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Dec 28, 2007, 7:55 GMT
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Oh, my what a wonderful thing religion is! Isn't faith beautiful? I have half a mind to build a shrine to Athena in my front yard--No I don't! I live in Texas for crying out loud. How could I claim to worship Athena and do something so abominably stupid?
Sorry, Old Girl, I'll just have to keep right on living by the cold light of reason. The fires of faith seem to be a bit TOO warm here of late.
Religion is the greatest cause of evil and violence on the planet. I think it's funny how the Christians started it by burning the Hindu homes. So much for 'good christians' huh? They're second only to muslims and other extremists. (is there really any difference though?)
Not that I can discern.
I am so sure Christians are the biggest threat to India and the world.
Muslims are just great.
Muslims are the people today blowing up trains, Hindu temples, forcing Hindu women to marry muslims at gunpoint, and rioting against people who just tell the truth about islam in books and now you defectives insult Christians.
You dont even know the whole story here so stop being so predictably quick to insult Christians here.
If you knew anything about the history of islime in India you would not write this crap.
These people are not Hindus. These people are Krishna worshipers.
Krishna was formed based on the ancient Persian god Mithra!!! watch zeitgeistmovie.com to understand the scam!!
Actually both religions are based on the same lies.
RE:'I am so sure Christians are the biggest threat to India and the world.
Muslims are just great. Muslims are the people today blowing up trains, Hindu temples, forcing Hindu women to marry muslims at gunpoint, and rioting against people who just tell the truth about islam in books and now you defectives insult Christians. You dont even know the whole story here so stop being so predictably quick to insult Christians here. If you knew anything about the history of islime in India you would not write this crap.'
Christians have behaved badly against people of other religions repeatedly. They are STILL very much inclined to behave that way today. There are no exceptions among the religions. Believers in every last one of them have caused trouble on a large scale at one time or another. And, yes, I have noticed that Islam appears to be exceptionally bad every where found, but that does not make the other religions any better. Bad is bad. Faith is bad. It leads people to do stupid, irrational things for no sensible reason.
I do not ordinarily go out of my way to say these kinds of things, because I know it will annoy or alarm or embarrass every believer of any religion anywhere, but the madness has gotten out of hand. Do any of you have any shame? Do any of you really believe in doing what your religions say you should do? Apparently, the believers in Islam really and truly believe. They are acting on their beliefs.
Not that the Muslims are free of hypocrisy, they cry about the Crusades, forgetting that the Crusades were a response to Islamic Jihad. They cry about intrusions on 'Sacred Muslim Soil' forgetting that much of that 'Sacred Soil' belonged to Christians, Jews and Pagans before it was taken from them by Muslims wielding swords.
There is more than enough idiocy and hypocrisy to go around here. I cannot see any of it as being truly 'sacred'. What kind of God or Gods would have these kinds of followers? Wouldn't he or They be smart enough to provide a bit of unequivocal and very clear guidance that no one could ignore? Why force people to endure all the conflict and misery?
There is no God. There are no gods, demons, angels, spooks, spirks or even a Harry Potter. IT IS ALL FICTION.
When you rule you life with fiction you get into trouble. When you rule you country based on fiction you get into serious trouble. It really is that simple.
Here is some of the truly serious trouble I am talking about:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ORC4H1EWO0BWBQFIQMFCFF4A VCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2008/01/20/nsharia_120.xml
Headline:'We want to offer sharia law to Britain'
Er, doesn't Britain already have a body of law? As I recall, British common law and American common law have the same roots. Why should we replace them with Sharia Law? Because you, came here and want to practice Islam? We are to accept your word as the word of some non-existent god?
Go home!
The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah are many. Indeed, Massey finds over 100 similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Graves, who includes the various noncanonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was 'Christna,' which reveals its relation to ''Christ.' It should also be noted that, like the Jewish godman, many people have believed in a historical, carnalized Krishna.
Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ('Divine One')
His father was a carpenter.
His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.
He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
He was of royal descent.
He was baptized in the River Ganges.
He worked miracles and wonders.
He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.
Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
'He lived poor and he loved the poor.'
He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Krishna is called the 'Shepherd God' and 'Lord of lords,' and was considered 'the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word.'
He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the 'Resurrection' and the 'way to the Father.'
He was considered the 'Beginning, the Middle and the End,' ('Alpha and Omega'), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
His disciples bestowed upon him the title 'Jezeus,' meaning 'pure essence.'
