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Jun 2, 2007, 12:35 GMT
Putin says Russia "has to react" to US missile shield in Europe
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YOYO, aptly named, does at least (inadvertantly) bring up a point.
Those with the most nukes are the U.S. and Russia, by far. Under the MAD theory, neither would start a conflict with the other, since an ICBM flight time is 18 minutes, and retaliation would occur even faster than Bush's infamous 7 minute lag on 9/11.
The problem is proliferation - Israel has nukes, and therefore Iran feels the need - then would come the Saudis and others, who would feel they THEY needed them. Since terrorist groups have no morality, the more nukes you have spread around, the more opportunity for them to fall into terrorist hands.
Russia having warheads is no problem - they realize the consequences of using them. Seeing al Qaeda get even ONE, and then threatening Israel, is a far bigger problem. Israel has an actual COUNTRY to protect; but where do you retaliate against a worldwide terrorist organization? Where is it 'based'?
Fred Thompson just made a 'good vs. evil' speech, which I find totally disappointing - that attitude is what got Bush headed off in the wrong direction. I guess Thompson is after the 'good ol' boy' vote, and the right-wing, who loves this 'evil' talk, but never has the solution in terms of building an alliance to stand against it. Bush has made Europe and NATO second-team players (and the Euro nations themselves were also to blame), and we need a President who is not an isolationist (sorry, Pat Buchanan).
'Fred Thompson just made a 'good vs. evil' speech, which I find totally disappointing '
Of course you do, it is not what you want to hear. It is however essentially the truth.
' I guess Thompson is after the 'good ol' boy' vote, and the right-wing, who loves this 'evil' talk, '
I know, the left wing loves to call evil something other then what it is... News flash, the terrorists we are fighting are evil.
'Bush has made Europe and NATO second-team players (and the Euro nations themselves were also to blame)'
Glad you spared some blame for NATO. They were really good at taking, not so good at giving.
It's pretty remarkable how many American and British morons are spewing anti-Russian garbage around here...
US and NATO, they say, should be free to put any weapons on Russian borders, and Russia should never worry about it. It should just forget about its history of being constantly invaded from the West. And it should disregard growing aggressiveness and unpredictability of America.
Well, huge wake-up call is coming. Russia is not going to take it anymore. Wanna missiles? You'll get missiles. Instead of mythical Iranian nukes, you'll be targeted by very real Russian ones.
Seems like this latest American idiocy is one too many. The way it goes USA is one doomed country. 60 trillion dollars of liabilities - and these idiots are still playing stupid war games. Have patients taken over the asylum?
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'Fred Thompson just made a 'good vs. evil' speech, which I find totally disappointing ' - Of course you do, it is not what you want to hear. It is however essentially the truth.
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Just an over-simplification, to appeal to 'simple' minds. I see he has your attention.
People do not become terrorists, or commit suicide, by being 'born' evil - it takes motivation; and poverty, unemployment, lack of education, and the appeal of fundamentalism are the catalysts. Couching the debate as 'good vs. evil' is an appeal to those who don't take the time to consider how the world got to this state, and furthermore have no answers of their own, aside from treating those who disagree as flies to be swatted. Egomania is a powerful force, whether it's Cheney or the President of Iran, or Bush, with a history of alcoholism and reliance on his father's connections, rather than the native ability to get things done. Even Gingrich today called him 'essentially' a failure, and from Gingrich, that's telling. Gingrich is more concerned with the GOP losing ground than the state of the world, but at least he understands the failures - more than Bush's lackeys on chat boards do.
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Newt Gingrich described the Bush administration as dysfunctional and its unpopularity as hazardous to those in the Republican Party. 'The government is not functioning. It's not getting the job done,' said the former House speaker, who is considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination. 'Republicans need to confront this reality.'
Gingrich said in a broadcast interview he believes Bush 'means very, very well' but falls short when it comes to putting his goals in place and running the government. 'All you have to do is look at the examples I've given you today where the government simply fails,' said Gingrich, citing the administration's handling of the war in Iraq, its immigration policies and response to Hurricane Katrina.
Putin is pure genius. There is no hype or spin around this simple fact.
'People do not become terrorists, or commit suicide, by being 'born' evil -'
Here comes the excuse maker.
