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Really, the answer is simple and others have stated it. By the way, I am American but NOT a Bush supporter.
1. Under the current regime, Iran is a terrorist and wildly irresponsible nation. Note the recent Holocaust denial forum featuring a bevy of neo-Nazis...to say nothing of terrorist support in Iraq, aid to Hezbollah, etc.
2. If the Brits had been up to something covert, friends, they would not have been caught. They were inspecting (and letting go) a vessel carrying automobiles and other goods headed for Iraq.
3. Iran has perhaps the premier propaganda machine, if only for its size, in the Middle East. They can call white black and a few tens of millions of uneducated, underemployed, and young people believe them.
4. War with Iran is dangerous. They have a substantial, and fanatical, military, a large land area, and coalition forces are stretched thin. However...
5. They must release the captured sailors and apologize. If they don't, I humbly submit that:
a. Coalition forces use missile, surface warfare, and air power to completely -- completely -- destroy their navy. Every last ship, submarine, boat, dock, warehouse, command center, you name. Rubble. Tit-for-tat. Of course, the sailors and marines might suffer; but they are sailors and marines, they are professional, and they are in a war and know the possible consequences. International order comes first.
b. Use every possible diplomatic and military means if possible -- if that means bombing the Iranian president's head -- to release the hostages.
It's really that simple.
time for the brits and the u.s. to put them over there knees and give them a good spank.
Do you believe their compasses or our GPS?
There are frightening similarities between the actions of Iran today and Germany before world war 2. The main difference is, however, that the existence of Nuclear weapons might mean that the next world-war will end only after destroying a large enough portion of it. Hopefully, enough countries will understand this, leave their personal agendas, and cooperate to make sure that stability is
Wonder what Jimmy Carter thinks about this?
What did we learn to do and not to do from him?
It's amazing the amount of ignorance in the comments like go 'bomb em'. Ha ha ha. You guys are clueless.
In the end, it's all a strategic game for the last remnants of easy oil. But, there is no easy oil in Iran since they have peaked already! They do in fact need to build an alternative energy infrastructure not dependent on oil.
The US and Iran would both like to see high oil prices but for different reasons. The US govt keeps inflating the dollar and relies on high oil prices to artificially create dollar demand. The Iranians want higher oil prices for obvious reasons.
The question at hand, why did the Brits inspect the ships so close to Iranian waters? It sounds like it's a tough call to know either way as to who is telling the truth. If it was not so close to the border of international waters, then how could this argument even get started?
Lies, lies, and more lies...
LOL.
abdullah, its nice to speak your mind in such a wonderfull country huh!
To Abdullah,
Thats a bit tat for tat, you will find the uk marines were in disputed waters from each side, better warning craft should have been dispatched, not prisoners.
It is entirely likely the SAS WILL GO IN AND GET THEM...
HOPEFULLY
As an ex member of special forces i can safely say they will already be there.
This is just silly the second that they were approached they should have fought back and the UK or US Navy should have interdicted in this sit, and if they were caught the one liner should be you have 24 Hrs to give us our people or your going to see Shock and AWWW II,
Someone send a tomahawk cruise missile through the Capitol building of Iran and then repeat the demand I bet you have their full and undivided attention then.
As a country they feel that they can disregard things from the UN, well it is the UN I know but this is the UK they are our friend is in this mess and need to be supported.
If not completely close the ports of that country and impose a no fly zone as well. If those were my marines I would want a option on the table to use what ever force is necessary to get my men back including a nuclear option be it a small tactical nuke
It sounds like this may have been preplanned. Iranain officials had thier visas in time to address the UN, but said they didn't. I have a hard time beleiving that they would not be more outspoken to present thier case in person before the UN. I have a hard time beleiving that the Iranian President, whom is quite outspoken would take this laying down, given his past behaviors.
The route to the simplest truth would be the true GPS coordinates of the British sailors and the Indian ship before and after boarding. Match the GPS coordinates with the maretime charts and see what you've got. It would be very easy to feret out the liar.
I don't want to see thing escalate out of control, but the capture of the sailors didn't change the security councils vote, and will only futher aggravate the situation. If there is nothing to hide, put up or shut up. Prove to the UN that they are liars and let the inspectors prove to the world that the UN officials are bullish idiots.
Then Iranian President should give Mohmar a call and inquire about the remodeling job we did on his house. Then again Sadam's house looks much better. Seems to be plenty of open air space.
I think that if the British are smart,They will stop talking which is perceived
as weakness and demand the release of their people.If not start to destroy the infratructure of Iran. This they will understand.
24 hours...
Give then 24 hours and send in the Bombers and fighter jets
Funny how they climb down when they actually realise they would lose a full blown toe to toe fight with a professionally trained tri service force.
We have to play fair under rules of engagement.
Quite apart from that, the intellectual elite in Iran were flabbergasted at the actions of one of their hydra heads. They have only the most poor of controls and consistency over their forces (many different variants) and political/religious structures which are numerous, dont talk to each other, and pull in different directions.