Krishna is to return to do battle with the 'Prince of Evil,' who will desolate the earth.
Jesus was made up and his identity stolen from Hindu religion.
Oh, so it is 'Krishna' we should all pay obeisance to, is it? Are we to act on this as an article of faith, or is the poster prepared to offer proof of this Krishna's existence?
The entirety of all religions is arbitrary assertion lacking one shred of evidence to support it. This means that all religions are equally valid. All religions depict humanity as little more than part of the terrain over which these 'gods' battle with 'demons'. None of them recognize the true nature of Man.
I reject the lot of them.
How can you honestly say there is no God when we live on the only planet in the universe that can sustain life?
Did you know that if our planet was just inches off balance that would mean death for all of us?
Something (earth) can not come from nothing. (evolution)
The same thing applies for our perfect distance from the sun so that all life would not freeze or burn.
You should have an issue with muslims and not God.
God is not responsible for the muslims acting as fools. They made their own choice and need to be battled into a victory. You should not condemn Christianity for your disappointments with life.
Your philosophy is the same as taking a disassembled watch into a shoebox, closing it, shaking it for sevral minutes, opening the box, and finding it perfectly assembled and operating.
There is overwhelming evidence for 'superior intelligence' and that is God.
You can reject it all day, but that wont change anything.
Tell God what you think on Judgment Day and see how far you get.
RE:'How can you honestly say there is no God when we live on the only planet in the universe that can sustain life?'
As usual, we are witness to the self-contradictory arguments that are always the favorites of religious people everywhere. Let us examine them thoroughly.
RE:'Did you know that if our planet was just inches off balance that would mean death for all of us?'
And this is proof of what, exactly? That God designed Earth? This planet is not off balance because the forces involved force it balance itself or fly apart. It did not fly apart, so he we are. The logic is completely circular and silly. We need not to have been here and in fact were not here when Earth was formed. Just as we were not present on any other planet during its formation. The fact that we humans are here to witness something proves absolutely nothing. A tree that falls where no living thing is near enough to hear still makes a sound. The sound is caused by the forces of the falling tree, not the ears of witnesses.
Further, if you DID have proof of God, proof of any kind, how could then claim to have faith? You could not.
RE:'Something (earth) can not come from nothing. (evolution)'
Ah, yes, 'LET THEIR BE LIGHT!' To effectively make this claim you must go all the way back to the creation of the entire Universe. If God created the Universe, why did he populate it so poorly? Why does 'He' tell you that the Universe is mere 6,000 years old when we have overwhelming evidence that it far, far older than humanity?
RE:'The same thing applies for our perfect distance from the sun so that all life would not freeze or burn.'
And the same refutations are equally applicable, but the real stopper is that if you did indeed have proof of God, you would be deprived of your faith.
RE:'You should have an issue with Muslims and not God.'
I have no issues with God. It is impossible for me to have issues with a Being which does not exist. I have issues with religions of all stripes. Every last one of them encourages people to behave foolishly and indulge in evil.
RE:'God is not responsible for the Muslims acting as fools.'
Absolutely correct! Nor is Krishna responsible for the misbehavior of the Hari Krishna. The Hindu Pantheon is not responsible for the misbehavior of Hindus. Yahweh is not responsible for the misbehavior of Jews. Jehova is not responsible for the misbehavior of Christians. None of these Deities are responsible for any human good or human misbehavior because NONE OF THEM EXIST! They are ALL
They made their own choice and need to be battled into a victory. You should not condemn Christianity for your disappointments with life.
Your philosophy is the same as taking a disassembled watch into a shoebox, closing it, shaking it for sevral minutes, opening the box, and finding it perfectly assembled and operating.
There is overwhelming evidence for 'superior intelligence' and that is God.
You can reject it all day, but that wont change anything.
Tell God what you think on Judgment Day and see how far you get.
RE:'How can you honestly say there is no God when we live on the only planet in the universe that can sustain life?'
As usual, we are witness to the self-contradictory arguments that are always the favorites of religious people everywhere. Let us examine them thoroughly.
RE:'Did you know that if our planet was just inches off balance that would mean death for all of us?'
And this is proof of what, exactly? That God designed Earth? This planet is not off balance because the forces involved force it balance itself or fly apart. It did not fly apart, so he we are. The logic is completely circular and silly. We need not to have been here and in fact were not here when Earth was formed. Just as we were not present on any other planet during its formation. The fact that we humans are here to witness something proves absolutely nothing. A tree that falls where no living thing is near enough to hear still makes a sound. The sound is caused by the forces of the falling tree, not the ears of witnesses.
