bush presidency a blot on U.S. historyAug 4th, 2008 - 13:40:19

Iran is finally able to work towards the hegemony that they've always sought, along with the other Shia-led countries, upsetting the Sunni nations who supply us oil.

We are sending billions and billions of dollars annually to oil-producing countries for oil; and instead of spending 8 years improving alternate energy sources, we now pay a multiple of the oil price of 2000, bleeding the U.S. economy.

The housing market is getting worse, as even mortgages above sub-prime are costing homeowners more and more, along with energy costs - we will see many more foreclosures, and a weaking of banks' financials along with it. Business is finding it difficult to borrow to fund expansion.

We have lost standing all around the world, and will find it increasingly difficult to get other countries to stand with us in future wars. That popularity Obama was seen to have in Germany is really a reflection of their disgust with Bush, and his policies.

We are likely past the point where global warming can be dealt with, as the cost of doing so has risen. People affected by Katrina are still losing their temporary housing, years later, with no long-term solution.

The lies and fear-mongering continue, with even McCain walking away from his own position AGAINST offshore drilling. Over 80 percent of offshore leases already granted are seeing no drilling activity; so Bush wants to give the oil companies MORE places NOT to drill, in a giveaway of U.S.-owned mineral resources.

We have moved from a book-surplus left by Clinton to a masssive expansion of the National Debt, with no end in sight to annual deficits.

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sp'sassAug 4th, 2008 - 18:36:09

None of what the psycho-babbling libnazia above say is right, and saying so doesn't make me wrong.

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Do you ever tire of being dead wrong?Aug 5th, 2008 - 01:21:20

'The entire point of the surge was to allow time for the Iraqi Government to govern; as well as to give them more time to build their own army to insure that the country could stand by itself. '

And it has. And you opposed it.

'it appears that they have even more to fight over amongst themselves.'

Gee, what a tragedy...prosperity.

'h wasted 7 years NOT seeking a solution to the Palestine problem, '

There is no solution until they evolve.

'the key to peace in the Mideast, which every recent President who preceded him had worked on'

Well then, I guess that means that there is peace in the middle east. Oh wait... By the way, the Bush administration HAS worked for a solution to the 'palestinian' problem. Saying they haven't is another one of your lies.

'Now that violence is way down, Iraqi leaders have no excuse not to peacefully decide the city’s future. '

Gee, violence way down.. Iraqis solving problems politically.. Guess that means you were wrong you moron.

'Iran is finally able to work towards the hegemony that they've always sought, '

Iran has been doing that for the past 2500+ years. Is that Bush's fault?

'We are sending billions and billions of dollars annually to oil-producing countries for oil;'

Because the defeat-o-crats wont let us drill. Pelosi wont even allow debate. Bush wanted to lift the domestic production moratorium but the democrats filibustered it twice.

'The housing market is getting worse,'

You are just tossing out crap to see what sticks...


Bottom line, had we listened to you, you islamst apologist defeatist idiot, we would have been thrown out of Iraq and defeated, which is exactly what you wanted. Drop dead.

'We have lost standing all around the world, '

Bull. You don't speak for the world, you are an idiot.

'That popularity Obama was seen to have in Germany is really a reflection of their disgust with Bush, and his policies.'

They like Obama because they know he will sign US sovereignty over to internationalist organizations like the EU and the UN, effectively giving the miserable Europeans a measure of control over American actions. No thanks. They like Obama because he is a socialist as well. Socialism doesn't work.

I am not needy enough to vote for someone who is unqualified to be president in order to be 'liked'. I would rather have someone who is more qualified then a jr senator who decided he was ready to be president after 143 days in the senate. If that annoys the europeans all the better.

'We are likely past the point where global warming can be dealt with,'

Lions and tigers and bears, you had better drink hemlock.

'The lies and fear-mongering continue, with even McCain walking away from his own position AGAINST offshore drilling. '

Obbama is now flip flopping on it as well... As well as EVERYTHING ELSE UNDER THE SUN. Obama is simply a liar.

'We have moved from a book-surplus left by Clinton to a masssive[sic] expansion of the National Debt, '

So we shouldn't be creating GIGANTIC entitlement programs like the ones Obama proposes now should we?

