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ObsereverJul 21st, 2007 - 19:17:54

'Schaueble said the federal anti-subversion unit BfV which he oversees would continue to monitor the Scientology organization'

'anti-subversion unit BfV', was that set up by Hitler? The Germans just can't let go of the old ways...

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DragonflyJul 21st, 2007 - 19:28:56

The fact that a religious organization makes money and does not subscribe to the commonly held idea that religions ought to be poor (and easier to squash as a result), is driving the status quo in Germany outrightly insane. The idea that an organization makes money and is therefore 'bad' is just patently stupid. It's their service and whether or not they actually help people that matters.

There is something terribly amiss in German government. Sounds to me like they are planning another Holocaust, while cloaking it in 'democracy'. Why don't they want any filming of the Bendlerblock? What are they doing in Germany that they don't want the world to know about?

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planning another Holocaust?Jul 21st, 2007 - 19:42:29

That's what is sounds like to you!?

Well then, I own a bridge in Manhattan you might be interested in buying.

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...Jul 21st, 2007 - 19:52:44

Yes Germany does not like Scientology.

In Germany, Scientology is classified as what it really is :

Not a church but a religious sect with structures comporable to organized crime and anti-democratic values.


Thats why they are watched and will hopefully banned sooner or later.

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DragonflyJul 21st, 2007 - 23:17:46

The heirarchy of organized crime is usually a hidden one, where a secret organization is what truly runs things.

The barking dog is usually guarding something... I would be interested in knowing who really runs the German government and what they're about. I'll bet Nazi ties would be found, as well as links to Neo Nazi organizations.


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DragonflyJul 21st, 2007 - 23:21:45

Or probably this 'anti-subversion' unit, is actually engaged in subversion and distortion of their democratic constitution.

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tonny from belgiumJul 21st, 2007 - 23:36:49

My guess is that Germany is not too keen in advocating as so called religion made up by a fluked science fiction writer who proudly proclaimed religion was the best way of making a lot of money and so invented his own personal religion featuring aliens,intergalactic battles and lots of money to be paid for salvation.All techniques of brainwash and money extortion are heavily used to isolate the devotees of this ridiculous cult .Exactly that is why it is met with the contempt it deserves in Europe .As it should be in the USA.Freedom of religion is not an alibi for conmen .

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SteveJul 22nd, 2007 - 12:10:02

The few bigots in the German government need to re-read their own history and what they propagandized against the Jews in the late 30's and early 40's. Make no mistake, this is a few dangerous zealots only, who can spread disinformation and lies through a knee jerk press.

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Dr. Donna ShannonJul 22nd, 2007 - 12:27:53

The German government has pegged Scientology for exactly what it is- a con game that strives to enslave all of us, after taking all the money. However, I urge you to boycott any movies made by Tom Cruise, or any Scientologist, as a large portion of any earnings goes toward the support of this evil cult.

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TerryeoJul 22nd, 2007 - 15:20:06

'Watching' Scientology is about the least productive thing a government could do. Every government who has, has lost money big time. The USA government 'Watched' Scientology for many years. Produced nothing. German is just astounded that a Church would defned itself, that's all. With 2 official Churches in Germany, The government offers choice and (nearly) requires complience, this attitude has changed very little in 60 years. Anything that doesn't comply get's watched. Besides which, even a pebble brain can see the entrenched religion / government relationship pays many salaries, garners many religious contributions, contributes to many political retirements.

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Anyone But HeberJul 22nd, 2007 - 21:31:55

Let me guess Dragon. You're a Scientologist.

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Anyone but HeberJul 22nd, 2007 - 21:41:52

To Steve and Dragonfly:

You are one or more Scientologists sent by the Scientology's Office of Special affairs. Your purpose is to lie, spin, and deflect any criticism of Scientology that appears here. I have bookmarked this article. Your attempt to 'handle' it by 'dead agenting' Germany, or by any other means, will not go unchallenged.

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DragonflyJul 24th, 2007 - 05:15:19

LOL! You are damned right I'm a Scientologist, wouldn't have it any other way. I'm sick to death of the lies you bullies spread about my religion. If there's anyone being paid around here, it's people like you who make such accusations.

It is my right to stand up for what I believe in, and I use that right, just like anyone else to whom justice and rights are important. The German government needs to be brought to justice for its discrimination, not just against my religion but against all minority religions that it has blacklisted and levied intolerance toward for the past several decades.

As we continue our forward progress and exposing German human rights violations for what they are, the German government eventually will be brought to justice, under the UN. Intolerance will have no safe haven with which to destroy lives with wreckless abandon.

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Anyone but HeberJul 29th, 2007 - 04:06:35

DragonflyJul 24th, 2007 - 05:15:19

Dragonfly wrote: LOL! You are damned right I'm a Scientologist, wouldn't have it any other way.

Really? Most of the 'handlers' nowadays hide their affiliation with your cult.

Dragonfly wrote:I'm sick to death of the lies you bullies spread about my religion. If there's anyone being paid around here, it's people like you who make such accusations.

ROLMAO. What 'lies; would those be? Do you think the BBC, Time Magazine, Germany, Arnie Lerma, 'A Piece of Blue Sky,' , xenu.net, Jesse Prince, ex-members in general, 60 Minutes, Rolling Stone are all lying and/or wrong? Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

Dragonfly wrote:It is my right to stand up for what I believe in, and I use that right, just like anyone else to whom justice and rights are important.

Fair enough, but I'm yet to meet an honest Scientologist on the net, and I've interacted with more than a few.

Dragonfly wrote:The German government needs to be brought to justice for its discrimination, not just against my religion but against all minority religions that it has blacklisted and levied intolerance toward for the past several decades.

The German government knows exactly what a dangerous cult looks like, and they act accordingly. Your cult should be monitored closely at all times, and in all places, not just Germany.

Dragonfly wrote:As we continue our forward progress and exposing German human rights violations for what they are,

Oh please, Germany has Scientology all figured out and you just can't deal with it. You need to do some honest research on this subject instead of pretending no one knows the truth except you.

Dragonfly wrote: the German government eventually will be brought to justice, under the UN. Intolerance will have no safe haven with which to destroy lives with wreckless abandon.

The UN is toothless, and I hope more follow in Germany's direction.

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