'and poverty, unemployment, lack of education,'
You are statistically dead wrong. Most are middle class background and have education. Bin Laden is wealthy, Al Zawahiri is a doctor. You are just dead wrong and it makes me sick that you are again making excuses for terrorists who want to separate your stupid head from your shoulders in order to take a swipe at your scapegoat. We are in a war with EVIL things, but you can't allow yourself to see that because of your Bush derangement.
Here is your 'motivation', they are exposed to a steady diet of monstrous propaganda from birth, this is what they are steadily fed:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXefcvXCM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-MnAYiEWk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB0SvMzKzg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_YjKRDNVE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul4UecZThH4
Just drag and drop the above into your browser.
It gets worse in their schools and worse in their mosques. Go ahead, blame that on your scapegoat.
No, it is not an oversimplification, the monsters who would do that to children are evil. The monsters who would fly aircraft full of human beings into buildings full of human beings are evil. The monsters who would fill gyms full of children and stet off bombs are evil. Despite your idiotic moral equivalence arguments to say otherwise there is no other word for it.
'. Even Gingrich today called him 'essentially' a failure, and from Gingrich, that's telling'
It is pathetic, the subject was terrorists.... You are a pathological head case. everything has to go back to your scapegoat.
'Newt Gingrich described the Bush administration as dysfunctional and its unpopularity as hazardous to those in the Republican Party. '
Look at the videos and try to blame that on Bush.
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You are statistically dead wrong. Most are middle class background and have education. Bin Laden is wealthy, Al Zawahiri is a doctor.
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Garbage. bin Laden was upset when U.S. troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia, which he considered holy ground - a result of the Saudis turning down bin Laden's offer to raise a Muslim army.
The vast majority of terrorists, aside from being influenced by a fundamentalist upbringing, have nothing to live for. They've been convinced that there's glory in sacrifice, and indeed, fundamentalist education can bring that belief about.
By 'lack of education' I mean things that the rest of us have learned, in terms of what's needed to earn a living, and to fulfill ourselves without blowing up strangers.
'Evil' is a convenient designation; but that misses the point that those very same people, given a different upbringing, could have turned out 'useful' to their society. There are plenty of moderates in Iran who would like to see a different leadership. The problem is not their President, but the mullahs who actually run the place. The fact is, those fundamentalists see Western values as 'evil', so both cannot be accurate. 'Evil' is a subjective notion, based on who's doing the name-calling. I reject it as your own simplistic banner-waving, in lieu of a real attempt to support the moderates who actually could bring about change.
Our presence in Iraq continues to influence those in Madrassahs who spawn the very terrorists that we should be concerned with. We should be seeing to an Iraqi government able to run the place, so that we can leave, but there's no sign of one. Causation matters; and at this point we appear more to be the problem, than the solution. The Iraqi's don't want us, but are stuck with us, to keep things from getting worse.
If that's the way your doctor treated your illness, you'd be suing for malpractice.
This is just about Russia trying to show it has some influence, they will see they have very little and will be slapped down like the little bitches they are, or they will actually start a nuclear war in another of their historical tantrums. They have been playing zero sum politics for a while now, they are stupid - this kind of behaviour lead to the fall of the USSR, lets look forward to breaking Russia up..
America thinks they own the world. When Russia had missiles on Cuba it was a different story and the Americans were not so happy about that but now it seems its ok to do the same thing next door to Russia?? I dont think so somehow!!!
Nice one Putin, someone has to stand up to Bush's bullying.
Ok seriously!......yes america is very strong!!! ok But the Russians are too!.......If America and Russia Go to War no one will win!...the reason i think that Putin is against the missle shields is because i believe that he wants to rebuild the soviet Union.....Im pretty sure the Military Excersise with China and Russia is a Plan for them to take over the World.....andlately if you look at the statisticsthe 3 super powers in the World are America Russia And China! if 2 join to fight one the its over....Yeah we are the most advanced but in history some of the most advanced nations got there ass kicked by rebels and other small nations......America was not the #1 super power in the world untill 1991.....Russia was #1....There for putin knows that if he establishes the old Russian Empire they will become #1 in no time because there population and production and all others would double...the reason why the Soviet Union collapsed was because the wrong people were in control and wanted more and they condensented themselves.Wars between our Countries will not have a victory for either side....instead it will resolt in the end of Civilization as we know it......and none of you are idiots because we all have our own voices and opinions.......lol im sure the day we get into it with aliens from another planet lol all this shit between us wont be here anymore!......the next thing youll know is being beside a Russian and killing other life forms for survival of Mankind lol.......
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