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Mar 23, 2007, 19:27 GMT
Bush promises to veto Iraq bill with withdrawal deadline (Extra)
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WIN? WIN?? How are we supposed to win? We are merely policing a religious civil war in a country whose people don't want us there. I think the Dems at least have the balls to say 'OK Iraq, we want to win and the way to do that is by getting you off your lazy azz so you can take care of your own country.' If they can't commit to this goal, absolutely we should leave.
Umm dave the majority didnt vote bush in initially but the electoral college did. Maybe you should check your facts before you say anything else stupid....THANKS!!!
Dear 'Well 'dan''
I can assure you that I'm perfectly capable of keeping me and mine 'safe and secure,' though I don't worry about it like you right-wingers...
dan
Dan, your regurgitation of the same, tired, nonsensical 'go enlist, then' leftist party line is not only wrong, but laughable.
Let me ask, do you agree with those fighting our presence in Iraq?
If so, why don't you fly over there and enlist in thier cause?
Do you support abortion rights?
If so, have you murdered your own children?
Do you support gay marriage?
If so, when can I expect my invitation to your same-sex wedding?
Dan - Since when did you have to be a soldier to have an opinion? Your comments are pointless and obnoxious.
The war is a mess... I don't think many would argue with that, but leaving Iraq now or in 2008 would harldly improve the situation. We need to give the new strategy of more troops time or come up with a better plan to strengthen Iraq, but a cut and run strategy is the worst possible suggestion. If we left, the situation would deteriorate into a mess that would only help the terrorists.
Jorge and Dan:
'Supporting the troops' does not mean enlisting. Not by a long shot. I'm amazed you can even suggest such a thing. Most likely, dan, you are just trolling anyway.
'I can assure you that I'm perfectly capable of keeping me and mine 'safe and secure,' though I don't worry about it like you right-wingers...'
I can assure you that you are a complete pussy. Get the hell out of my country and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
I served during the first Gulf war.
The UN would not let us go to take out Saddam.
We could only kick him out of Kuwait.
Iraq had tanks two miles inside of Saudi Arabia that had outrun supply lines.
The US does have nations in the area that want us there.
Planners felt troops would be there at least two years.
Signing up now to serve won't end this war, cutting off the funding to the insurgents will end it.
Bush was elected twice whether you believe it or not.
I didn't vote for him the first time
The Majority rules in this country.
Face facts
'supporting the troops' certainly doesn't mean enlisting if you're a 'college republican,' does it?
dan
I don't care do discuss the technical aspects of the election or to recount the Florida ballots again. I just hope some Arab kills a member of your family or cuts his head off on a video published on the internet.
Unfortunately the American public is devoid of logic. WE CANNOT WIN THIS WAR! WHY? because it is in Iraq! All the adversary has to do is maintain guerilla activities ad infinitum! We will go broke trying to snuff out a million little fires and the result will be that future generations and part of this present one will be virtual indentured servants. Sooner or later our debts will exceed the tax revenues and we will SOL. This is a stupid war and unfortunately the 'Stupid' are being taxed. CHECK YOUR WALLET!
You American people have no idea how well entrenched the Qaeda in Iraq now. Even if you run away now, they will come after you wherever you are, even in the heart of the US. This is why it is so wrong to give up the fight now.
Mission accomplished... that's what the Prince of Slease said to the American public on that aircraft carrier. You better believe it. OPEC and the US were trying to shut down Saddam's uncontrolled flow of oil to the world, and the genocidal invasion did that, and oil prices went up 300%. No thought was ever given to freedom, liberty and democracy in Iraq-- everything you hear and read in the media is just bull, designed to red herring the American voting public. Iraq oil is shut down and is going to stay that way until corporate America controls the region.
Quiting the war may be our only option. Just because we want things to turn out doesn't mean they will. Look to Vietnam for an example. We've already spent more on the war and been in it longer the WWII. We are no barely closer to stability today then 4 years ago. We could be there another 10 years and not be any further along. If the majority of their population doesn't want us there, how can we help them. Bush fires at the Democratic congress and press for not taking his viewpoint, but they are utilizing the only tools available to them to try to check and balance a presidency that has FAR too much power. Whether the president is Republican, Democratic or other, that branch currently has too much power. One man is basically going against all the fiscal responsibility usually associated to his party.
So philly daveMar 23rd, 2007 - 20:03:52
It took 50 years to settle European wars.
This bill was a total waste of taxpayer money.