You sound unhappy here. Perhaps you should get out.

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Thomas GeorgeAug 5th, 2008 - 01:25:41

Strange article.....2011?? I suppose that the DEVIL is in the DETAILS as usual.........BUT this 2011 doesn't 'Ring True'......How are Exxon Mobil & the rest of the NeoCartel GONNA get ALL the OIL in TWO years?? Its NOT possible....So....Look for the HIDDEN Tripwires: 'except to Protect' AND 'Assistance, If requested by the President, Prime minister or the cabinet Minister with the responsibility of oil' Or Maybe 'Provided all parties fulfill their commitments as delineated in Subsection 3, Paragraph 1. through 11.' Its still gotta get approved..... Far, far..FAR.... 2 go .. .B4 itz A 'DONE DEAL' TGW Martha's Vineyard

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This just in: You are wrong again!Aug 5th, 2008 - 01:27:45

LOL!:

''Iraqi law makers Monday reached an agreement to temporarily divide control of Kirkuk [GlobalSecurity backgrounder] among the city's ethnic groups, as part of a compromise bill providing for provincial elections in the city. Control of Kirkuk has been major point of contention, with Kurdish members of the country's parliament [official website, in Arabic] demanding a referendum allowing city residents to decide whether or not to join the semi-autonomous Kurdistan region of Iraq. Kirkuk Turkmen and Arabs had opposed the referendum [VOI report] for fear of eviction should the city become part of the region, and instead had supported long-term proportional representation among the groups. A vote on the elections bill was originally planned to take place on Sunday, but is now scheduled for Tuesday...''


Do me a favor and predict that I wont win the lottery this week.

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NateAug 5th, 2008 - 02:39:52

This post is in response to the nonsense spewed from the post entitled “Do You Ever Tire of Being Dead Wrong”.

You hypocritical pretentious pinhead! You accuse others of lies as you parrot talking points pulled from the proverbial rectum of Fox news. Lets go through them one at a time.

First, the surge has been a success, and now the country can “stand” on its own.

Don’t bring that crap around here you ignorant flag waver. There will come a day when the US will leave Iraq. Whether it is two years from now, or ten years from now we are going to leave and there will be blood. Furthermore, those that come to power after we are gone are not going to be our friends. They will be the friends of Iran and enemies of Israel. Great, instead of loosing ten soldiers a week, we are loosing about two. Woo Hoo! Break out the flags… SUCCESS!! Hey numb-nuts, how about none. How about supporting our troops, bringing them home and getting them the hell out of this no win situation? You are a confused moron!

Second, there is no “solution” to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

This statement really demonstrates how little you know. The solution to this problem lies in justice and adherence to international law. By giving Israel billions of dollars a year, the US enables Israel to continue the illegal nearly 40 year occupation. It also gives the US leverage to force Israel to treat there neighbors with justice. George Bush instead gave them a blank check to continue there immoral policies.

Thirdly, you would have us all believe (as you apparently do) that we can work our way out of this energy crisis through domestic drilling.

I don’t know what to tell you about this except to check your facts. You are once again dead wrong. The truth is that even if we opened up all nature reserves in the US to oil drilling, it wouldn’t affect the global market for at least 10 years (probably closer to 20) and even then, it would affect prices by less than $0.25 a gallon.

Lastly, let me just list some of your nonsense that doesn’t deserve a response.

Obama is a “socialist” and Germans only like him because they believe that he will give Germans “control” of America’s “actions”

All this crap you spew without even addressing the thesis statement that the Iraq war “has been a colossal waste of effort, money and lives. We deal with far worse people than Saddam on a regular basis, and removing Saddam has empowered Iran to a place where we have little leverage.”

Rememeber, you can teach a monkey to wave a flag but that doesn’t make him patriotic.

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creflo dollarAug 5th, 2008 - 05:50:58

Of course USA will continue to plant bombs
and blame 'al qaeda' for it,saying;see we can not
leave! this is what has been going on since
2003.Why to control the oil,so they can blackmail the chinese
and the rest of the world. Iran,you are next....

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Two More CentsAug 5th, 2008 - 10:10:59

We must first forgive one another.

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