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Jan 7, 2008, 18:15 GMT
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If you cage even an animal and torment it continually, you should face the consequence. The Palestinian resistance has morphed into what it is today, as deadly and as murderous as their jewish tormentors.
The jews have refused to recognize numerous UN resolutions to return to the 1967 borders in an effort to help bring peace to the region.
Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has put forward a peace initiative since 2002 but The jews treat this and every other initiative to stop their murderous grab of Arab land with scorn. They continue to build even more illegal settlements because they are so confident that US will continue to veto UN resolutions/sanctions brought against them and continue sending them more deadly weapons with which that they shoot innocent women and children and continue to provide our children as cannon fodder in defense of their shitty existence in the wars they keep instigating against the Arabs.
Realist! It is not 'disputed' territory but occupied territory and part of the grand plan to occupy even more Arab land.
Moshe Dayan 'We would send a tractor to plough someplace possible .. in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that they would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end they would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also.'
Dayan describe military retaliations as a 'life drug' to the Israel Army. First, it obliged the Arab governments to take drastic measures to protect their borders. Second, and this was the essence, it enabled the Israeli government to maintain a high degree of tension in the country and the army.
I wonder why realist or anyone else has hardly commented on the story at hand? Realist, it's ok for a shepherd to be kidnapped, right? I wonder what they had against the poor fellow... just an easy victim, i guess. Realist, you ignore the story where you're posting your own comments on!
To everyone, specifically realist, The shepherd is the 'red flag' to a bull, the 'briar under the saddle', 'rattling the cage' of an angry animal.
Sorry, thought I made it obvious that the jews have been doing this for decades. Particularly now that Bush is in the region, how else to show Bush how 'bad' these Arabs really are and gain some mileage should the resistance respond to the provocation.
For the same reason they bombed the Syrians and expected retaliation after all big brother US is behind them a la Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. They are too stupid to realize that their greed has resulted in our young men/women are fighting a losing battle with the Iranians and stuck fast in quagmire Iraq.
'We shoot at those from among the 200,000 hungry [Palestinian] Arabs who cross the line [to graze their flocks]---- will this stand up to moral review? Arabs cross to collect the grain that they left in the abandoned [term often used by Israelis to describe the ethnically cleansed] villages and we set mines for them and they go back without an arm or a leg' Moche Dyan. For those who don't recognize the name Moshe Dyan is one of the Jewish Gods who put pen to paper before his demise.
To the person calling himself realist.
You denied the ethnic cleaning of the Palestinians, and then asked to be educated.
Unfortunately, this site doesn't allow the use of links, so I will direct you to a blog which i posted on gregpotemkin.blogspot.com.
If you go to that blog, and click on the archive for January 2006 a posting entitled 'Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians' will come up.
Please read it, as well as the embedded links. If you wish to engage in serious discussion of this topic, I will respond either on that blog, or here.
Greg
p.s. - I am kind of curious about the your reference to the 'Pals live up to their agreements, including the exchange of population'. I am not aware of any such agreement regarding 'exchange of population' - perhaps you can provide a reference?
...go look at the 1949 UN brokered agreement which resulted in the creation of the state of Israel, the signatories, including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen agreed to the exchange. However, it is a historic fact that more than 3 time as many Jews left Arab countries than Arabs left Israel. These people were never given their due and instead were given the promise of the destruction of Israel, which did not happen. They have been in the camps since 1949 because their brothers put them there.
...as to the person who wonders about my academic credentials, I first attained my BS in History (Phi Alpha Theta - specialty in post WW2) minors in Poly Sci and Anthropology, I then attained my Masters in Engineering and a concurrent BS in ID, what’s the big deal?
flaunts his alleged formal education. All those BS' are more likely BS, as in bovine scat. He does not talk like an educated person, but more like some nonthinking, reactive, neocon toady. But on the other hand, he does talk like an engineer, all bull and bluster and no brains. And I am really impressed with this: 'Phi Alpha Theta' It sounds like one of those amercanisms that they are so proud of, like Homecoming QueenI wonder if he is referring to one of those college boys clubs where drinking, smoking, screwing around are the main focus of their stay in those hallowed halls of higher education. Or is Higher the operative word? I think he ingested too many chemicals, for his thought are scattered. An Engineer? I am not impressed.