The Democrats bribed their own party members with money to get these votes.
They don't have a world view of their own, or any new ideas going forward.
We need to leave Iraq slowly once the goverment is strong enough.
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You do realize you just spelled out Republican talking points for the last 4 years right?
I mean you didn't insert anything remotely original - you just repeated their talking points. Are you even thinking, or are you just regurgitating what Fox News tells you?
Now then - since you say 'democrats have no plan'
Lemee tell ya what our plan is - we do have one.
Our *plan* is to /get the hell out of the middle of a civil war/. That's the plan. We should never have *BEEN* there but for Bush's lies.
We were lied to about WMDs.
So they said 'We're making Iraq safer!' - Except we've made more terrorists, making us AND Iraq less safe. (That's according to our National Intelligence Estimate - ya know, the 16 biggest intelligence agencies in our country. Ie: Not 'think tanks' - but places like the CIA and FBI and NSA.)
So when that didn't work out it was 'We're fighting for democracy in Iraq!' - Except the elections they had were hardly democractic. The candidates were mostly kept secret for fear of attack. Also - people were forced to vote in order to get *FOOD*. So again - hardly a democratic election.
Lets see... 3,200 dead Americans, 500,000+ Iraqis, 2.5 *million* displaced Iraqis, How many trillions of dollars spent?
Oh, and who's actually *winning* in this war? Halliburton. That's who.
If a Democratic president had started a war like this on dubious grounds to aid corporate allies - there'd be a crap flying on *both* sides of the aisle, and you know it.
Democrats have a plan - get us the heck out of Iraq - and that's the right plan.
Oh - I'll add:
If you say one word about 'micromanaging the war' - think real hard about this first:
George Bush has ignored advice from his generals and intelligence services because he has an agenda. He's ignored them repeatedly, and consistently, and he's fired several (General Shinseki for example, who said going into this thing 'We need at least 350,000 troops'. If we'd gone in with that number *maybe* this mess would have been 'OK' in the end. But we didn't, and now its way the hell too late.
Finally - if you really support the troops (I doubt it) - think OF the troops.
Many of them are on their third and sometimes fourth tours of duty. That's *years* of life in a combat zone. Keep in mind how much worse that is than Vietnam, in a situation every bit as difficult and dangerous. Imagine the strain on their families. Imagine the bills that pile up on these people too - when vets come home it's not uncommon for them to *LOSE* their home.
That's right - our country has been treating its soldiers like dirt this entire time; while asking them to fight a war based on lies.
But if you really, truely, absolutely must support the war: Get a flak jacket, you got work to do. Seriously - unless you're over 40, you can get our bum out there with a rifle. And if you're over 40? I'm sure there's a use for truck drivers or something else.
If you absolutely HAVE to support the war for whatever crazy reasons you have - you need to *get your butt out there* - because most of the troops /don't/ anymore.
Jorge ,dig your head out of the sand pile,oh I am sorry ,first we need to remove all the WMDs( Oh I am sorry ,there were no WMDs ) and dead american soldiers, so you can get a clear view of what the 'right' has done to this country,Failure after Failure! Yeah Jorge you are on the right track Or is that CRACK !
We've had four years of Bush's irresponsible highly politicized wartime leadership: tax cuts and culture wars at home, runaway domestic spending, supplemental spending requests for funding the war, lack of planning and preparation and demonizing anyone who questions Bush's policy. Please, spare me the line about supporting our troops. If Bush had listened to our military commanders prior to invading, we would have sent more troops initially and the strife we see now may have been avoided. No American wants to loose the war against terrorism or leave Iraq a broken state, but Bush et. al. have lost all credibility at home and abroad. Fix that problem and maybe we can find the resolve to see Iraq through at least until it can stand up alone.
51% was never a mandate.
I'm sickened reading all these comments from people who do not seem to have the knowledge to make the rash accusations they make.
Bush is president. We elected him. He may not have made every decision you or I would have, but, he has a lot more inside information than most of us.
He's not working for his 'dad', he's working for America. I respect him.
i wish all you stop fighting about democrat or republican, and try to talk sense out of the current situation.
i did not support this war, but now i am not sure that withdrawel is the only solution.
and for those who say that to support the troops i need to enrol, please spare that thought....i am not interested in getting slaughtered in a foreign country....for some oil corporations.
In other words i do not believe that Iraq was a threat to our security or freedom, so why should i go and fight them?
Our mighty military is so weak we can't take a county the size of California.
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