Further, if you DID have proof of God, proof of any kind, how could you then claim to have faith? You could not.
RE:'Something (earth) can not come from nothing. (evolution)'
Ah, yes, 'LET THEIR BE LIGHT!' To effectively make this claim you must go all the way back to the creation of the entire Universe. If God created the Universe, why did he populate it so poorly? Why does 'He' tell you that the Universe is mere 6,000 years old when we have overwhelming evidence that it is far, far older than humanity? Is God hiding the truth from you? Personally, with no evidence that even implies the need for a Deity, I have no reason to believe that there might even be a Deity. Every Deity I have ever read about that has or is worshiped by the followers of any religion is an arbitrary assertion lacking one iota of evidence to support the claims made about Their existence.
RE:'The same thing applies for our perfect distance from the sun so that all life would not freeze or burn.'
And the same refutations are equally applicable, but the real stopper is that if you did indeed have proof of God, you would be deprived of your faith. Oh, ye of little faith. Thou that claimest proof of the Almighty! Tempt not the Lord thy God!
RE:'You should have an issue with Muslims and not God.'
I have no issues with God. It is impossible for me to have issues with a Being which does not exist. I have issues with religions of all stripes. Every last one of them encourages people to behave foolishly and indulge in evil behavior. I have yet to find an exception in the history of any religion or religious group.
RE:'God is not responsible for the Muslims acting as fools.'
Absolutely correct! Nor is Krishna responsible for the misbehavior of the Hari Krishna. The Hindu Pantheon is not responsible for the misbehavior of Hindus. Yahweh is not responsible for the misbehavior of Jews. Jehova is not responsible for the misbehavior of Christians. Allah, is not responsible for the misbehavior of Muslims. None of these Deities are responsible for any human good or any human misbehavior because NONE OF THEM EXIST! They are ALL figments of human imagination.
RE:'They made their own choice and need to be battled into a victory. You should not condemn Christianity for your disappointments with life.'
And should this battle then be carried unto the Hindu, the Shinto and the Buddhists? Where will you deign to terminate this Holy Crusade of yours? When will the Sacred Jihad end? I am perfectly with my life for the most part, but I continually find myself caught in the crossfire between religious fanatics fighting over things that do not and cannot possibly exist. Religious people fight with one another, even though every last one of the 'Great' religions claim to foster peace and goodwill toward all men.
Let me tell you something, this is a pack of lies. I deal with the hostility of the religious, the kind of religion is irrelevant, every time someone learns that I am an atheist. Goodwill toward man? Fah! Goodwill toward men of the EXACT same religion, perhaps, so long as they do not stray from doctrine.
RE:'Your philosophy is the same as taking a disassembled watch into a shoebox, closing it, shaking it for sevral minutes, opening the box, and finding it perfectly assembled and operating.'
Believe me, you know NOTHING of my philosophy. I do not think you can even begin to understand it, not because your are stupid, but because you are a man of 'half-faith'. Yours is one of the greatest tragedies religions produce.
RE:'There is overwhelming evidence for 'superior intelligence' and that is God.'
Whither then thy faith? You claim to have 'proof', you therefore, are lacking in faith. You cannot have this both ways. You either believe, or you do NOT believe. Obviously, you do not really believe. You only half-believe and demand that I accept your rather badly flawed proofs.
RE:'You can reject it all day, but that wont change anything.'
Of a certainty, I will never change your mind.
RE:'Tell God what you think on Judgment Day and see how far you get.'
Oh, I once did that on a a daily basis for years. No lightning yet. Any time God wants me, I'm right here. He is supposed to know where I am all the time, right? He is supposed to know what is in my heart, right? He is so powerful that if he wanted me believe in him I would, right? But according to you and your cohorts, he wants me to have FAITH. Faith is the belief in things unseen and unknowable. Can you give me good reason to do such a foolish thing? No, you cannot for not even God can do it.
I do not have a problem with God, or any other Deity called by any other name. I cannot have a problem with any of Them because none of Them exist. I can, however, have a problem with the behavior repeatedly exhibited by religious people AND I DO!
And here is a bit of informative reading:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehova
Every jot and tittle? Somehow, I doubt it.
The relgions with the most blood on their hands is Islam, and Christianity.
Both of these religions were spread by the sword.
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