I guess you are typing your comments on a computer, created by the no brain engineers, drive in cars and on roads designed by those know nothing engineers, so be very careful, it must all be bull and bluster, but you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered.
We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything, but regardless, they are there and are not going anywhere. The only reasonable course is to try and negotiate and resolve the conflict. Israel has proven a fair partner in peace (see Egypt and Jordan) the Pals have yet to do so.
The incident at hand is this shepard strayed into an area used for attacks on Israel and was captured by the IDF. No comment was given as to his disposition, however Israel is reporting his detainment and therefore taking responsibility. History has shown in these incidents, if the person in question is not a wanted terrorist, he will soon be back tending his sheep and probably keeping clear of that area.
And you engineers should be forced to repair the trash you design. That way you would redesign it so that you don't have to remove the engine in order to replace a spark plug. Being an engineer is not something to be proud of.
Or are you an armchair engineer, playing with your Lionel toy train set?
As for your adoration of thing jewish, and disdain for the palestinians, remember that there can be no response without a stimulus. Israel provides plenty of stimuli. Israel is nothing more than an ugly, little Spartan state. They are the ones who have earned every rocket fired at them. Israel is an artificial state created by politicians and has absolutely no justificatiob for existing. Everything about Israel is a lie starting with the numbers killed in their holocaust. It could not have been six million. There were only 5 million in Nazi held territories in 1941 and by 1943 over 2 million had been allowed to emigrate. And thet is historical FACT, not historical denial. Before you accuse me of being a jew hater, let's get this straight. I don't hate jews. I hate lies. Lies told by anyone, anywhere, anytime. I believe in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You, by being a closed minded person, by denying yourself the opportunity to see more than one side, for there is always more than one side to a story, are coming damned close to being a liar.
Engineer yourself out of that one.
I agree with you for the most part. And I say nice try, but in order to see the other side, you have to have an open mind. You have to leave all biases behind and look at it, study it, dispassionately. I have found that when a person can see both sides of an issue, then that person no longer has an opinion. They Know. Until a person Knows, then all they have is their own ignorance. That is it in a nutshell. An opinion is merely an expression of ignorance. And there are a lot of ignorant people out there.
From the looks of your post, your keyboard was probably designed by that engineer. There are a few errors that can only be explained by circuitry problems.
...as to the person who wonders about my academic credentials, I first attained my BS in History (Phi Alpha Theta - specialty in post WW2) minors in Poly Sci and Anthropology, I then attained my Masters in Engineering and a concurrent BS in ID, what’s the big deal?
After reading the rubbish you just posted I wonder more about the University that seems to be passing you!
Still you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered. So I repeat...
We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything, but regardless, they are there and are not going anywhere. The only reasonable course is to try and negotiate and resolve the conflict. Israel has proven a fair partner in peace (see Egypt and Jordan) the Pals have yet to do so.
The incident at hand is this shepard strayed into an area used for attacks on Israel and was captured by the IDF. No comment was given as to his disposition, however Israel is reporting his detainment and therefore taking responsibility. History has shown in these incidents, if the person in question is not a wanted terrorist, he will soon be back tending his sheep and probably keeping clear of that area.
And to the person who needs to know and does not believe in opinions. . .wow, since you can never 'know' all the information without bias or filtration, unless you personally witness everything, including peoples backgrounds and experiences, you cannot ever 'know', so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available. That is all we really have, so, based on the facts at hand and my personal experiences I have the opinions I do, and you have yours.
I do see both sides, one has made peace under tough circumstances and made sacrifices to make that happen (Israel) and the other side demands concessions prior to negotiations and cannot even live up to the most minimal agreements they make (the Palestinians), those are facts. Both sides have gone beyond civil behavior at times, but only 1 side calls for the destruction of the other (the Palestinians again).
The person calling himself “realist” stated:
“...go look at the 1949 UN brokered agreement which resulted in the creation of the state of Israel, the signatories, including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Yemen agreed to the exchange.”
