Czech President Klaus ready to debate Gore on climate change
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May 27, 2008, 21:18 GMT
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...about time.
He probably thinks his first name is Santa.
I've studied the arguments of those who oppose the reality of global warming, and their arguments are not credible. If you want to see clouded, one-sided, communist-style propaganda science, look no further than the bullcrap spewed forth by the naysayers. As for the freedom to destroy the only habitat of human beings, it would simply be very, very stupid to allow such freedom in the name of economics, capitalism, etc.
Hmm, let`s see, temperatures have fallen or flat lined since 1998 YET concentrations of co2 are up by almost 5% AlGore said that co2 drives temps. That`s a lie, co2 does not antedate temps. Co2 lags behind temps by as much as 800 years.Algore`s film is so bad that a UK Judge issued a ruling that schools would have to issue a warning of political partisan views contained therein.
The UN predicted a runaway + feedback loop. That prediction is FALSE.
Brahman says 'As for the freedom to destroy the only habitat of human beings, it would simply be very, very stupid to allow such freedom in the name of economics, capitalism, etc.'
Vaclav Klaus 1, Brahman 0.
Your facts might be correct when referring to non-human caused global warming periods of the past. What is happening now has never occurred before. Also the current increase in CO2 is nothing compared to what it will be after global warming effects take hold in the next century and release all the carbon at the bottom of the oceans and in the permafrost.
Yes indeed, shiva, I am saying stupidity should be illegal. As in, it would be stupid to destroy the climate humans require to live. As in, what is the worth of economic prosperity when everyone is dead. Besides I am just commenting, not presenting an argument to be scored. If you want facts, look them up yourself. Finally, compliance with green legistation doesn't restrict the freedom to seek economic prosperity. In fact it is just the opposite. In every example, the world over, going green has proved to be more fiscally responsible. It takes a real dullard with black, oil-soaked eyes to see it differently.
So Gore will not rise to exchange ideas with someone who is educated, can see his scam and has called his hand...THANK GOD Gore's days as an ELECTED official are over. I hope we survive his term as a SELF-APPOINTED (ANNOINTED?) official.
brahman sez:
“Also the current increase in CO2 is nothing compared to what it will be after global warming effects take hold in the next century…”
The models have failed to accurately predict the present plateau and cooling, but believe me come 2100 its going to be real bad.
What is the “normal” temperature of the earth?
Brahman sez:
'What is happening now has never occurred before.'
What happened in the past had also never occurred before. So your point is what exactly?
To all those nay sayers:
In the known history of the earth, we are the only known species to have burned oil, which, as even you know, contributes to global climate change. So even if we have only been doing it for little a while we are upsetting the balance. That's the issue with people like you, you think that 'I'm so small, how could I possibly effect this huge world', but what you don't see is that the world is balanced on a knife edge, and too much change can and will alter the balance.
Brahman says: I am saying stupidity should be illegal.
Brahman has read the arguments on anthropogenic global warming. Brahman has made his decision so there's no need for further debate.
Perhaps Brahman would like to establish some 'camps' for what he defines as 'stupid'?
Book him, Danno.
Ive read about Kalus a few times and he has become my hero. 'In every example, the world over, going green has proved to be more fiscally responsible.' - This is completely incorrect. It takes more money to recycle most goods than to produce new ones, yet recycling in my city is mandatory in the name of going green (I can actually be fined for throwing a glass bottle in my trash).
For perhaps the 10th time now we are breaking records for the warmest average temperatures for the month of may.same for other month average temperatures,etc,etc.Similar facts everywhere in the world .It takes only a few minutes to google the disappearing of glaciers,polar ice,eternal snow,etc,etc.Yet there will always be an idiot to say that average temperatures are lowering .Am I glad there is google,at least it is idiot-proof .Claus is an ignorant clown on his way out after the next elections .One more example of a population that deserves a better leader and will take care of that .Even in the USA there is not a sane mind denying climate change caused by mankind in the electoral campaign.Even McCain recognizes the problem .Whatever the retarded deniers say,things will have to change .At the current and future price of oil those changes will economically profit the majority of the population,roughly all those that consume petrol in their cars .Even car manufacturing plant are now preparing themselves to shift to the production electrical cars .They'll be cheaper and cleaner .Providing of course electricity is produced by ecological means,that shouldn't be too difficult,less than landing a satellite on Mars I'd say .
The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2 (Earth is 0.04%) yet the HIGH temperature in -30 C and a low of -80 C. Gore said its not about the sun but the C02 in the atmosphere. By his reasoning Mars should be on a little more hotter than Earth I would think.
Whether or not Global Warming is real or not we have to look at the facts. Information in Gores incovinient Truth is highly inaccurate and misleading. For example, Im sure many of you know by now that Gore reported on the declining population of Polar bears over the last 5 to 10 years. Following the placing of the polar bear on the endangered species list, it was revealed that Gores claims were indeed misleading if not false. The supposed decline of the Polar Bear population was during a 30 year high in polar bear population. Meaning the the population was simply balancing out. It was a natural decline after a temporary population high. Why twist the facts? Secondly, people seem to think that anyone pushing a global warming agenda is not out for money or fame but shearly to save the world and this is complete and utter BS. There is money to be made in supposed Green technology and the people pushing it are often using similar tactics to those in the oil industry. They lobby people in Washington to support them, and gain unprecedented support because of the scare tactics issued by these global warming supporters. Politicians then push the global warming agenda to the benefit of their own personal goals and even to the benefit of their pocket. I will repeat that I do not know for sure one way or the other if Global warming is a reality. But having to sift through all this false and misleading information is making it all the harder. Gore mislead people. Perhaps with good intentions, but he mislead people none the less. There is money in green technology and we cant forget that. Green tech companies have lots of money to make and they increase their profits the more they convince people that Global warming is occurring right now. So they profit off of scare tactics and false information. This must be understood before anyone can really begin to understand the whole Global warming debate. And lets not forget, we all thought the world was freezing over just 30 years ago. and a lot of similar debates and hysteria was occuring then as it is now. These are just things for people to keep in mind. Dont just believe something because people say they are defending the environment. Keep in mind that these Green Tech companies are out to profit like anyone else.
Nick,
Nice, objective answer.
It might be worth adding that Gore is now a consulting partner *lobbyist* for Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers – a green venture capital firm that completely depends on government backed green initiatives for success.
By the way, can anybody point to any instances where an increase in the average global temperature was actually bad for mankind? The only 2 global cooling periods I'm aware of during mankinds' existence are the last Ice Age and the mini ice age from the 14th-19th century. The global temperature went up considerably following these 2 occurances (without any input from mankind) and life got much, much better for all involved. Conservation is a positive thing, environmentalism is just religion for people who don't go to chuch and really, really want to tell other folks what to do...and then say it's for the common good...whether it's for the kids, the planet, the baby polar bears, etc. You just change around a few terms and Gore sounds just like Lenin.
//www.surfacestations.org/
So much for 'global warming' and anthropogenically induced climate change. The whole damned thing is most likely a data artifact exacerbated by economic and political opportunists.
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