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By Anna Tomforde Feb 21, 2007, 13:51 GMT
ANALYSIS: Blair's pull-out plan signals British endgame in Iraq
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Nice to see that the Neocons hold their supposed allies in such high regard.
The invaders owe the Iraqis the re-building of their country and their lives. Bush and Blair are war criminals and are responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 Iraqi citizens. They are much greater terrorists and threats to world peace than Bin Laden could ever hope to be. Harper and Howard also need to go.
The world is beyond the time when we can get away with waging wars to expand our empires. Its time for peace and unity to deal with the major global threats facing us all and stop this stupid 'us and them' mentality.
The absolutely moronic 'sipping tea' statement earlier demonstrates clearly that cultural ignorance exists across the atlantic, never mind between 'The West' and 'The East'. Surely this kind of bigotry needs to be combatted before we can ever try to dictate middle eastern policy. It saddens me as a British person to hear the 'chicken' accusation, when in reality it takes more courage to back off from a situation than to support the playground 'Bully'. Besides, does everyone seriously believe that allied troops should remain in Iraq indefinitely? Someone has to take their finger off the trigger.
Peace is not made with war; also, the Brits don't sit round sipping tea all day (the nation's drinking and social habits represent a much graver threat and I genuinely wished they did simply drink tea and read the paper all day long); and finally illiterate idiots who can't get their grammar right do NOT have freedom of speech with respect to a politically charged situation that is not as straightforward as it sounds.
Well done 'PissedOffAmerican', you've just managed to make your well-meaning, generally decent country mates look bad; I hope they feel uncomfortable enough to defend their position even more than they have already.
Idiot posters make me laugh.
' Surely this kind of bigotry needs to be combatted before we can ever try to dictate middle eastern policy. '
Surely there is no anti-American bigotry in the UK..... Surely this couldn't be a case of dishing it out and not being able to take it.
'when in reality it takes more courage to back off from a situation than to support the playground 'Bully'.'
Back off the situation? After you laid the foundations for it and then helped to create the latest round of fighting? That is somehow courageous? I guess your finest hour has passed. Who is this 'Bully' by the way?
'Peace is not made with war;'
You should have just rolled over when the Luftwaffe came I suppose.
'also, the Brits don't sit round sipping tea all day'
What do chavs drink?
' and finally illiterate idiots who can't get their grammar right do NOT have freedom of speech....'
'Combated' is spelled with one 't' Mr.literate.
' you've just managed to make your well-meaning, generally decent country mates look bad;'
As you have done regarding the sacrifice of your troops and ours.
You've absolutely misunderstood my entire statement. I am quite aware that the bigotry exists two-ways and in fact that is precisely what I meant. I hate war and violence and I deeply resent it when you say that 'you' laid the foundation for the badness in Iraq, as though you were referring to me as a person.
Perhaps you didn't read that I believe most americans are decent people who have no taste for a violent war. By taking a combative 'us versus you' stance you've demonstrated the exact bigotry I was talking about. Oh, and there's a huge difference between a typo and poor grammar.
I am NOT in any way anti-american; I am pro-people. You, on the other hand seem anti-british. The playground bully is Bush, and Blair is simply the 'lesser' bully who's finally come to his senses. You should take a leaf from his book. By the way, I mentioned the tea drinking thing to illustrate how stupid it was, yet you carried on an argument that I never created (!). Congratulations. Now you look as stupid as the ignorant idiot who wrote the tea thing in the first place.
' I hate war and violence and I deeply resent it when you say that 'you' laid the foundation for the badness in Iraq, as though you were referring to me as a person. '
The culture you live in has benefited from colonialism in Iraq like no other in the western world. The arbitrary Iraqi borders were drawn up in the back rooms of London parliament without regard to the people who happened to live there, the people who are now at each others throats. Indeed, Iraq, Afganastan, Israel...it could be argued that British influence laid the foundations for the current conflicts. (To be fair I think the region would be in more or less the same mess regardless of the UK, but when affixing responsibility it is unfair to lay it all at the feet of the bad 'ol yank.) So YOU, as an inhabitant of what was once the British empire, and You, the inhabitant of a country that provided us with the sexed up intelligence that confirmed out own sexed up intelligence and You, a member of a society that according to opinion polls was in favor of the Iraq war at the time of invasion have more of a responsibility to stick around and clean up this miserable 'badness' that WE are stuck in.
' By taking a combative 'us versus you' stance you've demonstrated the exact bigotry I was talking about. '
Again, Is there any anti-American bigotry in the UK? Even in your superior tone?
'Oh, and there's a huge difference between a typo and poor grammar.'
People in glass houses shouldn't be sanctimonious.
'You, on the other hand seem anti-british[sic].'
I wont trot out all my 'pro British' credentials here, but you are incorrect. I will say that I have seen a wave of anti-American hysteria there that I find sickening and unfair. A quick look at the Guardian or the effluence masquerading as reporting on the BBC is enough to turn any Atlanticist against the 'special relationship'.
'The playground bully is Bush, and Blair is simply the 'lesser' bully who's finally come to his senses. '
Again, you say 'come to his senses' as if that is what leaving your allies in the lurch with a problem that you (The UK) helped to create is sensible. Whatever you think of the reasoning behind our involvement in Iraq we are most certainly there. To abandon the mission and claim that you (The UK) had no role in it's inception isn't 'sensible'. There is another word for it...
'I mentioned the tea drinking thing to illustrate how stupid it was, yet you carried on an argument that I never created (!).'
I continued the metaphor to illustrate that the smug proclamation: 'The absolutely moronic 'sipping tea' statement earlier demonstrates clearly that cultural ignorance exists across the atlantic,'[sic] can go both ways. 'Cultural ignorance' isn't the sole domain of barbaric, coffee drinking yanks... You have shown yours about us, the Iraqis and even your own culture here.
FYI...... '' the word'' combated is also spelled'' combatted... check ask.com
Brave sir Tony ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Tony turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
****Bravely**** taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Tony!
'FYI...... '' the word'' combated is also spelled'' combatted...'
How many 't's in Moonbat? ;-D
Of course I am devastated by the numbers of people who have died in Iraq. But it's not a question of being culpable...it's a question of putting the situation right,' he argued.
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And I can't help but wonder now Willie McBride
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you the cause?
Did you really believe them that this war would end war?
The suffering, the sorrow, some the glory, the shame -
The killing and dying - it was all done in vain.
For Willie McBride, it's all happened again
And again, and again, and again, and again.
Did they beat the drum slowly?
did they sound the pipe lowly?
Did the rifles fire o'er ye as they lowered you down?
Did the bugle sing 'The Last Post' in chorus?
Did the pipes play 'The Flowers o' the Forest'?
The lament is called the Green Fields of France and was written by Eric Bogle.
Michael: You mention a war that you only got involved in because you got attacked? Good example mate
'The lament is called the Green Fields of France...'
That was written back when the UK finished the jobs it started.
No comments on B-lairs weasel words?
Did you guys know that Blair pulled out 200 troops from iraq but there are 200 troop sgoing into afghanistan. You damn liberal brainwashed retards cant figure that into your scope or what? Maybe they figured rightly that the 200 troops can do more good right now in afghanistan but the liberal media will not even report that. All you people that posted here didnt say anything either. So 200 from irag 200 into afghanistan dosent make me think less of england one bit.
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