This is, of course, complete nonsense. Neither UN General Assembly Resolution 181, (the original partition resolution of 1947, which was rejected by all the Arab states, as well as Iran), nor the subsequent Resolution 194 of 1948, nor any of the subsequent armistice agreements between the Zionist entity and Jordan, Syria, Egypt, or Lebanon contained any reference to an “exchange of population”.
All of these documents are available online at lebanonwire.com, if one has the patience to actually read through them.
Obviously, the person calling himself “realist” is regurgitating some nonsensical Zionist claim which was intended to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians on the basis of a so-called exchange.
This information is being provided, just in case anyone is foolish enough to buy into any of his claims.
'We know you all hate the Jews and Israel and blame them for everything...'
What is this 'We' business? Do you have more than one personality crawling around in your brain pan? And NO, 'we' don't all hate the jews, but we do put the blame for their crimes against the palestinians square on their shoulders.
'Israel has proven a fair partner in peace...'
Only after they have gotten everything they want and then some.
'one has made peace under tough circumstances and made sacrifices to make that happen (Israel)'
What a load of codswallop.
'...so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available.'
It is obvious that you have not used the best sources available and rely heavily on your own ignorance as a basis for opinion.
'...but only 1 side calls for the destruction of the other (the Palestinians again)'
There is one side that hasn't called for the destruction of the other and that is because they are too busy actively doeing it, and that is israel.
I could go one, but why bother, why waste more time, you are just another indoctrinated, deluded, yankee monkey.
'And to the person who needs to know and does not believe in opinions. . .wow, since you can never 'know' all the information without bias or filtration, unless you personally witness everything, including peoples backgrounds and experiences, you cannot ever 'know', so therefore you only ever have opinion, based on the best sources available. That is all we really have, so, based on the facts at hand and my personal experiences I have the opinions I do, and you have yours.'
So the result is, one should keep silent until one knows. One cannot listen and hear and learn, when the mouth is working. It is better to keep one's mouth shut and let the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove it, as you have done.
It is also a lot quieter and peaceful without all the cackling going on, so, please shut the f**k up and go dig another hole, engineer.
Try looking at the signed, UN brokered cease fire and articles of peace (the articles were never accepted by the Arab sides).
...everything they wanted, well I guess so, they wanted and got peace, they gave the Negev with its vast oil resources as well as all concessions Jordan requested, sounds reasonable. Demanding for concessions prior to negotiations being even begun is not.
...and to the poster who wants me to 'please shut the f**k up and go dig another hole' go practice what you preach. The result actually should be a lively exchange of ideas and opinions, since no one ever 'knows' by your definition. I do know something, you are an idiot.
Still you all neglect to make any relevant criticism of the facts and opinions offered on this incident in particular or the general ideas proffered related to the Arab-Israeli conflict..
'Try looking at the signed, UN brokered cease fire and articles of peace (the articles were never accepted by the Arab sides).'
Try looking at the peace efforts israel has sabotaged, you jerk.
'they gave the Negev with its vast oil resources'
After they stole it in a war. It always was Egyptian territory. Vast oil reserves? Prove it.
'I do know something, you are an idiot'
You know nothing, fool. You are merely throwing out petty attempts to insult. How typical of the neocon. Assume and slander. No argument, no brain, no nothing except preprogrammed hogwash, you are a typical republican. Just like your presidunce, your mind, such as it is, is made up and you will not be confused by the facts. So much for having intelligent discourse with you. Go join your buddies, SPfool, noawareness and charles, they need a fourth for their self-congratulatory circle jerk.
says he is an engineer. I would think unemployed engineer. He seems to spend a lot of time crawling around on the web. From the tone of his posts, he isn't a good engineer either. That would explain why he's wasting everybody's time with his drivel. If engineer needs a job, the israeli need help building their wall. They most likely need help designing ovens for their Palestinian solution.
You just stating that I am wrong, deluded or whatever does nothing to refute my statements you neanderthal. Focus and deal with facts. You are the one name calling, hating and lying.
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