I would dearly love for the Senior Service to not have to play fair when no one else does - but then you must lead by example.
I assure you, if they werent returned, things would have gone very badly for Iran and its outdated old equipment and amateur forces.
Either that or we should have let us actually fight and turned Iran into a slight bit of Global Warming at 28,000 degrees C.
Islam has bleeding borders - and Global Sharia will never happen. Deal with it - time for the little kiddies to grow up.
A peaceful believer nation is one in which it has learned to ignore most of the Koran and Hadith.
I laugh as I read comments like just send a Tomahawk in.
Do you idiots even realize who controls the Straights of Hormuz where 40 percent of the world's oil travels through?
Ha ha ha. Keep talking, you morons. Keep talking. See who's crying when gasoline in the US is $5.00 at the pump!
And, speaking of Jimmy Carter, the Iranian revolution was a REACTION to US foreign policy based on the CIA backed coup to overthrough the democratically elected govt and install a ruthless dictator, ie, the 'Shah'. Please, stop the ignorance already.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The fact of the matter is that Iran is testing how far they can push the respective govt.s before they esculate the situation themselves. Iran wont go head to head with the royal navy, anyone remeber the uss cole incident? the Iranians lost a frigate. there is no way they will risk war yet.
however, this could be the ideal excuse for war, for example Hitler an the Rhineland, Iran and the al shat arab waterway.
I think Iran needs to stop making trouble in the mid east by funding and training all the terrorist groups, taking hostages, and attempting to build a nucleur bomb. Someone needs to step up and stop them.
The problem is all the European countries except England are too scared to doing anything but they need to understand that Iran could possibly reach them with a missile...Let them built and you will see
Please people,
for once stop blaming everything that happens in the Middle East on the Americans....The Persians have deffinitly overstepped their borders on purpose and are looking to instigate something far worse....If the best you can say is that USA should release prisoners, then I think the USA and UK would have a better chance at rescuing the soldiers by force than by diplomacy.
aKudoos for USA standing by UK
Tin Plated Armchair Generals .. roll up! .. roll up! .. 10 a penny!
How short peoples memory is .. the Yanks are in a blue funk .. crapping themselves .. that explains the the braggart spittle spraying Rambo's that have posted in this thread .. corner a mongrel dog and they snap and yap.
One would have expected a more reasoned approach by the British Slaves .. after all they have the example and lessons of Ulster and the British Military Intelligence meddling there to go by. This in case they need a reminder of a dirty and shameful Colonial past.
The paranoid yanks have set a lot of precedents such as the taking of Iranian diplomatic staff in Iraq .. the slavish arse licking Brits are gonna find it a little harder to spring their mates from an Iranian jail .. much harder then sending APC's and battle tanks to demolish an Iraqi police station to spring two undercover SAS men.
In case perfidious Albion has forgotten .. the two criminals were caught close to an Iraqi market in a car rigged as a mobile bomb .. with dyed hair and dressed as Arabs .. just as they did in Ulster with the Orange Men and the Catholics. Sectarian violence and suicide bombers .. Give me a break!!
Persia was civilized whilst our ancestors were running around daubed in woad and wearing wolf skin cod pieces. Iran has done nothing wrong .. yet probably the most evil regime on the planet .. Zionist Israel is an illegal nuclear power with an alleged 200 plus nuclear bombs. Where is the sanctions against them?
Israel and America have threatened to use nuclear weapons against a non nuclear power .. it is not hard to see who the real terrorists are. The sell out traitor Blair has led us down a road of impending destruction .. The war criminals from the Axis of evil must be dragged in chains if necessary to the International Court to face charges of War Crimes and crimes against humanity .. Bush Blair Olmert et al.
Amadina-gihad,(yes I know I spelled it wrong, its called a play on words, a pun)
Please ditch the members only windbreaker, strap a bomb to your chest and become a suicide bomber/hero. That would make everyone happier.
Osama,
Please see above request, and put your beliefs where your mouth is.
One question that I have is if you continue suicide bombing and the majority of the people killed are your own countrymen, what is going to happen when thier are no more men, woman, and children left in the country?
Dear Iranians, all of you and your families who do not agree with Amadina-gihad, please request boxes and newspaper, pack your house up and move out of the country.
All citizens who stand up for suicide bombings agree with that little midget, please move to Tehran. In the US we have a welcoming group called Welcome-Wagon. They would like to drop you a gift for everyone to share.
One universal parking lot complete with free-gasoline and a small parking fee coming up. Maybe a future place for a Universal Studios, Disney World, Waterpark? It could work.
Abdulla - get stuffed.
Why didn't the captain of our Warship protect his crew? He must have been aware of an approaching force. He should be court marshalled for dereliction of duty. I expect it was something to do with Iranian Human Rights and the Health and Safety at Work Act! Our country is run by a bunch of gutless tossers. When Iran kidnapped some Russians they were told to release them immediatelly or their country would cease to exist. Guess what happened....!
We have Trident. Let's see what happens if we threaten Iran with a few.
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